Marijuana

I'm just relaying it as he told it.

And Insane?  Hardly.  Marijuana isn't that strong.  Grip on reality isn't an issue more like an easiness about it.  Kinda like alcohol but with more cognitive function.  You feel good so things which you might not normally do also seem good.

You also get irritable when you can't smoke, just like most other drugs.

Oh sure they are, but it's still a High.  A different one, true, but why would you get high in the first place?  What?  are you going to seriously tell me that taking Marijuana, Cocaine, Speed, or Heroine doesn't make you feel good for a short time but with various side effects?  I mean, what's the point of doing any of it if it doesn't feel good?

And before we continue I want to say that I am biased against drugs.  VERY biased.

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Not only does it bring our general population's intelligence down when they hit the teen years BUT contrary to what you hear, Marijuana CAN lead to other, harder drugs in the same way that a pack of cigarettes a week can lead to 2 packs a day, and a few beers a week can lead to whiskey daily.

Fixed that for you.

Marijuana's reputation as a "gateway" drug is a myth, probably based on misleading statistics.

Not in my experience.
And besides, anything that screws with your neuro-transmitters can't be good.

Well, I can tell you from personal experience that I've never had any desire to move on to anything harder.

It seems like common sense to me that people who are willing to experiment with pot will be more likely to experiment with others.  I see no reason to think it's not due to their own more adventurous personalities than it is anything actually connected with smoking pot.

Honestly in this day and age when so many children are prescribed mind-altering drugs it's ludicrous that there's still this stigma against marijuana.  We live in a society where it's perfectly acceptable (hell, expected) to stone your kid with Ritalin if he's a little hyperactive (and I would argue it's the kids who aren't hyperactive who are abnormal) but it's still against the law to get high.  Do you think the chemicals prescribed by psychiatrists that people pump into their systems to alter their minds legally are any better than pot?  Or do you feel that everything that alters your brain chemistry must in itself be dangerous, and therefore outlawed?

Or maybe you feel that the neuro-transmitters are more precious than other parts of the brain, and therefore only drugs that alter them specifically should be outlawed?

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Oh and it can cause you to puke then sleep in said pile of puke all without realizing it. (happened to my brother... twice)

I flat-out don't believe that marijuana caused any such reaction in your brother.  I've been surrounded by the stuff and people who smoke the stuff my whole life and I've never seen such a reaction from marijuana.  You seem to think that people temporarily go insane from smoking weed (and perhaps even permanently to some degree) and that's laughable, to say the least. 

One thing marijuana categorically does not do is cause you to lose your grip on reality.  It might have some mild hallucinogenic effects but it's not comparable to the loss of ego that accompanies an acid trip.

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In all 4 cases each drug creates a very specific effect.  Nicotine for general relaxation, alcohol to stop thinking, caffeine to get hyper, and marijuana to get "high" which is a feel good, brain-dead, light hallucinogenic feeling.
In each case, tolerances causes the user to increase their dosage.  However unlike alcohol, caffeine, or nicotine, there is no general substitute when the tolerance becomes too high for even a high dosage.  Some try, like for caffeine you have Red Bull and those high sugar/caffeine energy drinks but in the end, the body will get used to it.  And nicotine is more of a physical addiction, meaning there is no substitute. 
However, with Marijuana there is.  Want a better high?  Weed not doing it for you anymore?  Try Crack.  Or Speed.  Or Heroine.  They all give you a "high".

So yes, normally you're right in that you just increase the dosage.  With Marijuana, there is a substitute.

That's utterly ridiculous.  The difference between the high you get from any of those drugs and that you get from marijuana is as different as the highs from all of those initial drugs you mention.  For someone so opinionated about drugs you seem to have a poor understanding of their effects.

Or maybe you're just trolling.  I think I smell it, a little bit.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 29, 2010, 08:36:24 PM

Oh sure they are, but it's still a High.  A different one, true, but why would you get high in the first place?  What?  are you going to seriously tell me that taking Marijuana, Cocaine, Speed, or Heroine doesn't make you feel good for a short time but with various side effects?  I mean, what's the point of doing any of it if it doesn't feel good?

That's my point exactly.  Every drug you mentioned makes you feel good, for a short time, and with various side effects to boot.  You were implying that the high you get from pot is the same as the high you get from crack, except not as potent, and... that's laughable.

Did I just really witness Dann Being serious on the subject. I think I'm in shock.
I loved every bit of it dann

I hate drug conversations, because so much misinformation and "personal experience in dealing with some guy i knew who told me about a guy that told him about someone" gets thrown around.

If you haven't spent time around pot smokers, or drug users, and you haven't done a controlled study, and ou have no reliable source that isn't a govt. funded anti-drug website, or other biased group... you really don't have much credibility. The same goes for the pro-drug side. If you are a junkie, and you can't live without your fix... then gtfo.

