Why i DROPPED round earth!

ESA (pronounceed: EE-SA)-Earth shape agnostic (i just dont know)

here is a heavily edited (by friends so there will be no typing mistakes) essay I wrote on why i am an esa! Enjoy!

essay:

      I used to live in a content little world. A world where good and evil, right and wrong, were obvious. A world where modern scientists were heros, politicians were good, and, yes, the earth was most definitely round. All this changed in the past year and it felt like everything was going to come tumbling down! But I was strong and my own inner strength had me accept that all I had previously believed was incorrect. I realized we cannot definitively prove the shape of the earth because we need to first unmask the conspiracy. Some will call me insane. Yet I will tell me tale nonetheless and inform all of how I slowly rejected all of the above assumptions (except good and evil...im just more confused now...).
 
     I really did believe our politicians wanted the best for us...that they wanted to PROTECT America. Boy was I wrong. I once accidentally stumbled upon Alex Jones. He opened my eyes up to a new world...a dark world....a world where everything I knew was wrong! He talked about the NWO (NEw world order) which the skull and bones, illuminati, and other powerful groups and politicians in the USA got together. They were a shadow government. I later examined books and even videos of Bohemian Grove...where they met and had MOCK HUMAN SACRIFICES AND PRAYED TO A DEMONIC OWL GOD CALLED MOLOCH! IT was there on youtube! There were also reports of them having sex with men up there...even Richard Nixon admitted it in a video (also available on youtube for those of you who are interested!) I read about how the US was covering up ALOT...including its own citizens...

       I felt so confused....why oh why was the line between good and evil so blurred? All of my prejudices...I didn't want to believe it...but the evidence showed the NWO existed and was powerful! In this age of globularism it is so much easier for a shadow gov't to rule the world. Organizations like the UN were able to have many of the world's nations checked up on as most of them were in it. But even scarier was Barrack Obama....his election was clearly a fraud. He fought against weak opponents who did everything wrong...he wasn't even born in America and he had associated with terrorists and radicals like Bill Ayes and Jeremiah Wright. He was obviously a puppet of the NWO...groomed from a young age for this job.

        I came to this website, FES, in this state of mind. I admit I left some joke threads about my conversion to FE...but I wasn't serious. Yet I eventually became more intrigued by it. I was never a good typist. Yet the FE'ers were always tolerant and open-minded, politely telling me to watch my grammar while the RE'ers sneered and mocked me. They were also open-minded and tolerant of new ideas. So many come to this site to mock and ridicule rather than to listen. Why did RE'ers do this I asked? It was because they were like me. Scared of their world views....ingrained in them since childhood, being destroyed. When I lost my faith in our world leaders and realized they were part of the NWO I felt that way too.

       I believe that a massive conspiracy is possible. The NWO proves that! Their tentacles are everywhere! Credible sites like Rense.com, as well as individuals like ALex Jones and Mark Dice, have exposed them! All of the so called "evidence" for a RE could have been fabricated too, I thought. It was impossible to know. The only way we could know is by overthrowing the conspiracy by spreading word of its existence. I finally had lost faith in modern science's objectivity. If the NWO could fabricate everything we know about the universe they could maintain an amazing amount of control over the human race! The human race would develop as they wanted it too.

       I believe RE'ers have to open their minds.Don't be afraid of the unknown! I lost faith in the comforting world I had once known...but now i know that I have a duty to search for the truth and enlighten my fellow man. Research the New World Order...it could possibly be the face for the Flat earth conspiracy. I am not sure what shape the earth is but I do know that RE cannot be believed blindly. In a thread I made asking RE'ers why they believed most of them admitted they had been taught it from a young age. Could it be that they are being manipulated? Re may bethe truth and it might not be. BUt I implore my fellow RE human beings to not judge people for their grammar or beliefs but embrace a heaping helping of tolerance, inclusivity, and mutual love so we can discover the truth.
Thanks

ESA Gigamonsta

I cared until you started to talk about the NWO, then I realized that you and James should go be best friends and be insane together.

I cared until you started to talk about the NWO, then I realized that you and James should go be best friends and be insane together.

This is exactly the attitude im talking about! The YOUTUBE VIDEOS ARE REAL! WATCH THEM! Look at Alex Jones! The NWO really does exxist and can be rationally proved to do so. Why do you doubt? James has a keen intellect so I don;t think ur attack on him is fair!

