Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory

Since scientific proof isn’t something that FEarthers rely on, I’m gonna go ahead and use the same pseudo logical reasoning they love.

Iran is a muslim fundamentalist country. Iranian people have more faith in the coran than any they have in any other book.
Now the Coran argues those who doubt his power by saying: How I managed to flatten the earth.
Meaning how powerful was he by flattening the earth.

Over centuries, the explanation to this verse was as simple as it is written.
God is powerful, He flattened the earth.
And over those centuries claiming that verses had other meanings, was complete heresy and punished by death (awful death) since it was Allah’s word and such powerful entities don’t use metaphors.
Then by the arrival of science, fundamentalists were facing some serious threat and they began to loosen up by inventing some fucked up metaphorical meanings to the Coran.

The educational system in Iran teaches kids that the earth is round and that the verse meant that how Allah is such powerful that made the illusion to humans that the earth is flat when in fact it  is round.

In 2009, with the help of Russia, Iran was able to launch its first satellite named Omid (Hope in Persian) from its homeland.
Omid is a telecommunication satellite (at least as they claim) and is orbiting around the earth with the following coordinates:
Inclination   55.5°
Apoapsis   383.8 km
Periapsis   252.7 km
Orbital period   90.7 min

The following day of its launch the NASA, reluctantly, confirmed the mission’s success and a storm raged between American anlysists over the seriousness of this potential threat.

Don’t you think that the USA’s enemy would take pictures proving that the earth is flat and that Allah’s word was literally right and shove it up the Occident’s ass other than spending shit loads of money maintaining a ridiculous 27 kilograms cube in outer space?

Since scientific proof isn’t something that FEarthers rely on, I’m gonna go ahead and use the same pseudo logical reasoning they love.

Iran is a muslim fundamentalist country. Iranian people have more faith in the coran than any they have in any other book.
Now the Coran argues those who doubt his power by saying: How I managed to flatten the earth.
Meaning how powerful was he by flattening the earth.

Over centuries, the explanation to this verse was as simple as it is written.
God is powerful, He flattened the earth.
And over those centuries claiming that verses had other meanings, was complete heresy and punished by death (awful death) since it was Allah’s word and such powerful entities don’t use metaphors.
Then by the arrival of science, fundamentalists were facing some serious threat and they began to loosen up by inventing some fucked up metaphorical meanings to the Coran.

The educational system in Iran teaches kids that the earth is round and that the verse meant that how Allah is such powerful that made the illusion to humans that the earth is flat when in fact it  is round.

In 2009, with the help of Russia, Iran was able to launch its first satellite named Omid (Hope in Persian) from its homeland.
Omid is a telecommunication satellite (at least as they claim) and is orbiting around the earth with the following coordinates:
Inclination   55.5°
Apoapsis   383.8 km
Periapsis   252.7 km
Orbital period   90.7 min

The following day of its launch the NASA, reluctantly, confirmed the mission’s success and a storm raged between American anlysists over the seriousness of this potential threat.

Don’t you think that the USA’s enemy would take pictures proving that the earth is flat and that Allah’s word was literally right and shove it up the Occident’s ass other than spending shit loads of money maintaining a ridiculous 27 kilograms cube in outer space?

The conspiracy consist not just the US government.  Their motives also likely don't coincide with the government as they are siphoning money from them.

Quote from: Homespun-Bleach on June 16, 2010, 05:03:22 AM

Since scientific proof isn’t something that FEarthers rely on, I’m gonna go ahead and use the same pseudo logical reasoning they love.

Iran is a muslim fundamentalist country. Iranian people have more faith in the coran than any they have in any other book.
Now the Coran argues those who doubt his power by saying: How I managed to flatten the earth.
Meaning how powerful was he by flattening the earth.

Over centuries, the explanation to this verse was as simple as it is written.
God is powerful, He flattened the earth.
And over those centuries claiming that verses had other meanings, was complete heresy and punished by death (awful death) since it was Allah’s word and such powerful entities don’t use metaphors.
Then by the arrival of science, fundamentalists were facing some serious threat and they began to loosen up by inventing some fucked up metaphorical meanings to the Coran.

The educational system in Iran teaches kids that the earth is round and that the verse meant that how Allah is such powerful that made the illusion to humans that the earth is flat when in fact it  is round.

In 2009, with the help of Russia, Iran was able to launch its first satellite named Omid (Hope in Persian) from its homeland.
Omid is a telecommunication satellite (at least as they claim) and is orbiting around the earth with the following coordinates:
Inclination   55.5°
Apoapsis   383.8 km
Periapsis   252.7 km
Orbital period   90.7 min

The following day of its launch the NASA, reluctantly, confirmed the mission’s success and a storm raged between American anlysists over the seriousness of this potential threat.

