Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)

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Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« on: June 10, 2010, 08:26:20 AM »
This is a question just for the genuine FE believers - who are absolutely convinced that the earth is flat and their reason for believing it is valid.

Why don't many people agree with the FES in your opinion?
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 08:50:18 AM »
Simple.  FE'ers are wrong about the shape of the earth.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 07:08:18 PM »
All the arguments are completely ridiculous and made up just to support the conclusion they already made (reverse scientific method, like religion), all questions to FEers get derailed or ignored and degrade into low-content troll posts and personal attacks, and one cannot take seriously a man who argues with his ears plugged.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 09:26:16 AM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 10:37:55 AM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

That's not a qualified answer. That's just stating that most people don't believe that the earth is flat, which everyone can agree on. I asked why. Why can't people accept its flatness if it so obviously is flat?

And it's hardly a doctrine. There are no rules to follow.
I don't believe in Homeopathy, Hydroplates, Faith-healing, Acupuncture, Astrology,  ghosts, witchcraft, Intelligent Design, Cellular Cosmogony, Geocentrism, Phrenology, Séances, Dianetics or God.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 11:33:18 AM »
Many individuals in the so-called first and second tier countries are indoctrinated from an early age by globularist evangelicals.  This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

A why in any other words would smell as sweet.  (See James' answer above.)

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 11:48:12 AM »
People don't believe in the FET because there's plenty of them, each of them different in its own way - none of them explained to a degree where you'll be able to get a full understand.

Example: John Davis' is refusing to show his 15 boxes of evidence

Another thing is how the theories keep changing. It's possible to change ones point of view drastically, showing that the first thing they believed in didn't have much evidence.

Example: More and more FE'ers are changing to believe in no UA.
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 12:36:20 PM »
Everything I have seen of FET is merely an alternate explanation that makes less sense for things RET describes perfectly well. I have not seen a shred of evidence that anything in FET is a better explanation for natural phenomena than the generally accepted RET ones.
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2010, 12:53:11 PM »
Everything I have seen of FET is merely an alternate explanation that makes less sense for things RET describes perfectly well. I have not seen a shred of evidence that anything in FET is a better explanation for natural phenomena than the generally accepted RET ones.

I agree, Ockham's razor.

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The Question1

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2010, 02:52:32 PM »
Not an FE'er but.....Maybe because of the lack of concrete evidence?I mean,thier must be a dozen different FET's.

Also,does anyone else remember when they shoved "The earth is round" down your throats?Cause i don't.
« Last Edit: June 11, 2010, 02:55:03 PM by The Question1 »


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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2010, 03:04:57 PM »
During early childhood, I was raised being taught many things such as: Christianity (+existence of other religions), Creationism, Evolution, Astrology, Astronomy, that Santa brings presents to your christmas tree via flying raindeer and entry through a chimney (which my house didn't have at the time, so I was immediately skeptical on this detail).  As may be known by the reader, some of these things contradict one another, and can have a certain effect on a growing individual.  With a stance of skepticism from early on, I questioned all of these things:  How is christianity any more true than Judaism or Islam?  How did god create humans only a few days after the rest of the earth, when dinosaurs have been around millions of years before humans?  How can the positions of stars in the sky at your birth determine your fate?  Why can't I see nebulae with my bare eyes?  Has anyone really seen a black hole?  Why is the sky blue, when prisms split light into all colours?  Why do ALL of my presents seem to come from my relatives several days before Christmas?  As Evolution, and Round-Earth Astronomy produce models consistent with my experiences in everyday life, I logically deduce that they are closer to the truth than anything else.  Any alternative models will be rejected until they explain all and more than the ones currently accepted.

As you can see, my belief in a round earth is not the result of a blind following of what I read in the textbooks and hear from teachers, but the result of years of objective analysis of all theories presented to me.  So far all attempted explanations I have encountered here are mathematically unsound or unresolved, are questions regarding my inefficient use of language, or are confusing lines of wordplay which make no impression on my mental image of the universe whatsoever.

This is why I have yet to believe in the Flat Earth Theory.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 05:01:56 PM »
Another reason is comparing these two..

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39492.0

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=37962.0
Its a shame more people went to jacks thread,but only 2 FE'ers posted in mine(with very few posts..)

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2010, 06:45:13 PM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

Brainwashing people to not see the flatness of the earth would akin to brainwashing people to not see the fnords.
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fnord#The_Illuminatus.21_Trilogy
In these novels, the interjection "fnord" is given hypnotic power over the unenlightened. Under the Illuminati program, children in grade school are taught to be unable to consciously see the word "fnord". For the rest of their lives, every appearance of the word subconsciously generates a feeling of uneasiness and confusion, and prevents rational consideration of the subject. This results in a perpetual low-grade state of fear in the populace. The Government acts on the premise that a fearful populace keeps them in power.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2010, 06:59:03 PM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

Most schools welcome guest speakers. Good luck.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2010, 06:31:52 AM »
People don't believe in a flat earth because it has aspects for which there is no explanation. Round earth explains every single observable phenomenon. Flat earth can't. It's that simple.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2010, 10:49:26 AM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

Most schools welcome guest speakers. Good luck.

Too bad any FE'ers would likely get shot down by any highschooler with a decent education.

Trolling makes me angry.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2010, 10:56:18 AM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

Most schools welcome guest speakers. Good luck.