Quote from: sillyrob on June 27, 2010, 11:33:35 PM

I cared until you started to talk about the NWO, then I realized that you and James should go be best friends and be insane together.

This is exactly the attitude im talking about! The YOUTUBE VIDEOS ARE REAL! WATCH THEM! Look at Alex Jones! The NWO really does exxist and can be rationally proved to do so. Why do you doubt? James has a keen intellect so I don;t think ur attack on him is fair!

James does not have a keen intellect. James should be locked up in a straightjacket so he cannot continue to spread his views of craziness to the internet. You'll soon be on the same path.

The NWO really does exxist and can be rationally proved to do so.

There is a difference between rationalizing something and rationally proving something.

Quote from: Gigamonsta on June 27, 2010, 11:39:20 PM

The NWO really does exxist and can be rationally proved to do so.

There is a difference between rationalizing something and rationally proving something.

Example:
A religious fanatic can rationalize God existing, but rationally proving it he can only go "LOL LOOK AT DAH BIBLE AND ULL SEE IM RIGHT"
Similar to how a lot of people on this forum try to prove their point <.<. Or a certain 15 notebook study that someone has locked away that hes "working" on and isn't ready for the public's eyes. .



By the way after 2 seconds of skimming OP's post i found a typo, now i take you even less seriously because of the fail of the HEAVY editing that was done.

  BUt

ESA (pronounceed: EE-SA)-Earth shape agnostic (i just dont know)

here is a heavily edited (by friends so there will be no typing mistakes) essay I wrote on why i am an esa! Enjoy!

essay:

      I used to live in a content little world. A world where good and evil, right and wrong, were obvious. A world where modern scientists were heros, politicians were good, and, yes, the earth was most definitely round. All this changed in the past year and it felt like everything was going to come tumbling down! But I was strong and my own inner strength had me accept that all I had previously believed was incorrect. I realized we cannot definitively prove the shape of the earth because we need to first unmask the conspiracy. Some will call me insane. Yet I will tell me tale nonetheless and inform all of how I slowly rejected all of the above assumptions (except good and evil...im just more confused now...).
 
     I really did believe our politicians wanted the best for us...that they wanted to PROTECT America. Boy was I wrong. I once accidentally stumbled upon Alex Jones. He opened my eyes up to a new world...a dark world....a world where everything I knew was wrong! He talked about the NWO (NEw world order) which the skull and bones, illuminati, and other powerful groups and politicians in the USA got together. They were a shadow government. I later examined books and even videos of Bohemian Grove...where they met and had MOCK HUMAN SACRIFICES AND PRAYED TO A DEMONIC OWL GOD CALLED MOLOCH! IT was there on youtube! There were also reports of them having sex with men up there...even Richard Nixon admitted it in a video (also available on youtube for those of you who are interested!) I read about how the US was covering up ALOT...including its own citizens...

       I felt so confused....why oh why was the line between good and evil so blurred? All of my prejudices...I didn't want to believe it...but the evidence showed the NWO existed and was powerful! In this age of globularism it is so much easier for a shadow gov't to rule the world. Organizations like the UN were able to have many of the world's nations checked up on as most of them were in it. But even scarier was Barrack Obama....his election was clearly a fraud. He fought against weak opponents who did everything wrong...he wasn't even born in America and he had associated with terrorists and radicals like Bill Ayes and Jeremiah Wright. He was obviously a puppet of the NWO...groomed from a young age for this job.

        I came to this website, FES, in this state of mind. I admit I left some joke threads about my conversion to FE...but I wasn't serious. Yet I eventually became more intrigued by it. I was never a good typist. Yet the FE'ers were always tolerant and open-minded, politely telling me to watch my grammar while the RE'ers sneered and mocked me. They were also open-minded and tolerant of new ideas. So many come to this site to mock and ridicule rather than to listen. Why did RE'ers do this I asked? It was because they were like me. Scared of their world views....ingrained in them since childhood, being destroyed. When I lost my faith in our world leaders and realized they were part of the NWO I felt that way too.

       I believe that a massive conspiracy is possible. The NWO proves that! Their tentacles are everywhere! Credible sites like Rense.com, as well as individuals like ALex Jones and Mark Dice, have exposed them! All of the so called "evidence" for a RE could have been fabricated too, I thought. It was impossible to know. The only way we could know is by overthrowing the conspiracy by spreading word of its existence. I finally had lost faith in modern science's objectivity. If the NWO could fabricate everything we know about the universe they could maintain an amazing amount of control over the human race! The human race would develop as they wanted it too.

