Painting glaciers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/latin_america/10333304.stm

Is there really any chance this will work?

It'll look like it's working from a distance.

Someone needs to tell the BBC that the 1st of April was two and a half months ago.

In limited theory, it should cause changes. Whether that simple change counteracts any and all other variables in the surrounding area will remain to be seen. I am, however, curious as to whether they've spoken to any meteorologists or other scientists.

The idea has scientific merit, but it's flaw lies in the rest of the world.  You can paint a whole country white, but if the other side of the world absorbs a lot of energy, it's not going to make enough of a difference.

At most they will undue the damage that was caused by the loss of the glacier, but this will not fix what originally caused the glacier to melt.

Perhaps it will work, but we really need to look at some sort of terraforming to fix this problem. We need to generate some carbon dumps and perhaps release something into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight back into space. There are more problems to an earth warming than just it being hotter, oceans hold less carbon when they warm meaning we may be unable to stop this once it starts.

At most they will undue the damage that was caused by the loss of the glacier, but this will not fix what originally caused the glacier to melt.

Perhaps it will work, but we really need to look at some sort of terraforming to fix this problem. We need to generate some carbon dumps and perhaps release something into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight back into space. There are more problems to an earth warming than just it being hotter, oceans hold less carbon when they warm meaning we may be unable to stop this once it starts.

What's funny is shipping boats on they routes they go now do a great job of polluting the atmosphere, which in turns reflects sunlight. Plans are to do it less.

I think we should paint everything white, then start genetically engineering trees and grass to produce white chlorophyll.

I think we should paint everything white, then start genetically engineering trees and grass to produce white chlorophyll.

Well, until we figure out how chlorophyl works well enough to produce even a green equivalent, i doubt we could do that second part.

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on June 19, 2010, 08:51:41 AM

I think we should paint everything white, then start genetically engineering trees and grass to produce white chlorophyll.

Well, until we figure out how chlorophyl works well enough to produce even a green equivalent, i doubt we could do that second part.

Pessimist.

Quote from: Raist on June 20, 2010, 02:58:35 PM

Quote from: Chris Spaghetti on June 19, 2010, 08:51:41 AM

I think we should paint everything white, then start genetically engineering trees and grass to produce white chlorophyll.

Well, until we figure out how chlorophyl works well enough to produce even a green equivalent, i doubt we could do that second part.

Pessimist.

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Are you fucking serious, Galvani?

Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2010, 09:48:31 AM

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Are you fucking serious, Galvani?

No chlorophyl has ever been shown to utilize light outside of the visible spectrum. I therefore conclude that it is impossible for it to do so.

No chlorophyl has ever been shown to utilize light outside of the visible spectrum. I therefore conclude that it is impossible for it to do so.

I was implying that your statement was obvious, not that it was false.

If we genetically altered chlorophyl, It wouldn't be chlorophyl anymore.

I call naming rights!

Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2010, 09:48:31 AM

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Are you fucking serious, Galvani?

says the man who thinks burnt wood will move on its own to create optical illusions as a part of the conspiracy.
I'd say white pigment genes would be easier than the feat you posed

Quote from: Parsifal on June 21, 2010, 09:52:41 AM

Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2010, 09:48:31 AM

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Are you fucking serious, Galvani?

says the man who thinks burnt wood will move on its own to create optical illusions as a part of the conspiracy.
I'd say white pigment genes would be easier than the feat you posed

White pigment genes would be insanely easy. A chemical that absorbs certain wavelengths of light to move an electron along an electron transport chain yet emits all wavelengths equally is what is impossible.

Think before you post.

Is there really any chance this will work?

Two hectares of white paint does not a global warming prevent.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 21, 2010, 05:18:00 PM

Quote from: Parsifal on June 21, 2010, 09:52:41 AM

Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2010, 09:48:31 AM

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Are you fucking serious, Galvani?

says the man who thinks burnt wood will move on its own to create optical illusions as a part of the conspiracy.
I'd say white pigment genes would be easier than the feat you posed

White pigment genes would be insanely easy. A chemical that absorbs certain wavelengths of light to move an electron along an electron transport chain yet emits all wavelengths equally is what is impossible.

Think before you post.

huh, I was saying how white pigment genes is a lot easier than what Parsifal once said: modifying wood so that when burnt, drawn in a grid of squares, separated by gray margins with white circles at the corners, the color black will spontaneously appear at the corners when the viewer is not looking at that specific location. like this image

Quote from: Parsifal on June 21, 2010, 09:52:41 AM

Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2010, 09:48:31 AM

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Are you fucking serious, Galvani?

No chlorophyl has ever been shown to utilize light outside of the visible spectrum. I therefore conclude that it is impossible for it to do so.

So we genetically modify it to be a very pale green.

Quote from: Raist on June 22, 2010, 09:16:19 AM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 21, 2010, 05:18:00 PM

Quote from: Parsifal on June 21, 2010, 09:52:41 AM

Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2010, 09:48:31 AM

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Are you fucking serious, Galvani?

says the man who thinks burnt wood will move on its own to create optical illusions as a part of the conspiracy.
I'd say white pigment genes would be easier than the feat you posed

White pigment genes would be insanely easy. A chemical that absorbs certain wavelengths of light to move an electron along an electron transport chain yet emits all wavelengths equally is what is impossible.

