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Do you believe humans are immortal?

Absolutely not.
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Yes.
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About humans and immortality...

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kwstas

About humans and immortality...
« on: June 08, 2010, 09:14:50 AM »
We have taken on a strong possition of the no option. We have believed it is a great sin for humans to believe in immortality. Increase occurs and curing and we believe in longer life, but evidently death shall occur to all. We search very seriously the way for longer living. Platon stated through Socrates (Ysokrates)on the greatness and of the dying, having fulfilled a good life...

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2010, 03:19:25 PM »
I think that this belongs in the religion and philosophy forum.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2010, 05:10:08 PM »
It does belong in the religion and philosophy forum.  But since it'll likely be moved there I want to add my 2 cents...

I hate the idea of immortality.  Oh sure, it's fun for the first hundred thousand years.  Maybe even million but how long before you just get tired of it?  How long before you learn everything, see everything, DO everything? 

Life has a point because it has an end.  If life has no end, what's the point?
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2010, 05:58:40 PM »
I think that this belongs in the religion and philosophy forum.

Indeed.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2010, 06:02:10 PM »
We have taken on a strong possition of the no option. We have believed it is a great sin for humans to believe in immortality. Increase occurs and curing and we believe in longer life, but evidently death shall occur to all. We search very seriously the way for longer living. Platon stated through Socrates (Ysokrates)on the greatness and of the dying, having fulfilled a good life...

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2010, 06:21:32 PM »
Don't ya hate it when newbies make threads in which the OP makes little sense?

Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2010, 06:40:26 PM »
It does belong in the religion and philosophy forum.  But since it'll likely be moved there I want to add my 2 cents...

I hate the idea of immortality.  Oh sure, it's fun for the first hundred thousand years.  Maybe even million but how long before you just get tired of it?  How long before you learn everything, see everything, DO everything? 

Life has a point because it has an end.  If life has no end, what's the point?

Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I was a few googolplex years old, but at the moment I can't really imagine a future where I would prefer to not exist.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2010, 07:09:05 PM »
It does belong in the religion and philosophy forum.  But since it'll likely be moved there I want to add my 2 cents...

I hate the idea of immortality.  Oh sure, it's fun for the first hundred thousand years.  Maybe even million but how long before you just get tired of it?  How long before you learn everything, see everything, DO everything? 

Life has a point because it has an end.  If life has no end, what's the point?

Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I was a few googolplex years old, but at the moment I can't really imagine a future where I would prefer to not exist.

That's one of my problems: I can imagine the very, very, very distant future.  A future where I've done everything, seen everything, heard everything...
I'm an explorer... what if there's nothing left to explore?
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2010, 08:07:43 AM »
We exist as long as the universe does, after all when 'we' die we are simply reborn as the insects and vegetation and microorganisms who eat us.

The human consciousness, however, is most certainly not immortal.

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2010, 08:23:50 AM »
It does belong in the religion and philosophy forum.  But since it'll likely be moved there I want to add my 2 cents...

I hate the idea of immortality.  Oh sure, it's fun for the first hundred thousand years.  Maybe even million but how long before you just get tired of it?  How long before you learn everything, see everything, DO everything? 

Life has a point because it has an end.  If life has no end, what's the point?

Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I was a few googolplex years old, but at the moment I can't really imagine a future where I would prefer to not exist.

That's one of my problems: I can imagine the very, very, very distant future.  A future where I've done everything, seen everything, heard everything...
I'm an explorer... what if there's nothing left to explore?

I doubt their will be nothing left to explore. Space is huge. And it is probably a lot huger than we can even see from the earth since we are limited to how far we can see for the fact that (In RE at least) the Universe at a certain point is expanding faster than light, which means there is a barrier to how far we can even see. I doubt you will ever live long enough to see everything.

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2010, 09:59:42 AM »
It does belong in the religion and philosophy forum.  But since it'll likely be moved there I want to add my 2 cents...

I hate the idea of immortality.  Oh sure, it's fun for the first hundred thousand years.  Maybe even million but how long before you just get tired of it?  How long before you learn everything, see everything, DO everything? 

Life has a point because it has an end.  If life has no end, what's the point?

Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I was a few googolplex years old, but at the moment I can't really imagine a future where I would prefer to not exist.

That's one of my problems: I can imagine the very, very, very distant future.  A future where I've done everything, seen everything, heard everything...
I'm an explorer... what if there's nothing left to explore?