       I believe RE'ers have to open their minds.Don't be afraid of the unknown! I lost faith in the comforting world I had once known...but now i know that I have a duty to search for the truth and enlighten my fellow man. Research the New World Order...it could possibly be the face for the Flat earth conspiracy. I am not sure what shape the earth is but I do know that RE cannot be believed blindly. In a thread I made asking RE'ers why they believed most of them admitted they had been taught it from a young age. Could it be that they are being manipulated? Re may bethe truth and it might not be. BUt I implore my fellow RE human beings to not judge people for their grammar or beliefs but embrace a heaping helping of tolerance, inclusivity, and mutual love so we can discover the truth.
Thanks

ESA Gigamonsta

You fail at understanding what agnostic means, and are stupid if you don't think we can determine the shape of the earth.

The NWO is the biggest fail theory ever. back in 2000, people said it would come. Nothing happened. Now people think that 2012 will bring destruction. I seriously doubt that. And you are a jerk for saying stuff about Obama that are clearly not true. Obama has no terrorist links, nor did any other president of the USA. Obama is relatively new to politics. He used to be a great teacher and is a good father. He is very open about his life, having self reported his teenage use of marijuana and cocaine. As for this enlightenment, you seem to not realize what the New World Order actually is. Its a political idea where Nations come together as one planet, free from war or any such divisions. It came from president Wilson's idea of the League of Nations. The UN is the current leading NWO type of organization. The NWO is about world peace not raep of people

TL;DR much? I don't care about your personal experiences yadayada, this isn't twitter/facebook/[insert socializing network thingy]. Get to the point and back it up with facts/examples/evidence/etc.. Don't need your novel writing skills here.

I didn't want to believe it...but the evidence showed the NWO existed and was powerful!

Yes, the NWO existed, but I don't think that they were all that powerful.  Any time you get that many egos together, you're just asking for trouble.  I believe that their fragmentation and collapse was inevitable.

y all the vulgarities? its bcause u cant answer me isnt it? u all come trolling into my thread!

Evidence:




ttp://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Sept05/290905Grove.htm


THAT PROVES THE CONSPIRACY;S EXISTENCE!


Also the NWO is not the UN! It is a sinister conspiracy.

We've already shown the Earth to be round in numerous ways.  Here's an easy one:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38554.0

We've already shown the Earth to be round in numerous ways.  Here's an easy one:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38554.0

Sorry, but no. JD's comments are correct, and this win is false. If you'd like to bump that thread, I'd be happy to support JD with some better explanations. Here's the crux of the matter: EM theory predicts that the LOFs will follow the surface of an magnetic object. Thus is a disc shaped model the LOFs run from the rim to the MNP on the up side of the FE. Aurorae are explained at both the MNP and the rim by the lack of LOFs running parallel to the surface--just like in RE. Remember that FAQ is clear: the disc has its poles on the top at the NMP and the other on the bottom down (as in towards your feet, not south) from the NMP.

Now in your defense, understanding the LOF-related theories requires college sophomore-level physics and at least three courses in the calculus (surface integrals). It's not easy to see JD's excellent rebuttal without knowing Maxwell's Equations and their implications.

Sorry to bring bad news, but I can't let errors stand on "my" side anymore than I can on "their" side.

Congratulations, you are halfway towards seeing what bilderberg doesn't want you to see.

\EM theory predicts that the LOFs will follow the surface of an magnetic object. Thus is a disc shaped model the LOFs run from the rim to the MNP on the up side of the FE. Aurorae are explained at both the MNP and the rim by the lack of LOFs running parallel to the surface--just like in RE. Remember that FAQ is clear: the disc has its poles on the top at the NMP and the other on the bottom down (as in towards your feet, not south) from the NMP.

What?  Try and draw this out if you can because I'm not really getting the argument.  How are you getting curved lines to move parallel along most of a surface that is flat if the pole is in that location and direction?

anyone see my evidence yet? look at those links and tell me that no conspiracy exists!

anyone see my evidence yet? look at those links and tell me that no conspiracy exists!

I just looked at those links. No conspiracy exists.

Of course,its only the more elaborate plan in history.This is why they hid all evidence connecting them to a conspiracy.
Oh wait...