Think before you post.

huh, I was saying how white pigment genes is a lot easier than what Parsifal once said: modifying wood so that when burnt, drawn in a grid of squares, separated by gray margins with white circles at the corners, the color black will spontaneously appear at the corners when the viewer is not looking at that specific location. like this image

Cool.

So you want to put white pigment in with the chlorophyl? That will work out amazingly, the pigment will reflect all the light, and the plant will die from lack of energy.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 22, 2010, 09:15:56 PM

Quote from: Raist on June 22, 2010, 09:16:19 AM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 21, 2010, 05:18:00 PM

Quote from: Parsifal on June 21, 2010, 09:52:41 AM

Quote from: Raist on June 21, 2010, 09:48:31 AM

Also, a white chlorophyl would reflect all visible wavelengths. So it would absorb no energy.

Are you fucking serious, Galvani?

says the man who thinks burnt wood will move on its own to create optical illusions as a part of the conspiracy.
I'd say white pigment genes would be easier than the feat you posed

White pigment genes would be insanely easy. A chemical that absorbs certain wavelengths of light to move an electron along an electron transport chain yet emits all wavelengths equally is what is impossible.

Think before you post.

huh, I was saying how white pigment genes is a lot easier than what Parsifal once said: modifying wood so that when burnt, drawn in a grid of squares, separated by gray margins with white circles at the corners, the color black will spontaneously appear at the corners when the viewer is not looking at that specific location. like this image

Cool.

So you want to put white pigment in with the chlorophyl? That will work out amazingly, the pigment will reflect all the light, and the plant will die from lack of energy.

I never said that it was practical or smart. I thought Parsifal was talking about the impossibility of your idea. but clearly the guy doesn't know anything about pigments because of they above.

Actually his idea is possible, white chlorophyl is not with out atmosphere.

Actually his idea is possible, white chlorophyl is not with out atmosphere.

are you serious? pigment that moves around with no energy source ad infinitum, that only disappears when you are looking at the dot? that means we could be looking at different parts of it, my spot wouldn't be dark for me, but it would for you. also remember the wood is BURNT. And it only does this if you arrange the ashes in a very specific pattern.

Quote from: Raist on June 26, 2010, 05:47:05 AM

Actually his idea is possible, white chlorophyl is not with out atmosphere.

are you serious? pigment that moves around with no energy source ad infinitum, that only disappears when you are looking at the dot? that means we could be looking at different parts of it, my spot wouldn't be dark for me, but it would for you. also remember the wood is BURNT. And it only does this if you arrange the ashes in a very specific pattern.

Still more likely than chlorophyl that is white.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 26, 2010, 10:43:50 AM

Quote from: Raist on June 26, 2010, 05:47:05 AM

Actually his idea is possible, white chlorophyl is not with out atmosphere.

are you serious? pigment that moves around with no energy source ad infinitum, that only disappears when you are looking at the dot? that means we could be looking at different parts of it, my spot wouldn't be dark for me, but it would for you. also remember the wood is BURNT. And it only does this if you arrange the ashes in a very specific pattern.

Still more likely than chlorophyl that is white.

It's impossible. One person can't view something as existing, while the other person can if they are both staring at the same time for an extended period of time. Also how would the pigment know where you were looking?  Are you a wizard?

it could still absorb the UA and infared spectrum.
also it wouldn't be that hard to manufacture a white pigment.

One person can't view something as existing, while the other person can if they are both staring at the same time for an extended period of time.

Write harder.

Quote from: Raist on June 26, 2010, 02:32:51 PM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 26, 2010, 10:43:50 AM

Quote from: Raist on June 26, 2010, 05:47:05 AM

Actually his idea is possible, white chlorophyl is not with out atmosphere.

are you serious? pigment that moves around with no energy source ad infinitum, that only disappears when you are looking at the dot? that means we could be looking at different parts of it, my spot wouldn't be dark for me, but it would for you. also remember the wood is BURNT. And it only does this if you arrange the ashes in a very specific pattern.

Still more likely than chlorophyl that is white.

It's impossible. One person can't view something as existing, while the other person can if they are both staring at the same time for an extended period of time. Also how would the pigment know where you were looking?  Are you a wizard?

Are you saying the image you posted doesn't show the same thing?

Quote from: Raist on June 26, 2010, 02:32:51 PM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 26, 2010, 10:43:50 AM

Quote from: Raist on June 26, 2010, 05:47:05 AM

Actually his idea is possible, white chlorophyl is not with out atmosphere.

are you serious? pigment that moves around with no energy source ad infinitum, that only disappears when you are looking at the dot? that means we could be looking at different parts of it, my spot wouldn't be dark for me, but it would for you. also remember the wood is BURNT. And it only does this if you arrange the ashes in a very specific pattern.

Still more likely than chlorophyl that is white.

It's impossible. One person can't view something as existing, while the other person can if they are both staring at the same time for an extended period of time. Also how would the pigment know where you were looking?  Are you a wizard?

it could still absorb the UA and infared spectrum.
also it wouldn't be that hard to manufacture a white pigment.

You are retarded. Infrared can't penetrate through cell walls easily, and is a very low energy carrier. As for "manufacturing a white pigment" that is irrelevant, it is the problem of reflecting all wavelengths of light while still absorbing some that is impossible.

You might as well be claiming a batter batted 1000 this year yet he struck out some of the time. Being white and absorbing wavelengths are mutually exclusive, hence impossible.

Being white and absorbing visual wavelengths are mutually exclusive, hence impossible.

Fix'd.