A few questions to FE'rs.

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A few questions to FE'rs.
« on: June 27, 2010, 03:01:27 AM »
1. "The Earth is not one of the other planets. The Earth is special and unlike the other bodies in numerous ways."

Can you explain why this is so? What makes it special? Why aren't the other planets flat?

2. Do you seriously think that EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY'S SPACE PROGRAM is a lie? Do you realize how many people that includes? How many races? Are you saying that not even one of them somehow leaked photos of the earth being a disc?

3. Where is the proof that NASA is involved in a conspiracy? (Other than the "truth" that the earth is a disc, please. No circular reasoning.)

4. If NASA is involved in a conspiracy because the earth is a disc and not a sphere (which is circular reasoning btw), where is the proof that earth is NOT a sphere? Because if you can prove that it is a disc, then you can surely prove that it is NOT a sphere?

5. Do you believe in Christianity's model of the world?

6. Are you undermining the research done by hundreds of scientists in history and the present? Do you think they all are involved in a mega conspiracy?

I've tried my best to stop laughing at this website so far, so bear with me if I have a few lols here...

Also, you being people who have utterly no respect for the hard work NASA's scientists are putting in, I can see what kind of respect you have for people in general...

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2010, 04:37:50 AM »
1. Read the FAQ.
2. Read the FAQ.
3. Read the Wiki.
4. Read the Wiki.
5. No.
6. Yes, no.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2010, 04:37:50 AM »
The only evidence is to refer to the BIG PICTURE.
These nutjobs "know" the Earth is flat, thus everything stating otherwise are evil lies and deceit from the governments.
It's very typical for conspiracy theorists to picture themselves as the valiant few, fighting against an overpowering foe with "unlimited resources" (the GOOOOVERNMEEEEENTS)

Most of the "evidence" comes from blatant refusal of accepting evidence proving otherwise. Pictures of the Earth from the ISS are claimed to be computer generated, without any other reason than "I know the Earth is flat, thus the photos must be fake." Probably the dumbest logical fallacy there is.

Refer to the fact that 400,000 people were involved in the Apollo 11 missions and you hear that "ONLY THE TOP KNEW THE TRUTH!", a desperate attempt to add credibility to a rediculous argument.

1. I suppose it's the easiest way of maintaining the insane theories, with the sun being a spotlight and moon and stars being some kind of discs.
2. By assuming that the FET is true, the answer would be yes. To avoid the fact that millions of competent and educated are involved, the FE's come with the argument I mentioned above.
3. There is none. Again, by assuming FET is true, NASA is involved. Fallacy yet again.
4. There is no evidence for a disc-shaped Earth, but instead there's flawed models which desperately tries to explain midnights and different timezones on a flat disc. It's impossible, but reality is not important.
5. There's probably some creationist undertone in this madness, considering that the Earth is "special" and everything is centered around it. Medieval stupidity.
6. They're simply ignoring it. FE's assume that everyone proposing a round Earth are part of a conspiracy, which also strengthens their false sense of righteousness. Since they see RE evidence as edited, false, bribed, corrupted, they can never be pursuaded otherwise.

I laughed a lot at first too, but after reading the so called arguments of some of the worst here, I can rather taste bile. "The Earth only APPEARS CURVED, HURR DURR!"

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2010, 04:49:12 AM »
It doesn't appear curved. Please cease your mindless trolling.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2010, 04:57:52 AM »
It doesn't appear curved. Please cease your mindless trolling.

The images you see below were taken with a camera attached to a special helium balloon, designed to fly at high altitudes. The balloon, SABLE-3 (Southern Alberta Balloon Launch Experiment 3), was rigged up with a camera that took a photo every minute, as well as a tracking device.

It took around 2 1/2 hours to reach its maximum altitude, right at the edge of Earth’s atmosphere.




Mindless trolling.
I hope you're kidding.
If I were trolling I'd be shouting "UHRF IS FLAET CUZ YOUTUBE SAI SO"

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2010, 05:00:40 AM »
Or you would be trying to anger some of the FE'ers by mindless insulting. Oh, wait...
As for the picture, it shows the curvature of the disk's edge. Lurk moar.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2010, 05:10:45 AM »
Such a dynamic way of arguing for a flat earth!
Now the pictures showing a curved Earth is pictures of the edge of the disc.

Well, it's not like I'm surprised, such ways of arguing is the only reason this sickening FE theory even exists.

A bit of hypocrisy but it was the easiest way to find it I suppose.



Earth from the ISS, you can see landmass pass the edge (the edge of the disc as you'd call it), so don't even bother.

is also very nice.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2010, 05:14:03 AM by Fiskpinnen »

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2010, 05:15:25 AM »
Dynamic? Lurk moar.
NASA? Lurk moar.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2010, 05:16:41 AM »
Indeed, I heard NASA cut off the head of a person to force the team of photoshoppers to make the images, later made into a video.
Anyway, the videos, or rather, sequence of photos are fine evidence of a spherical Earth. Your counter-evidence is "Lol NASA", so I'll consider that discussion over.

Good day.

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2010, 05:20:31 AM »
I agree, the discussion is over.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2010, 05:48:58 AM »
As for the picture, it shows the curvature of the disk's edge. Lurk moar.

So it appears curved. Lurk moar.

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2010, 02:13:22 PM »
As for the picture, it shows the curvature of the disk's edge. Lurk moar.

So it appears curved. Lurk moar.
Yes, and no. The surface doesn't appear curved, the edge does. Lurk moar.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2010, 02:21:40 PM »
As for the picture, it shows the curvature of the disk's edge. Lurk moar.