This http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_of_the_Urinal_Deuce is a more likely explanation as to how the conspiracy to hide a RE is working.

So as I watched those videos, a message popped up on my screen saying, "We know who you are." I might have to move out to a cabin in the forest and cut off all communication with the outside world, just so the NWO and Illumunati don't get ahold of me.

cool story man, but honestly here's a hint:


http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_geodesy/geo01_intro.html

Quote from: Ellipsis on June 29, 2010, 10:27:27 PM

We've already shown the Earth to be round in numerous ways.  Here's an easy one:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38554.0

Sorry, but no. JD's comments are correct, and this win is false. If you'd like to bump that thread, I'd be happy to support JD with some better explanations. Here's the crux of the matter: EM theory predicts that the LOFs will follow the surface of an magnetic object. Thus is a disc shaped model the LOFs run from the rim to the MNP on the up side of the FE. Aurorae are explained at both the MNP and the rim by the lack of LOFs running parallel to the surface--just like in RE. Remember that FAQ is clear: the disc has its poles on the top at the NMP and the other on the bottom down (as in towards your feet, not south) from the NMP.

Now in your defense, understanding the LOF-related theories requires college sophomore-level physics and at least three courses in the calculus (surface integrals). It's not easy to see JD's excellent rebuttal without knowing Maxwell's Equations and their implications.

Sorry to bring bad news, but I can't let errors stand on "my" side anymore than I can on "their" side.

you are full of lol. EM theory predicts that the lines follow the customary torus with no hole shape. Dynamo theory was shown plausible in an experiment that I brought up b4. The bit about aurora is bordering on idiotic. It's like u don't even read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28astronomy%29. Don't talk about Ellipsis' education, when clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. JD's idea is a straw man. the field doesn't arise from a magnetic ball. It arises from the twin cores rotating in opposite directions. see dynamo theory

This is a cookie-cutter "you can't trust authorities so therefore everything we were ever taught is wrong!!!!!" argument, and a horrid one at that. Think of any conspiracy you want, and I can make a theory up about that conspiracy that could be "proved" with a Youtube video. This kind of radical skepticism will get you stuck in existential dilemmas about whether anything exists at all, and it's dangerous.

you are full of lol. EM theory predicts that the lines follow the customary torus with no hole shape. Dynamo theory was shown plausible in an experiment that I brought up b4. The bit about aurora is bordering on idiotic. It's like u don't even read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28astronomy%29. Don't talk about Ellipsis' education, when clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. JD's idea is a straw man. the field doesn't arise from a magnetic ball. It arises from the twin cores rotating in opposite directions. see dynamo theory

You seem to ramble here. Perhaps I can help you understand the FET's position, even if I don't agree with it. Let's take your points slowly and one at a time.

First, you state "EM theory predicts that the lines follow the customary torus with no hole shape. Are you saying that FET's proposed magnetic lines don't do that. Please explain. If your point is the FET infinite model fails, I'd agree. If your point  is that a disc-shaped magnet would not have radial LoFs along its top surface, then I'd have to disagree.

Second, how is anything FE says about the aurora idiotic. Really, calling something something idiotic doesn't make it so. Perhaps you can tell us more about the downfalls of FET's explanation of the Auroras.

Third, please tell me about how your having a plausible explanation (dynamo) for the magnetic field in RET makes J's suggestion a straw-man?

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on July 01, 2010, 09:28:09 PM

you are full of lol. EM theory predicts that the lines follow the customary torus with no hole shape. Dynamo theory was shown plausible in an experiment that I brought up b4. The bit about aurora is bordering on idiotic. It's like u don't even read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28astronomy%29. Don't talk about Ellipsis' education, when clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. JD's idea is a straw man. the field doesn't arise from a magnetic ball. It arises from the twin cores rotating in opposite directions. see dynamo theory

You seem to ramble here. Perhaps I can help you understand the FET's position, even if I don't agree with it. Let's take your points slowly and one at a time.

First, you state "EM theory predicts that the lines follow the customary torus with no hole shape. Are you saying that FET's proposed magnetic lines don't do that. Please explain. If your point is the FET infinite model fails, I'd agree. If your point  is that a disc-shaped magnet would not have radial LoFs along its top surface, then I'd have to disagree.

Second, how is anything FE says about the aurora idiotic. Really, calling something something idiotic doesn't make it so. Perhaps you can tell us more about the downfalls of FET's explanation of the Auroras.

