USA on road to tyranny

I'm sure Obama threatened BP with some form of executive branch intervention if they did not comply with his wishes

Yes. Possibly, although not overtly. They probably knew that the government would force them to pay eventually. What part of "clean up this shit" don't you understand?

So what exactly did Obama threaten to do, Johannes?

Quote from: John Davis on June 22, 2010, 05:18:50 AM

Quote from: Myjafjallajokul on June 22, 2010, 02:58:16 AM

Why the hell should BP have to compensate the countless livelihoods and family businesses they've ruined due to their gross and criminal negligence? They were correct in utilizing almost no safety precautions and neglecting to maintain their Blow-out Preventer; these are pointless measures imposed by a huge and power-tripping government. All they do is slow down oil companies in their noble effort to extract that delicious black gold for us to use.

STOP MAKING MEGA-CORPORATIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, 0BUMMER!

I imagine the issue would be that they weren't given a trial.

BP Could have said no and demanded a trial. Hey there PR nightmare! How are you? What do we do! Pay some money, talk real funny, the right will blame obama, BP gets hidden by that drama.

pew pew pew

Exactly, they were strong armed into doing it;  lose half your livelihood and have a trial or give us money; despite having claimed innocence of the act.  They gave the relief money and 'accepted responsibility', but that is not accepting fault.

What if the government did this to a shoemaker?  or a cobbler?

Would a shoemaker or a cobbler have the ability to destroy the Gulf of Mexico? Did the shoemaker and the cobbler already have to pay millions in criminal fines for their gross negligence?

Exactly, they were strong armed into doing it;  lose half your livelihood and have a trial or give us money; despite having claimed innocence of the act.  They gave the relief money and 'accepted responsibility', but that is not accepting fault.

It's hard to claim innocence when the thing you built is pumping out black oil all over the beach.

They have accepted it's their fault. Because it clearly is. BP need to kiss so much ass now, this $20 billion is just the start.

What if the government did this to a shoemaker?  or a cobbler?

Yes, we must ask the question, "What if a shoemaker made a pair of shoes that dumped curly, oily black turds all over the beach, killing wildlife and communities, causing irreparable damage for years to come?".

So, accepting responsibility means they accept the costs. They're responsible to pay for damages. Haven't they accepted responsibility since the beginning?

Quote from: theonlydann on June 22, 2010, 05:23:59 AM

Quote from: John Davis on June 22, 2010, 05:18:50 AM

Quote from: Myjafjallajokul on June 22, 2010, 02:58:16 AM

Why the hell should BP have to compensate the countless livelihoods and family businesses they've ruined due to their gross and criminal negligence? They were correct in utilizing almost no safety precautions and neglecting to maintain their Blow-out Preventer; these are pointless measures imposed by a huge and power-tripping government. All they do is slow down oil companies in their noble effort to extract that delicious black gold for us to use.

STOP MAKING MEGA-CORPORATIONS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, 0BUMMER!

I imagine the issue would be that they weren't given a trial.

BP Could have said no and demanded a trial. Hey there PR nightmare! How are you? What do we do! Pay some money, talk real funny, the right will blame obama, BP gets hidden by that drama.

pew pew pew

Exactly, they were strong armed into doing it;  lose half your livelihood and have a trial or give us money; despite having claimed innocence of the act.  They gave the relief money and 'accepted responsibility', but that is not accepting fault.

What if the government did this to a shoemaker?  or a cobbler?

lets put it into a better frame. What if the government forced a welder who disregarded safety regulations, therefore he burnt down a block of a city, to pay for his actions.

Id be cool. The only difference is BP has the money to start making right on its wrong.

Jesus people I don't mind you ranting against your President, but at least learn the meanings of the words "Socialist", "Communist" and "Nazi" before you open your mouths.

I get the felling that in your mind the meaning of those words change from case to case as it suits your argument.

Obama is obviously a Nazi Socialist Communist Muslim Kenyan.