Too bad any FE'ers would likely get shot down by any highschooler with a decent education.
You could lie and say your speaking to help the students develop their skills of skepticism. Then Hit um hard with the truth!
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2010, 11:03:10 AM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

Most schools welcome guest speakers. Good luck.

Too bad any FE'ers would likely get shot down by any highschooler with a decent education.
You could lie and say your speaking to help the students develop their skills of skepticism. Then Hit um hard with the truth!

If only I could understand what you just said.

Trolling makes me angry.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2010, 11:07:12 AM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

Most schools welcome guest speakers. Good luck.

Too bad any FE'ers would likely get shot down by any highschooler with a decent education.
You could lie and say your speaking to help the students develop their skills of skepticism. Then Hit um hard with the truth!

If only I could understand what you just said.
Oh I can come up with more complex ways of phrasing stuff than that. That is a pretty simple statement. But, Here is not the place to do that. I'll try to stay more on topic.
Vongeo is a wanker, he wears a wanker hat; he always smells like urine and he thinks the Earth is flat.

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The Question1

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2010, 11:55:03 AM »
Most people in the developed world are brainwashed from birth by the insidious doctrines of globularism. This is why many people are not Flat Earth believers.

Most schools welcome guest speakers. Good luck.

Too bad any FE'ers would likely get shot down by any highschooler with a decent education.
You could lie and say your speaking to help the students develop their skills of skepticism. Then Hit um hard with the truth!

If only I could understand what you just said.
He is saying that james could pose as someone trying to get kids to question the world.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2010, 02:28:48 PM »
He is saying that james could pose as someone trying to get kids to question the world.

I doubt James could pose as anyone except a frothing madman. Perhaps John Davis would be more convincing.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2010, 05:13:33 PM »
Round Earth Theory does not explain observable phenomena. See: Bedford Canal Experiment.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2010, 07:44:42 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2010, 06:17:06 PM »
Round Earth Theory does not explain observable phenomenon. See: Bedford Canal Experiment.

Actually, atmospheric refractive phenomena, such as ducting or looming, could explain the Bedford Levels Experiment. 

Now how does FET explain the appearance of the the sun setting below the horizon?  Oh, that's right.  A misinterpretation of perspective.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2010, 06:27:53 PM »
Round Earth Theory does not explain observable phenomenon. See: Bedford Canal Experiment.

Actually, atmospheric refractive phenomena, such as ducting or looming, could explain the Bedford Levels Experiment. 

Now how does FET explain the appearance of the the sun setting below the horizon?  Oh, that's right.  A misinterpretation of perspective.
Actually, atmospheric refractive phenomena could explain the misinterpretation of perspective.
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2010, 06:29:43 PM »
Round Earth Theory does not explain observable phenomenon. See: Bedford Canal Experiment.
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Actually, atmospheric refractive phenomena, such as ducting or looming, could explain the Bedford Levels Experiment.
As markjo has explained, the bedford canal experiment did not show the curvature of the earth due to the atmospheric refraction of light around the curvature. This same concept of refraction is responsible for why the moon turns red when it's expected to be in complete shadow during a lunar eclipse

The appearance of planets to orbit the sun, and of the Earth to follow them, and of the moon to orbit the earth, points to Earth being a body which can be orbited, for example, not an infinite plane.  The fact that different parts of the world observe the same positions of celestial bodies, but only at different times of the day, point to different parts of the world being oriented opposite each other, with no apparent "edges," and that the earth rotates with a frequency of once per 24 hours.  From this the earth can be concluded to be roughly spherical in shape.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2010, 06:32:06 PM »
Actually, atmospheric refractive phenomena could explain the misinterpretation of perspective.

It can, but to the extent of sunrises and sunsets, it does not.

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2010, 06:54:36 PM »
Round Earth Theory does not explain observable phenomenon. See: Bedford Canal Experiment.
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Actually, atmospheric refractive phenomena, such as ducting or looming, could explain the Bedford Levels Experiment.
As markjo has explained, the bedford canal experiment did not show the curvature of the earth due to the atmospheric refraction of light around the curvature. This same concept of refraction is responsible for why the moon turns red when it's expected to be in complete shadow during a lunar eclipse

The appearance of planets to orbit the sun, and of the Earth to follow them, and of the moon to orbit the earth, points to Earth being a body which can be orbited, for example, not an infinite plane.  The fact that different parts of the world observe the same positions of celestial bodies, but only at different times of the day, point to different parts of the world being oriented opposite each other, with no apparent "edges," and that the earth rotates with a frequency of once per 24 hours.  From this the earth can be concluded to be roughly spherical in shape.
Yeah, it's a finite plane.

Actually, atmospheric refractive phenomena could explain the misinterpretation of perspective.

It can, but to the extent of sunrises and sunsets, it does not.
Your two posts contradict each other.
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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2010, 06:58:28 PM »
Actually, atmospheric refractive phenomena could explain the misinterpretation of perspective.

It can, but to the extent of sunrises and sunsets, it does not.
Your two posts contradict each other.
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How so? 

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Re: Why DON'T people believe in FE? (question to FE'ers)
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2010, 07:14:21 PM »
Apparently these phenomena would affect how we perceive everything to a very major extent, but not the Sun. Because the Sun is special.
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