Third, please tell me about how your having a plausible explanation (dynamo) for the magnetic field in RET makes J's suggestion a straw-man?

Sorry, I wrote that when I thought you were a troll, but have now since changed that opinion. I don't see how a FE could have the proper lines of force, the field would have to look like the one on RE, but twisted. I'm saying that the lines predicted by FE cannot be the same as those predicted by RE. that's impossible

Quote from: ClockTower on July 04, 2010, 05:58:05 AM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on July 01, 2010, 09:28:09 PM

you are full of lol. EM theory predicts that the lines follow the customary torus with no hole shape. Dynamo theory was shown plausible in an experiment that I brought up b4. The bit about aurora is bordering on idiotic. It's like u don't even read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_%28astronomy%29. Don't talk about Ellipsis' education, when clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. JD's idea is a straw man. the field doesn't arise from a magnetic ball. It arises from the twin cores rotating in opposite directions. see dynamo theory

You seem to ramble here. Perhaps I can help you understand the FET's position, even if I don't agree with it. Let's take your points slowly and one at a time.

First, you state "EM theory predicts that the lines follow the customary torus with no hole shape. Are you saying that FET's proposed magnetic lines don't do that. Please explain. If your point is the FET infinite model fails, I'd agree. If your point  is that a disc-shaped magnet would not have radial LoFs along its top surface, then I'd have to disagree.

Second, how is anything FE says about the aurora idiotic. Really, calling something something idiotic doesn't make it so. Perhaps you can tell us more about the downfalls of FET's explanation of the Auroras.

Third, please tell me about how your having a plausible explanation (dynamo) for the magnetic field in RET makes J's suggestion a straw-man?

Sorry, I wrote that when I thought you were a troll, but have now since changed that opinion. I don't see how a FE could have the proper lines of force, the field would have to look like the one on RE, but twisted. I'm saying that the lines predicted by FE cannot be the same as those predicted by RE. that's impossible

As you might predict, we agree on that.

no one has answered my initial post

You actually admitted to your friends that you're so dumb you don't really know what the shape of the Earth is?

no one has answered my initial post

Well, since you haven't provided a motive for the NWO to hide the true shape of the earth, I'm not sure what there is to discuss. 

no one has answered my initial post

Why are you so lazy? It's easy to gather the evidence yourself and then decide.

1) Visit a museum with a Foucault's Pendulum. Watch it for hours. Verify that it rotates at the correct speed and direction for its latitude.
2) Go to the sea shore take along binoculars. Watch ships go over the horizon. Do they disappear hull first? Can you restore the hulls with the binoculars?
3) On a clear night. Watch the stars rotate around you for several hours. Do they seem to rotate around two poles, one north and one south?
4) On a clear morning before sunrise, watch how the Earth's shadow moves in the western sky slowing lowering until sunrise.
5) Visit the National Air and Space Museum. See the various evidence and results on space flight.
6) Take a cruise say from Florida to the Bahamas. See how the port city disappears as you leave and appears as you arrive. See if binoculars change how much of the city is visible.
7) Design your own experiment to tell which shape the world is. Select something that the models make different predictions about that you can test.

Since its mostly NWO junk,i'll skip to the parts i immediately didn't like.

But even scarier was Barrack Obama....his election was clearly a fraud. He fought against weak opponents who did everything wrong...he wasn't even born in America and he had associated with terrorists and radicals like Bill Ayes and Jeremiah Wright. He was obviously a puppet of the NWO...groomed from a young age for this job.

Obama won because he was associated with fixing what bush did wrong.Mccain was more in favor of continuing bushes policies.
Bill ayers?he wasn't even that close to him.Jeremiah Wright?that was a LONG time ago.

Why did RE'ers do this I asked? It was because they were like me. Scared of their world views....ingrained in them since childhood, being destroyed.

False,if i didn't want my views destroyed i would simply not come to this site.However RE has been succesfully defended on this site,the same can't be said for FE.

     

 I believe that a massive conspiracy is possible. The NWO proves that! Their tentacles are everywhere!

They are so far reaching that everyone who has learned about thier existence has remained alive,i mean if i was in charge no one would have ANY evidence it exisits.

 I believe RE'ers have to open their minds.

I do,and my mind is telling me RE is the most likely model.
Feel free to click on the thread in my sig.

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