Don’t you think that the USA’s enemy would take pictures proving that the earth is flat and that Allah’s word was literally right and shove it up the Occident’s ass other than spending shit loads of money maintaining a ridiculous 27 kilograms cube in outer space?

The conspiracy consist not just the US government.  Their motives also likely don't coincide with the government as they are siphoning money from them.

Yet nobody has shown the feasability of a conspiracy. (See my other topics for what I mean)

Yet nobody has shown the feasability of a conspiracy. (See my other topics for what I mean)

Absolutely, and I really don't see any motive for this one.
We're talking about the same country that has a national program seeking to descredit 9/11 and the moon landing but doesn't use a serious opportunity to descredit the very basis of all the so-called lies. (Looking forward to that)

The conspiracy consist not just the US government.  Their motives also likely don't coincide with the government as they are siphoning money from them.

I didn't really understand the "Their motives also likely don't coincide with the government as they are siphoning" part.
I don't even know what siphoning mean.

Quote from: Raver on June 16, 2010, 05:37:44 AM

Yet nobody has shown the feasability of a conspiracy. (See my other topics for what I mean)

Absolutely, and I really don't see any motive for this one.
We're talking about the same country that has a national program seeking to descredit 9/11 and the moon landing but doesn't use a serious opportunity to descredit the very basis of all the so-called lies. (Looking forward to that)

Quote from: John Davis on June 16, 2010, 05:27:23 AM

The conspiracy consist not just the US government.  Their motives also likely don't coincide with the government as they are siphoning money from them.

I didn't really understand the "Their motives also likely don't coincide with the government as they are siphoning" part.
I don't even know what siphoning mean.

Theoretically, the conspiracy is stealing money from several governments including the US by falsifying their space program.  The conspiracy isn't the government but members of the conspiracy may be a part of the US government as well as other governments.

Theoretically, the conspiracy is stealing money from several governments including the US by falsifying their space program.  The conspiracy isn't the government but members of the conspiracy may be a part of the US government as well as other governments.

Ah okay, I understand better.
I'm new to this kind of conspiracy theory, since where I come from we're told that the US Goverment is the one conspiring on the world.

I must admit that this "theory" is a bit too complicated to be possible.

Anyway, now I have some questions (You can either answer me here or guide me to a more appropriate thread):
- NASA, EADS (European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company), CNSA (China National Space Administration), RFSA (Russian Federal Space Agency), CNES (French Space Agency), JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency) but also: Royal Caribbean International, Croisières de France, Hapag-Lloyd Cruises, Thuraya (Emirati Satellite phone provider) all of those companies and thousands more are members of a conspiracy aiming to suck up tax payers' money?
Since all of their activities are based upon the earth being round and everything.

And even if they use other ways to provide their services, why and how do they cover it?

And even if they use other ways to provide their services, why and how do they cover it?

Welcome to Face Palm U. You will now, if the FE deem you worthy, a whole cute non scientific homespun fantasy about the Global Conspiracy, oh wait perhaps just a link to the whole Global Conspiracy, better yet a belittling dismissal along the lines of you just don't understand, or the typical... ignore because you have caught them with a logic that they can not possibly break.

or the typical... ignore because you have caught them with a logic that they can not possibly break.

That line is so true.
The line, it is speaking the truth.

I thought John Davis was less Conspiracy oriented

I thought John Davis was less Conspiracy oriented

I am, I was attempting to be helpful as while I don't believe it, I am familiar with the idea.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 16, 2010, 03:13:39 PM

I thought John Davis was less Conspiracy oriented

I am, I was attempting to be helpful as while I don't believe it, I am familiar with the idea.

Playing conspiracy devil's advocate, eh?

Quote from: John Davis on June 16, 2010, 06:20:35 PM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 16, 2010, 03:13:39 PM

I thought John Davis was less Conspiracy oriented

I am, I was attempting to be helpful as while I don't believe it, I am familiar with the idea.

Playing conspiracy devil's advocate, eh?

Just trying to be helpful =-).  He's a new user of a non-native language and I'm just trying to help him understand where the other view is coming from as they have yet to post.  I should have stated as much, apologies.

Devil's advocate here has such a negative connotation. 

Just trying to be helpful =-).  He's a new user of a non-native language and I'm just trying to help him understand where the other view is coming from as they have yet to post.  I should have stated as much, apologies.

Devil's advocate here has such a negative connotation. 

