Marijuana

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on June 30, 2010, 05:11:53 PM

Slightly off-topic but I just saw a guy shooting up speed (I'm assuming it was amphetamine not heroin cos heroin isn't very popular here and he was walking around with fast, slightly jerky movements afterwards) right in his kitchen window in the building opposite me.
I think I ought to send him a note telling him to put up curtains...

Also thats really not the kind of thing I'd expect to see in my neighbourhood

Meh.
My neighborhood used to be just as bad. Crack house next door and all.
Guy who owned the house across the street (he rented the bottom half out) died of an Overdose in his kitchen. 

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on June 30, 2010, 05:11:53 PM

Slightly off-topic but I just saw a guy shooting up speed (I'm assuming it was amphetamine not heroin cos heroin isn't very popular here and he was walking around with fast, slightly jerky movements afterwards) right in his kitchen window in the building opposite me.
I think I ought to send him a note telling him to put up curtains...

Also thats really not the kind of thing I'd expect to see in my neighbourhood

Meh.
My neighborhood used to be just as bad. Crack house next door and all.
Guy who owned the house across the street (he rented the bottom half out) died of an Overdose in his kitchen. 

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 05:27:44 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on June 30, 2010, 05:11:53 PM

Slightly off-topic but I just saw a guy shooting up speed (I'm assuming it was amphetamine not heroin cos heroin isn't very popular here and he was walking around with fast, slightly jerky movements afterwards) right in his kitchen window in the building opposite me.
I think I ought to send him a note telling him to put up curtains...

Also thats really not the kind of thing I'd expect to see in my neighbourhood

Meh.
My neighborhood used to be just as bad. Crack house next door and all.
Guy who owned the house across the street (he rented the bottom half out) died of an Overdose in his kitchen. 

The thing is my neighbourhood isn't bad at all. Its an expensive part of the city, lots of families and the elderly. You definitely don't expect to see it.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 05:27:44 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on June 30, 2010, 05:11:53 PM

Slightly off-topic but I just saw a guy shooting up speed (I'm assuming it was amphetamine not heroin cos heroin isn't very popular here and he was walking around with fast, slightly jerky movements afterwards) right in his kitchen window in the building opposite me.
I think I ought to send him a note telling him to put up curtains...

Also thats really not the kind of thing I'd expect to see in my neighbourhood

Meh.
My neighborhood used to be just as bad. Crack house next door and all.
Guy who owned the house across the street (he rented the bottom half out) died of an Overdose in his kitchen. 

Where are you from?

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 05:27:44 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on June 30, 2010, 05:11:53 PM

Slightly off-topic but I just saw a guy shooting up speed (I'm assuming it was amphetamine not heroin cos heroin isn't very popular here and he was walking around with fast, slightly jerky movements afterwards) right in his kitchen window in the building opposite me.
I think I ought to send him a note telling him to put up curtains...

Also thats really not the kind of thing I'd expect to see in my neighbourhood

Meh.
My neighborhood used to be just as bad. Crack house next door and all.
Guy who owned the house across the street (he rented the bottom half out) died of an Overdose in his kitchen.  

The thing is my neighbourhood isn't bad at all. Its an expensive part of the city, lots of families and the elderly. You definitely don't expect to see it.

At least I'm honest about it.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 05:12:18 PM

At least I'm honest about it.

I hate all black people. I'm being honest about it, does that make it justified?

Who said I was justified?
I just said I'm biased and a bigot.  My opinion is NOT JUSTIFIED.  I simply accept who I am.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 05:45:24 PM

Who said I was justified?
I just said I'm biased and a bigot.  My opinion is NOT JUSTIFIED.  I simply accept who I am.

So you just lost yourself the debate by admitting the flaw in your own opinion. Congratulations.

I thought I lost the debate when:
1) I showed my ignorance.
2) I admitted my biased.
3) I tried debating in a forum full of people who smoke Marijuana or used to.

Seriously, you're slow on the uptake.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 06:02:40 PM

I thought I lost the debate when:
1) I showed my ignorance.
2) I admitted my biased.
3) I tried debating in a forum full of people who smoke Marijuana or used to.

Seriously, you're slow on the uptake.

For the record, I've never smoked marijuana and never intend to, so you can't claim that as a reason why people argue for its legality.

Why would I generalize?  There's plenty of people who DO argue for it's legality because they smoke it and others who argue, as you do, for other reasons.

Hell, there are people who argue for keeping it illegal because they were personally hurt by it and others, like me, who are unjustifiably angry.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 06:47:47 PM

Why would I generalize?  There's plenty of people who DO argue for it's legality because they smoke it and others who argue, as you do, for other reasons.

