This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.

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Nolhekh

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This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« on: June 11, 2010, 07:50:13 PM »
During early childhood, I was raised being taught many things such as: Christianity (+ existence of other religions), Creationism, Evolution, Astrology, Astronomy, that Santa Clause brings presents to your Christmas tree via flying reindeer and entry through a chimney (which my house didn't have at the time, so I was immediately sceptical on this detail).  As may be known by the reader, some of these things contradict one another, and can have a certain effect on a growing individual.  With a stance of scepticism from early on, I questioned all of these things:  How is Christianity any more true than Judaism or Islam?  How did god create humans only a few days after the rest of the earth, when dinosaurs have been around millions of years before humans?  How can the positions of stars in the sky at your birth determine your fate?  Why can't I see nebulae with my bare eyes?  Has anyone really seen a black hole?  Why is the sky blue, when prisms split light into all colours?  Why do ALL of my presents seem to come from my relatives several days before Christmas?  As Evolution, and Round-Earth Astronomy produce models consistent with my experiences in everyday life, I logically deduce that they are closer to the truth than anything else.  Any alternative models will be rejected until they explain all and more than the ones currently accepted.

As you can see, my belief in a round earth is not the result of a blind following of what I read in the textbooks and hear from teachers, but the result of years of objective analysis of all theories presented to me.  So far all attempted explanations I have encountered here are mathematically unsound or unresolved, are questions regarding my inefficient use of language, or are confusing lines of wordplay which make no impression on my mental image of the universe whatsoever.

This is why I have yet to believe in the Flat Earth Theory.

Now, because of the lack of effective explanations, arguments, or visuals for Flat Earth Theory that I have encountered on this forum, I am losing patience and interest.  If this forum is here for legitimate Flat Earth Theorists to convince people, for example, me, that the earth is not round, then I must submit that their approach to doing so is inadequate.  I did not come here to convince anyone that the earth was round, I came here to be convinced that it wasn't, and honestly, I am disappointed to have not been convinced.  My mental image of the universe is indeed a developing one, and there is room for improvement, should any be provided.  I am not here to give math lessons, or to have to carefully explain how I define every word I type.  If no-one can post an intelligent response before Monday, at midnight, EST, I will quit the forum, and conclude that those who started it have failed in their goal (if it is sincere), and to suggest to those here sincerely arguing for Round Earth Theory to also quit, as without intelligent arguments, I am finding it to be a waste of time.

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Parsifal

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Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2010, 07:51:51 PM »
If this forum is here for legitimate Flat Earth Theorists to convince people, for example, me, that the earth is not round, then I must submit that their approach to doing so is inadequate.

It's a good thing that is not the purpose of this forum, then.
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Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 07:55:13 PM »
It's a good thing that is not the purpose of this forum, then.

True that. No one is being convinced.

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Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 09:12:43 PM »
It's a good thing that is not the purpose of this forum, then.

True that. No one is being convinced.

Not even sure who believes it enough to even TRY to convince others...
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Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2010, 05:17:17 AM »
They can't even convince each other WHY it's flat
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Mr Pseudonym

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Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2010, 06:33:50 AM »
How did god create humans only a few days after the rest of the earth, when dinosaurs have been around millions of years before humans? 
How can the positions of stars in the sky at your birth determine your fate? 
 Why is the sky blue, when prisms split light into all colours? 

Can we argue these points instead?
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Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2010, 07:22:01 AM »
How did god create humans only a few days after the rest of the earth, when dinosaurs have been around millions of years before humans? 
How can the positions of stars in the sky at your birth determine your fate? 
 Why is the sky blue, when prisms split light into all colours? 

Can we argue these points instead?

We'll save those ones for levee, his explanations are so much more entertaining.
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BringerofTruth

Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2010, 02:33:09 AM »
This forum is perfectly adequate for it's true purpose which is to discredit the real flat earth movement. The notion that the Conspiracy would leave an actual flat earth website in such public view functioning is ridiculous. The Flat Earth "believers" on this website are nothing more than Conspiracy plants as anyone can see by their thorough ineffectiveness at arguing their points and ridiculous theories like animals nudging planes and poisonous moonlight.

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Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2010, 11:22:51 PM »
That is hardly the case.  Carry on, nothing to see here.

Seriously though, the purpose of these forums, as I understand it, are not to convince anyone of anything.  I believe there is a quote of Daniels that sums up the purpose.  To paraphrase, it is a place for those with alternative views to discuss those views.
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Re: This forum is inadequate. A call for serious debate.
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2010, 03:53:19 AM »
Seriously though, the purpose of these forums, as I understand it, are not to convince anyone of anything.  I believe there is a quote of Daniels that sums up the purpose.  To paraphrase, it is a place for those with alternative views to discuss those views.

How do you propose to have a discussion without some form of persuasion and consequent agreement or disagreement? One only need browse the "Srz Believers" forum to see that discussion amonst FEers leads to disagreement.

Are you permitting yourself to tell levee that "you are not here to convince him of anything"?