Thanks, I rad some of subjects related to the Conspiracy theory.
I have to admit that I feel it is more of heavy imaginative speculations rather than a real theory, since it's based on assumptions without any tangible proof.
And I feel that REers and FEers are facing the same dilemma that say Atheists and Theists are facing.
We're not speaking the same language nor following the same stucture of reasoning.
The same outstanding arguments of one side are rediculous bullshit to the others.
One way to transcend this problem is to assume good faith, but, sadly, each side is trying to demean the other side.
Even mysel, I must admit, I thought to myself :" Those morons can't be serious." Well obviously you are serious but nonetheless you seem to be more intellectual and clever than I am.

Another sad thing, FEers seem to not have their shit together.
Raver made the authentic effort to create marvellous subjetcs and yet the responses vary between ignorance and effortless answers.

Anyway, I was raised by conspiracy believers and it was a pain in the ass to live with paranoid people.
A conspiracy that big is just impossible and the only people insanely organized and disciplined enough are third reich Nazis and pre-Hiroshima Japanese and look at how things ended for both of them.

Raver or Trig, I can't remember well, spoke of the impossibility to make middle east countries and Israel agree on something and he's absolutely right. There is no way on earth (whether it's flat or round) to put an arab and a Zionist jew on the same mission.

Quote from: John Davis on June 16, 2010, 09:10:01 PM

Just trying to be helpful =-).  He's a new user of a non-native language and I'm just trying to help him understand where the other view is coming from as they have yet to post.  I should have stated as much, apologies.

Devil's advocate here has such a negative connotation. 

Thanks, I rad some of subjects related to the Conspiracy theory.
I have to admit that I feel it is more of heavy imaginative speculations rather than a real theory, since it's based on assumptions without any tangible proof.

If one could prove it, it would be a very shoddy conspiracy.

And I feel that REers and FEers are facing the same dilemma that say Atheists and Theists are facing.
We're not speaking the same language nor following the same stucture of reasoning.

I wouldn't say that.  We don't methodology like circular logic or anything like that.  We use the same logic roundies use.

The same outstanding arguments of one side are rediculous bullshit to the others.

Fair enough, but one can say that about many opposing sides, even within RE science.

One way to transcend this problem is to assume good faith, but, sadly, each side is trying to demean the other side.
Even mysel, I must admit, I thought to myself :" Those morons can't be serious." Well obviously you are serious but nonetheless you seem to be more intellectual and clever than I am.

Another sad thing, FEers seem to not have their shit together.
Raver made the authentic effort to create marvellous subjetcs and yet the responses vary between ignorance and effortless answers.

He made quite a number of subjects in a very short time, asking questions that could have been answered through literature or the search function.  I imagine this turned off quite a few would-be posters.

Anyway, I was raised by conspiracy believers and it was a pain in the ass to live with paranoid people.
A conspiracy that big is just impossible and the only people insanely organized and disciplined enough are third reich Nazis and pre-Hiroshima Japanese and look at how things ended for both of them.

Just because it hasn't ended yet doesn't mean it won't end poorly for them.

Raver or Trig, I can't remember well, spoke of the impossibility to make middle east countries and Israel agree on something and he's absolutely right. There is no way on earth (whether it's flat or round) to put an arab and a Zionist jew on the same mission.

I can't say I agree with that, but ok.

It is painful to me that the noble and enlightened people of Iran have been led astray by the Conspiracy's heretical lies and false promises of space travel. The Russian Globularist enclave has merely used one of their pseudolite aircraft to broadcast a new series of satellite signals and deceive the Iranians from their otherwise worthy and accurate Islamic science.

It is painful to me that the noble and enlightened people of Iran have been led astray by the Conspiracy's heretical lies and false promises of space travel. The Russian Globularist enclave has merely used one of their pseudolite aircraft to broadcast a new series of satellite signals and deceive the Iranians from their otherwise worthy and accurate Islamic science.

Please don't get me started on Islam and the Iranian people (The majority of them).
Islam isn't a science and is surely not accurate.
I surely can understand how you can find it useful to your cause since it claims that:
-The moon is eating itself.
-The sun is a spotlight.
-The earth is flat.
-The satanic conspiracy.
But if you look closer, it just repeats the mythology of ancient people of what we call now, the middle east.

And to John Davis, I hear you and I agree with all your replies.
Except maybe for the Zionist/Arab hand in hand, the hatred is authentic but you can tell me that the conspiracy made them believe in it so much, and I tell you it can't be, but neither of us has the tangible proof and it's a tie.

Please don't get me started on Islam and the Iranian people (The majority of them).
Islam isn't a science and is surely not accurate.

Ah, I see I have offended your racist and xenophobic sensibilities. I am sorry that my enlightened tolerance does not sit easily with your senseless religious hatred.