Now, people who are functioning members of society, who have used drugs in moderation, can pass them up when it isn't appropriate to use them (inb4 its never appropriate because it is illegal) and have witnessed their effects... then come on, sit down, and we can have a talk.

Personally, from what i have witnessed as an on again off again (now off for the last couple years) pot smoker, and hanging aroudn with a  group of people who have smoked since forever... i can say with as much credibility as anyone ehre, that the people you would expect to abuse other drugs did, but the majority stuck to drinking and smoking a bit of weed. Now, i will be the first to admit, none of them are a great value to society, and none of them could ever e accused of changing the world... but they aren't on welfare, are employed (barring economic reasons beyond their control) and are decent people. No cocaine, heroin, crack, meth. Some vicodin abuse (i blame doctors being fucking tools partially)

That is my piece on marijuana. It isn't for everyone, but it certainly isnt for no one.

On the other note... People are going to start smoking when they start smoking. Depending on how the kid is getting the drugs... i have a huge problem, or a medium sized problem. I understand how drugs get sold and resold. Everyone does. It happens. They fall into the wrong hands. but if some 18-20 something douche is selling to a kid he knows is that young, i have a giant problem.

furthermore, is it REALLY that hard to tell when a kid is high? Fucking parents!

I don't think kids should be smoking, about 16-18 is probably an appropriate age

there are some exceptions (not saying it doesn't have an influence at all)

Yeah after school is probably best, but you can finish school at 16 here (but only retarts do that). I'd still rather my kids were smoking than drinking at that age cos drinking definitely affected my schoolwork.

Discussing the effects or health risks of the drug, as well as any moral objections, is irrelevant.  The only relevant question is what gives anybody the right to tell somebody else what they can or cannot put in their own nforcement,body?

Even if you believe the government does have the right to decide that, lets look at the result.  The U.S. has one of the toughest domestic policies on marijuana in the world, yet we are still by far the number one consumer of that drug.  In other words, tough laws has not made the intended impact on marijuana use at all, it continues to grow.  As a result on our stance on drugs as a whole, we have the largest percentage of our population in prison than any other country (how does a free country imprison the highest percentace of its population?).

The war on drugs has cost this country billions of dollars in law e imprisionment, and foreign conflicts, and arguably thousands of lives as a result of the black market that sprung up around the restrictions.  All of that, with no results to speak of.  We live in a mainly capatalist society, in such a society it is pointless and impossible to effectively ban any kind of commerce for this reason:  If there is a demand for a product or service, there will be a supply to meet it.  You would think we would have learned that lesson after prohibition.

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Me and everyone I know have never moved on to any other drugs.

I quit Marijuana 4 months ago. The weed smokers I know hate other drugs and would never touch them.

I'm sure this is the same with the majority of weed smokers, maybe a minority move onto other drugs.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you and your friends?
Oh and Congrats on giving up the habit.

furthermore, is it REALLY that hard to tell when a kid is high? Fucking parents!

It is hard when the parents have never experienced it before. I think it is good to experience marijuana just so you know when your kid walks into the house high.

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It is hard when the parents have never experienced it before. I think it is good to experience marijuana just so you know when your kid walks into the house high.

Sorry, i don't buy that. If your kid starts acting weird, get suspicious and ask questions. you do NOT act the same high as when you are sober.

if he is withdrawn and sits in his room yes you are a shitty parent but he probably isnt smoking pot if he is sitting in his room all the time.

When you are high, you wouldn't really act weird. Usually you would look a little drowsy and you can get away with that by either saying you are tired, wearing glasses or running straight into the bathroom. Most kids spray themselves with perfume and stick a mint or chewing gum into their mouth before they enter the house, so the smell won't give it away either. The drowsiness usually lasts for a few hours (depends on how strong the weed is) but with a quick shower or washing your face, you would be sober again or at least look sober.

It is pretty easy to get away with it when you have parents that have no experience of it.

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It is hard when the parents have never experienced it before. I think it is good to experience marijuana just so you know when your kid walks into the house high.

Sorry, i don't buy that. If your kid starts acting weird, get suspicious and ask questions. you do NOT act the same high as when you are sober.

When you are high, you wouldn't really act weird. Usually you would look a little drowsy and you can get away with that by either saying you are tired, wearing glasses or running straight into the bathroom. Most kids spray themselves with perfume and stick a mint or chewing gum into their mouth before they enter the house, so the smell won't give it away either. The drowsiness usually lasts for a few hours (depends on how strong the weed is) but with a quick shower or washing your face, you would be sober again or at least look sober.

It is pretty easy to get away with it when you have parents that have no experience of it.