Hell, there are people who argue for keeping it illegal because they were personally hurt by it and others, like me, who are unjustifiably angry.

I didn't mean that you were generalising that way, it's just that earlier in the thread someone (I think it was Mr Pseudonym) made a post along those lines, and I didn't know if that was what you meant by your third point or not.

Except Ben who said something about the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.  To paraphrase.

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on June 30, 2010, 05:31:30 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 05:27:44 PM

Quote from: Colonel Gaydafi on June 30, 2010, 05:11:53 PM

Slightly off-topic but I just saw a guy shooting up speed (I'm assuming it was amphetamine not heroin cos heroin isn't very popular here and he was walking around with fast, slightly jerky movements afterwards) right in his kitchen window in the building opposite me.
I think I ought to send him a note telling him to put up curtains...

Also thats really not the kind of thing I'd expect to see in my neighbourhood

Meh.
My neighborhood used to be just as bad. Crack house next door and all.
Guy who owned the house across the street (he rented the bottom half out) died of an Overdose in his kitchen. 

The thing is my neighbourhood isn't bad at all. Its an expensive part of the city, lots of families and the elderly. You definitely don't expect to see it.

The rich are the worst drug abusers.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 06:02:40 PM

I thought I lost the debate when:
1) I showed my ignorance.
2) I admitted my biased.
3) I tried debating in a forum full of people who smoke Marijuana or used to.

Seriously, you're slow on the uptake.

For the record, I've never smoked marijuana and never intend to, so you can't claim that as a reason why people argue for its legality.

Well sounds like I'm a minority in my opinion, extremely biased, and most likely ignorant.

But you know what?  I don't care.  I hate recreational drug users.  I hate recreational drugs.  And I find the idea that people need to alter their mind in order to relax when there's nothing else wrong with them pathetic.

Reminds me of "Brave New World".  And if that's where you all think we should go, then I might as well go out the same way John did.

Except Ben who said something about the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.  To paraphrase.

So we all agree. Dann is right, drugs are ok in moderation, and im bored with this thread.

Quote from: Parsifal on June 30, 2010, 06:19:13 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 06:02:40 PM

I thought I lost the debate when:
1) I showed my ignorance.
2) I admitted my biased.
3) I tried debating in a forum full of people who smoke Marijuana or used to.

Seriously, you're slow on the uptake.

For the record, I've never smoked marijuana and never intend to, so you can't claim that as a reason why people argue for its legality.

Why would I generalize?  There's plenty of people who DO argue for it's legality because they smoke it and others who argue, as you do, for other reasons.

Hell, there are people who argue for keeping it illegal because they were personally hurt by it and others, like me, who are unjustifiably angry.

Quote from: theonlydann on July 01, 2010, 03:44:59 AM

So we all agree. Dann is right, drugs are ok in moderation, and im bored with this thread.

blue footed booby

Quote from: Parsifal on June 28, 2010, 04:12:04 PM

Any drug being illegal is stupid. It's not the government's place to protect people from themselves.

That's why we have laws.  If people were smart enough to protect themselves, we wouldn't have to have a legal drinking limit, seatbelt laws, or even laws against polluting the environment.  The problem is that not only are people stupid BUT they have a tendency to hurt others when they act stupid.

To me, any drug that is not designed to heal you or help you in any way AND alters your brain chemistry should be illegal.  Yes that includes alcohol.
Not only does it bring our general population's intelligence down when they hit the teen years BUT contrary to what you hear, Marijuana does lead to other, harder drugs in the same way that a pack of cigarettes a week can lead to 2 packs a day, and a few beers a week can lead to whiskey daily.  Why?
Tolerance.  When your body has some form of drug, be it medical or not, in your body often, you get used to it; You build a tolerance.  The same effect that was harmless before now doesn't do it for you so you go after more.  Few people have the ability to avoid this.  Hell, this happens with caffeine too!

I grew up in the weed capital of my little, apple orchard area.  I sat next to the weed supplier (he grew it himself) for the whole town during 9th grade math. 
He burned down his barn while high. 
Next, the girl I had a crush on?  Weed.  Promised me she'd NEVER do speed.  What happens?  She started taking speed.  Ended up breaking and entering for drug money.  Last I heard she was in jail.
And when you're on an LSD trip, you can do some fucked up shit.  Unprotected sex, self-inflicted injuries, abuse, rape, and who knows what else.

When you're not yourself, you never know who you'll be.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 28, 2010, 06:11:15 PM

Quote from: Parsifal on June 28, 2010, 04:12:04 PM

Any drug being illegal is stupid. It's not the government's place to protect people from themselves.