Islamic science has a rich history, which has contributed groundbreaking work to the fields of medicine, astronomy, optics and a variety of other studies. In fact, the first university, established in Al Karaouine in the 9th Century, was a bastion of Islamic science.

But if you look closer, it just repeats the mythology of ancient people of what we call now, the middle east.

How is this claim reconcilable with the medieval contributions of Islamic science? Since its inception Islam has been a force for rationality and enlightened scientific study, by contrast it is the Western World which spent many centuries in regression and scientific penury, a state which it appears to still have not yet emerged from.

Quote from: Homespun-Bleach on June 17, 2010, 06:27:38 AM

Please don't get me started on Islam and the Iranian people (The majority of them).
Islam isn't a science and is surely not accurate.

Ah, I see I have offended your racist and xenophobic sensibilities. I am sorry that my enlightened tolerance does not sit easily with your senseless religious hatred.

Islamic science has a rich history, which has contributed groundbreaking work to the fields of medicine, astronomy, optics and a variety of other studies. In fact, the first university, established in Al Karaouine in the 9th Century, was a bastion of Islamic science.

Quote from: Homespun-Bleach on June 17, 2010, 06:27:38 AM

But if you look closer, it just repeats the mythology of ancient people of what we call now, the middle east.

How is this claim reconcilable with the medieval contributions of Islamic science? Since its inception Islam has been a force for rationality and enlightened scientific study, by contrast it is the Western World which spent many centuries in regression and scientific penury, a state which it appears to still have not yet emerged from.

Islamic science is different from Islam.

Islamic science has, until recently, deduced that the Earth is flat. Now it has been led astray by faith in globularist fundamentalism.

Ah, I see I have offended your racist and xenophobic sensibilities. I am sorry that my enlightened tolerance does not sit easily with your senseless religious hatred.
Islamic science has a rich history, which has contributed groundbreaking work to the fields of medicine, astronomy, optics and a variety of other studies. In fact, the first university, established in Al Karaouine in the 9th Century, was a bastion of Islamic science.

Okay to clarify things, I'm arab and I was muslim until the age of 19.
I know of what I'm talking about, so don't jump into insults, yet.
Second, The "university" you're talking about is not the first university, but a mosque school built in Morocco.
It is the second built in the Magreb after Okba's mosque in Kairouan (Tunisia).
Both of them were not teaching any science except Elm AlKalam, the science of the holy words and the recital of the Coran.
The coran, I learned it since the age of 5 and it is filled with very dangerous and agressive words.

How is this claim reconcilable with the medieval contributions of Islamic science? Since its inception Islam has been a force for rationality and enlightened scientific study, by contrast it is the Western World which spent many centuries in regression and scientific penury, a state which it appears to still have not yet emerged from.

As general disarray mentioned, the islamic science has nothing to do with the Coran.
We call the islamic science the contributions of the arab world, what you seem to not know is that most of the biggest contributors were atheists, jews and christians posing as muslims for several reasons.

I too have studied the Qu'ran, I find it to be a useful and wise document. I am not sure which parts of the Qu'ran you find to be dangerous - are they the parts which contradict globularism? I agree that these are "dangerous" to the Copernican regime, but for humanity they are a tremendous blessing because they contain scientific truths.

I am not convinced by your claim that the finest Islamic scholars were merely pretending to be Muslims. That seems to me to be as incongruent as those miscreants who claim that all the finest Western Flat Earth scholars past and present are merely pretending to believe in the Flat Earth (people do make these outlandish claims, I have been a victim of these offensive accusations on numerous occasions).

I personally believe that the brightest and best members of the Islamic scientific tradition were devout servants of Allah. Their piety no doubt kept them from the temptations of the proto-Conspiracy, whose insidious doctrines seem to have infiltrated many cultures throughout history.

It is painful to me that the noble and enlightened people of Iran have been led astray by the Conspiracy's heretical lies and false promises of space travel. The Russian Globularist enclave has merely used one of their pseudolite aircraft to broadcast a new series of satellite signals and deceive the Iranians from their otherwise worthy and accurate Islamic science.

I'll have what your having for it seems to be some good stuff. It continues to amaze me that FE believers can accept the most exceptionally far fetched in the Conspiracy files blindly following the belief that a few powerful families are able to dupe 6 billion people into believing the Earth is a Sphere to control their Empires.

Scientific evidence, round the world expeditions, plausible believable accepted idea's, the fact that people have flown, sailed, ballooned, cruised by ship around the marble many times, space travel to the ISS and the Moon, Satellites, Telescopes/Space Ships taking pictures and images of spherical planets.