So it appears curved. Lurk moar.
Yes, and no. The surface doesn't appear curved, the edge does. Lurk moar.

Where did I say anything about the surface? Lurk moar.

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2010, 03:40:00 PM »
Amateur Hot Air Balloon shots at the edge of the atmosphere are not doctored. The slight curvature to the earth is true. It is a result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth.

NASA's images which claim to be at a significant altitude beyond the atmosphere of the earth, showing excessive curvature, are doctored, usually through fish-eye effects and composting.

One can even see in the ISS video which was posted earlier that the scene is being put through a fish-eye to give more curvature. The earth is even concave for several moments in the video:
« Last Edit: June 27, 2010, 03:46:46 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2010, 04:03:16 PM »
As for the picture, it shows the curvature of the disk's edge. Lurk moar.

So it appears curved. Lurk moar.
Yes, and no. The surface doesn't appear curved, the edge does. Lurk moar.

Where did I say anything about the surface? Lurk moar.
You never did. Fiskpinnen suggested that the Earth is curved, while it's just the edge that is. Semantics.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2010, 04:36:23 PM »
Then why did you quote his post with your response, are you stupid or something? You were talking to someone else but you quote his post...... It would seem that your responding to him.

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2010, 04:40:44 PM »
Amateur Hot Air Balloon shots at the edge of the atmosphere are not doctored. The slight curvature to the earth is true. It is a result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth.

So why can't you see the lights from cities in the distance?
Or why is the field of view so limited?  It's flat, you should be able to see the whole lit area, not just some of it.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2010, 05:21:31 PM »
Amateur Hot Air Balloon shots at the edge of the atmosphere are not doctored. The slight curvature to the earth is true. It is a result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth.

NASA's images which claim to be at a significant altitude beyond the atmosphere of the earth, showing excessive curvature, are doctored, usually through fish-eye effects and composting.

One can even see in the ISS video which was posted earlier that the scene is being put through a fish-eye to give more curvature. The earth is even concave for several moments in the video:

the concave bit was created by the lens distortion. but you already knew that

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2010, 05:29:41 PM »
So why can't you see the lights from cities in the distance?

Inferior lights are blotted out by the brightness of the earth, just as the stars are blotted out by the brightness of the earth.

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2010, 06:22:24 PM »
So why can't you see the lights from cities in the distance?

Inferior lights are blotted out by the brightness of the earth, just as the stars are blotted out by the brightness of the earth.

But the Earth doesn't block out the light from stars due to it's brightness.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2010, 06:35:34 PM »
Then why did you quote his post with your response, are you stupid or something? You were talking to someone else but you quote his post...... It would seem that your responding to him.
??? ??? ???
In every post I have made in this thread where a quote appears, I have been responding to the person I was quoting.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2010, 06:38:23 PM »
Amateur Hot Air Balloon shots at the edge of the atmosphere are not doctored. The slight curvature to the earth is true. It is a result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth.

Tom, don't you think that it's strange that every one of these photos from high altitude balloons shows the pretty much the same amount of "circular area of the sun's light upon the earth", regardless of the time of day or direction that the camera is facing?
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2010, 06:43:44 PM »
What if we sent one up at night with high exposure?  No "circular spotlight" to get int he way would show city lights AND stars AND the big, black area where the Stars suddenly stop. (ie. the solid Earth)
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2010, 06:56:40 PM »
I would like to find pictures from such a balloon sent up at sunset. Does anyone know if such an experiment has been done?
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2010, 04:49:59 AM »
NASA's images which claim to be at a significant altitude beyond the atmosphere of the earth, showing excessive curvature, are doctored, usually through fish-eye effects and composting.

Why aren't NASAs photos just showing a true and slight curvature to the earth which is a result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth?

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2010, 02:48:06 PM »
NASA's images which claim to be at a significant altitude beyond the atmosphere of the earth, showing excessive curvature, are doctored, usually through fish-eye effects and composting.

Why aren't NASAs photos just showing a true and slight curvature to the earth which is a result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth?
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2010, 06:23:07 PM »
Amateur Hot Air Balloon shots at the edge of the atmosphere are not doctored. The slight curvature to the earth is true. It is a result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth.
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We know that in FET that the sun's light upon the Earth is not circular. Indeed it's unbelievably weirdly shaped. For example on the equinoxes the visible edge is a straight line. On the December Solstice it's curved dramatically away from the Sun, covering the entire region south of Antarctic Circle but in the Northern Hemidisc, it curves towards the Sun again. So, no the slight curvature is not the result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the Sun's light upon the Earth.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2010, 09:45:21 PM »
Amateur Hot Air Balloon shots at the edge of the atmosphere are not doctored. The slight curvature to the earth is true. It is a result of the camera looking down at the circular area of the sun's light upon the earth.

Tom, don't you think that it's strange that every one of these photos from high altitude balloons shows the pretty much the same amount of "circular area of the sun's light upon the earth", regardless of the time of day or direction that the camera is facing?
I think Tom's point is m00t, because the Sun should be shining in a semi circle

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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2010, 09:05:31 AM »
Am I the only one finding it ironic that Tom of all people is using those images to back up his argument? Must be fun cherry-picking your evidence Tom. Don't forget to tell us NASA, all spaceprogramms and anything in orbit is a lie in your next post... Also, don't forget to just ignore the people who are actually presenting you with hard facts and instead hand-pick what you respond to as well. I wish you good luck at being taken seriously with that approach.
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Re: A few questions to FE'rs.
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2010, 10:28:39 AM »
useless quote

Your point?

I'e no idea wat excessive curvature might be.

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