That's why we have laws.  If people were smart enough to protect themselves, we wouldn't have to have a legal drinking limit, seatbelt laws, or even laws against polluting the environment.  The problem is that not only are people stupid BUT they have a tendency to hurt others when they act stupid.

To me, any drug that is not designed to heal you or help you in any way AND alters your brain chemistry should be illegal.  Yes that includes alcohol.
Not only does it bring our general population's intelligence down when they hit the teen years BUT contrary to what you hear, Marijuana does lead to other, harder drugs in the same way that a pack of cigarettes a week can lead to 2 packs a day, and a few beers a week can lead to whiskey daily.  Why?
Tolerance.  When your body has some form of drug, be it medical or not, in your body often, you get used to it; You build a tolerance.  The same effect that was harmless before now doesn't do it for you so you go after more.  Few people have the ability to avoid this.  Hell, this happens with caffeine too!

I grew up in the weed capital of my little, apple orchard area.  I sat next to the weed supplier (he grew it himself) for the whole town during 9th grade math. 
He burned down his barn while high. 
Next, the girl I had a crush on?  Weed.  Promised me she'd NEVER do speed.  What happens?  She started taking speed.  Ended up breaking and entering for drug money.  Last I heard she was in jail.
And when you're on an LSD trip, you can do some fucked up shit.  Unprotected sex, self-inflicted injuries, abuse, rape, and who knows what else.

When you're not yourself, you never know who you'll be.

Lol. You really are hilarious. Did you ever think the girl that you had a crush on tried pot for the same reasons she tried speed? And that she probably would have done speed even without pot?

As for being in a drug capital, my area has one of the worst heroin problems per capita in the U.S. and I can tell you something, I know hundreds of pot heads that won't touch a single drug other than pot, and I know people that won't touch pot but will put 200 dollars worth of pills up their nose while their kid starves.

Drugs ruin lives, pot does not.

Quote from: three-dimensional-world on July 01, 2010, 07:04:39 AM

Quote from: theonlydann on July 01, 2010, 03:44:59 AM

So we all agree. Dann is right, drugs are ok in moderation, and im bored with this thread.

blue footed booby

wat

Quote from: Lorddave on June 30, 2010, 06:56:25 PM

Except Ben who said something about the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.  To paraphrase.

Oh, I just got bored and decided to argue fascism. I'm not actually stupid enough to believe it.

Quote from: Lorddave on June 28, 2010, 06:11:15 PM

Quote from: Parsifal on June 28, 2010, 04:12:04 PM

Any drug being illegal is stupid. It's not the government's place to protect people from themselves.

That's why we have laws.  If people were smart enough to protect themselves, we wouldn't have to have a legal drinking limit, seatbelt laws, or even laws against polluting the environment.  The problem is that not only are people stupid BUT they have a tendency to hurt others when they act stupid.

To me, any drug that is not designed to heal you or help you in any way AND alters your brain chemistry should be illegal.  Yes that includes alcohol.
Not only does it bring our general population's intelligence down when they hit the teen years BUT contrary to what you hear, Marijuana does lead to other, harder drugs in the same way that a pack of cigarettes a week can lead to 2 packs a day, and a few beers a week can lead to whiskey daily.  Why?
Tolerance.  When your body has some form of drug, be it medical or not, in your body often, you get used to it; You build a tolerance.  The same effect that was harmless before now doesn't do it for you so you go after more.  Few people have the ability to avoid this.  Hell, this happens with caffeine too!

I grew up in the weed capital of my little, apple orchard area.  I sat next to the weed supplier (he grew it himself) for the whole town during 9th grade math. 
He burned down his barn while high. 
Next, the girl I had a crush on?  Weed.  Promised me she'd NEVER do speed.  What happens?  She started taking speed.  Ended up breaking and entering for drug money.  Last I heard she was in jail.
And when you're on an LSD trip, you can do some fucked up shit.  Unprotected sex, self-inflicted injuries, abuse, rape, and who knows what else.

When you're not yourself, you never know who you'll be.

Lol. You really are hilarious. Did you ever think the girl that you had a crush on tried pot for the same reasons she tried speed? And that she probably would have done speed even without pot?

As for being in a drug capital, my area has one of the worst heroin problems per capita in the U.S. and I can tell you something, I know hundreds of pot heads that won't touch a single drug other than pot, and I know people that won't touch pot but will put 200 dollars worth of pills up their nose while their kid starves.

Drugs ruin lives, pot does not.

Peer pressure is an excuse parents came up with so they could blame someone besides themselves for their kids being fucked up.