But no with nary any evidence of an Ice Wall or tight knit conspirator group has ever been proven they will blindly believe what peasants and the unenlightened believed back in the dark ages for that brief slow down of advancement in the Human Progression. FE belief is akin to those that will attempt to revive the Creationist Theory again in 3-500 Years.

Globularism was believed by the vast majority of uneducated serfs during the thousands of years in which humans forgot the wise teachings of Thales and Anaximenes. In fact, Zetetic science is a modern discipline, it is cutting-edge and is replacing the outdated globularist fantasies. The modern Flat Earth theory has been growing since the mid-1800s when Dr Samuel Rowbotham published the most revolutionary scientific text in history. Get your facts straight - you are the one with the outdated beliefs.

I too have studied the Qu'ran, I find it to be a useful and wise document. I am not sure which parts of the Qu'ran you find to be dangerous - are they the parts which contradict globularism? I agree that these are "dangerous" to the Copernican regime, but for humanity they are a tremendous blessing because they contain scientific truths.

The dangerous part is the message:
-Forcing people to believe the same doctrine as you, killing others who couldn't be forced.
-Penalties to islamic law infringement.
And other things.

About the scientific truths:
The Coran contain some heavy bullshit that were forced down people's throat as truths.
And I can show you a tremendous amount of what I am talking about.
Actually a war has been raging since the beginning of the Islamic empire between madrassas because of grammar's errors in the main verses.

I am not convinced by your claim that the finest Islamic scholars were merely pretending to be Muslims. That seems to me to be as incongruent as those miscreants who claim that all the finest Western Flat Earth scholars past and present are merely pretending to believe in the Flat Earth (people do make these outlandish claims, I have been a victim of these offensive accusations on numerous occasions).

I sure can't convince you since all my sources are books written in arab or french.
But you have to know that most of scientists and writers of the arab world are originals of the newly occupied zones, like persia or north africa and were muslims for less few generations.
It is important to add the alarming disappearance of cultures and the diminished number of people living in the conquested lands.
During the short life of Carthage, there were 5 millions of berbers living all around north africa and their number dropped between the North African and South Western European arab conquests.

I personally believe that the brightest and best members of the Islamic scientific tradition were devout servants of Allah. Their piety no doubt kept them from the temptations of the proto-Conspiracy, whose insidious doctrines seem to have infiltrated many cultures throughout history.

I feel that I am talking to my entourage where I get the same responses praising devotion and fanatism.

I'm not trying to deny the huge contribution of the Islamic world since it is a part of my own heritage and history but you're walking in a mined field where lies are tightly wrapped with the actual truth.

I am competent with both French and MSA. May I see some of these sources?

I am competent with both French and MSA. May I see some of these sources?

Absolutely, you'll just have to wait that I get home from work and scan it for you.
You'll learn about the secret lives of many arab scientists and the Christian and Pagan signs dissimulated in many islamic landscapes.
The bullshit verses and the grammatical errors.

Globularism was believed by the vast majority of uneducated serfs during the thousands of years in which humans forgot the wise teachings of Thales and Anaximenes. In fact, Zetetic science is a modern discipline, it is cutting-edge and is replacing the outdated globularist fantasies. The modern Flat Earth theory has been growing since the mid-1800s when Dr Samuel Rowbotham published the most revolutionary scientific text in history. Get your facts straight - you are the one with the outdated beliefs.

A text written by a bully in the mid 1800's hardly constitutes a modern belief. 

A text written by a bully in the mid 1800's hardly constitutes a modern belief. 

Oh sure, nothing anybody wrote before 1900 can be a modern belief! Come on guys, we have to be modern! Abandon all old beliefs, regardless of their truth or falsity! 

Globularism was believed by the vast majority of uneducated serfs during the thousands of years in which humans forgot the wise teachings of Thales and Anaximenes. In fact, Zetetic science is a modern discipline, it is cutting-edge and is replacing the outdated globularist fantasies. The modern Flat Earth theory has been growing since the mid-1800s when Dr Samuel Rowbotham published the most revolutionary scientific text in history. Get your facts straight - you are the one with the outdated beliefs.

Your facts, where are they?


To quote a line out of the above:

Get your facts straight

Globularism was believed by the vast majority of uneducated serfs during the thousands of years in which humans forgot the wise teachings of Thales and Anaximenes. In fact, Zetetic science is a modern discipline, it is cutting-edge and is replacing the outdated globularist fantasies. The modern Flat Earth theory has been growing since the mid-1800s when Dr Samuel Rowbotham published the most revolutionary scientific text in history. Get your facts straight - you are the one with the outdated beliefs.

Hyperbole much?