Oh noes, the american right is making claims that Obama is a tyrant while drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany and the Soviet Russia!  What a new and interesting strategy.  Learn to implied powers plz.

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Jesus people I don't mind you ranting against your President, but at least learn the meanings of the words "Socialist", "Communist" and "Nazi" before you open your mouths.

I get the felling that in your mind the meaning of those words change from case to case as it suits your argument.

QFI

Obama is obviously a Nazi Socialist Communist Muslim Kenyan.

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Your mom is Socialist too, right?

Your mom is capitalist too, right?

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Oh, I thought she took advantage of socialised medicine.

Quote from: Sean on June 28, 2010, 03:13:19 PM

Obama is obviously a Nazi Socialist Communist Muslim Kenyan.

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Give three examples please.

Quote from: Sean on June 28, 2010, 03:13:19 PM

Obama is obviously a Nazi Socialist Communist Muslim Kenyan.

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>Implying he is
>Implying that's a bad thing

CR90 should come up to Canada and have a look at the NDP. That's socialism, not those pansy-ass Obama policies.

Quote from: Sean on June 28, 2010, 03:13:19 PM

Obama is obviously a Nazi Socialist Communist Muslim Kenyan.

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I know I probably say it too much, but you dumb fuck yanks don't know what socialism is. No really. You don't. No. Not at all. No Wikipedia isn't going to help.

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on June 28, 2010, 05:00:48 PM

Quote from: Sean on June 28, 2010, 03:13:19 PM

Obama is obviously a Nazi Socialist Communist Muslim Kenyan.

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I know I probably say it too much, but you dumb fuck yanks don't know what socialism is. No really. You don't. No. Not at all. No Wikipedia isn't going to help.

I will disagree. it is only the people that talk about socialism that do not know what it is. A lot of people that don't bring it up do actually understand it.

I will disagree. it is only the people that talk about socialism that do not know what it is. A lot of people that don't bring it up do actually understand it.

The silent majority. Hmm.

Because Thomas Jefferson said it, it must be undeniably true in the minds of modern day conservatives   

An equal application of law to every condition of man is fundamental.
-- Thomas Jefferson, to George Hay, 1807. ME 11:341

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Archibald Stuart (1791)

That liberty [is pure] which is to go to all, and not to the few or the rich alone.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio Gates (1798)

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add "within the limits of the law" because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Isaac H Tiffany (1819)

The most sacred of the duties of a government [is] to do equal and impartial justice to all its citizens.
-- Thomas Jefferson, note in Destutt de Tracy, "Political Economy," 1816. ME 14:465


Jefferson wasn't a neo-con, stop trying to paint him as one.

Who's painting him as anything? I'm just using the quote cause I agree with him.

I missed CR90.

Since we're chucking quotes around:

It is true, as I have already stated, that I have been influenced by Marxist thought. But this is also true of many of the leaders of the new independent States. Such widely different persons as Gandhi, Nehru, Nkrumah, and Nasser all acknowledge this fact. We all accept the need for some form of socialism to enable our people to catch up with the advanced countries of this world and to overcome their legacy of extreme poverty. But this does not mean we are Marxists.


In my opinion, nothing has contributed so much to the corruption of the original idea of socialism as the belief that Russia is a socialist country and that every act of its rulers must be excused, if not imitated


A nationalized planned economy needs democracy, as the human body needs oxygen

Who's painting him as anything? I'm just using the quote cause I agree with him.

It seems to be a common quality of you christians to pick specific quotes and try to portray them out of context.

Stop it.

It seems to be a common quality of you christians to pick specific quotes and try to portray them out of context.

lrn2thebible

Quote from: Christianrocker90 on June 29, 2010, 12:26:03 PM

Who's painting him as anything? I'm just using the quote cause I agree with him.

It seems to be a common quality of you christians to pick specific quotes and try to portray them out of context.

Stop it.

Like atheists are all innocent of this. Get real.