I doubt their will be nothing left to explore. Space is huge. And it is probably a lot huger than we can even see from the earth since we are limited to how far we can see for the fact that (In RE at least) the Universe at a certain point is expanding faster than light, which means there is a barrier to how far we can even see. I doubt you will ever live long enough to see everything.

But that's the problem with immortality, if it takes you a pentrillion years to see everything then there is still an infinity ahead of you, and let's be honest after you'd seen in detail a billion galaxies you'd probably be sick to death of them.

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2010, 10:06:05 AM »
If I could live forever, I would.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2010, 10:23:56 AM »
If I could live forever, I would.

This, fuck consequences.

And if worst comes to worst, I'd terraform a planet to be a perpetual drug supply. Heroin with no chance of overdose should literally take up an infinite amount of time.

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2010, 11:07:04 AM »
If I could live forever, I would.

This, fuck consequences.

And if worst comes to worst, I'd terraform a planet to be a perpetual drug supply. An infinite supply of heroin with no chance of overdose should literally take up an infinite amount of time.
Fix'd. I'd choose more synthetic drugs though.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2010, 11:09:21 AM »
I would LIVE forever by living above the influence.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2010, 11:26:31 AM »
Poll needs more options. I'd say "almost certainly not" but I'll choose the NO option.

A lot of people say the lack of an afterlife takes the poetry and beauty out of this life. I find the fact that I'm a lucky product of millions of years of natural selection, and that when I die I'll dissapate back from whence I came, beautiful enough.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2010, 11:32:20 AM »
It does belong in the religion and philosophy forum.  But since it'll likely be moved there I want to add my 2 cents...

I hate the idea of immortality.  Oh sure, it's fun for the first hundred thousand years.  Maybe even million but how long before you just get tired of it?  How long before you learn everything, see everything, DO everything? 

Life has a point because it has an end.  If life has no end, what's the point?

Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I was a few googolplex years old, but at the moment I can't really imagine a future where I would prefer to not exist.

That's one of my problems: I can imagine the very, very, very distant future.  A future where I've done everything, seen everything, heard everything...
I'm an explorer... what if there's nothing left to explore?

I doubt their will be nothing left to explore. Space is huge. And it is probably a lot huger than we can even see from the earth since we are limited to how far we can see for the fact that (In RE at least) the Universe at a certain point is expanding faster than light, which means there is a barrier to how far we can even see. I doubt you will ever live long enough to see everything.

But that's the problem with immortality, if it takes you a pentrillion years to see everything then there is still an infinity ahead of you, and let's be honest after you'd seen in detail a billion galaxies you'd probably be sick to death of them.

Untrue, if it took a billion years to find Pandora after seeing a million earths, i'd be like FUCK YA, what else is in the universe?

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2010, 11:39:32 AM »
What would you do when the universe dies?  It's only got so much energy it can produce.  We have to face the fact that our sun will run out of fuel to power it's fusion reaction, then we'd have to find another solar system to live in, powered by another star, which also will die, and so on.

What if you got stuck in a black hole, unable to be crushed due to your immortality, but also unable to escape, while the effects of general relativity cause the rest of time in the universe to accelerate to the point where you watch stars explode, and galaxies fade to blackness in the blink of an eye?

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2010, 11:48:07 AM »
What if you got stuck in a black hole, unable to be crushed due to your immortality, but also unable to escape, while the effects of general relativity cause the rest of time in the universe to accelerate to the point where you watch stars explode, and galaxies fade to blackness in the blink of an eye?

Masturbation. Lots and lots of it.

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2010, 01:02:32 PM »
What would you do when the universe dies?  It's only got so much energy it can produce.  We have to face the fact that our sun will run out of fuel to power it's fusion reaction, then we'd have to find another solar system to live in, powered by another star, which also will die, and so on.

What if you got stuck in a black hole, unable to be crushed due to your immortality, but also unable to escape, while the effects of general relativity cause the rest of time in the universe to accelerate to the point where you watch stars explode, and galaxies fade to blackness in the blink of an eye?

Ever read 'The last Question' by Asimov?

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2010, 01:12:59 PM »
What would you do when the universe dies?  It's only got so much energy it can produce.  We have to face the fact that our sun will run out of fuel to power it's fusion reaction, then we'd have to find another solar system to live in, powered by another star, which also will die, and so on.

What if you got stuck in a black hole, unable to be crushed due to your immortality, but also unable to escape, while the effects of general relativity cause the rest of time in the universe to accelerate to the point where you watch stars explode, and galaxies fade to blackness in the blink of an eye?

Ever read 'The last Question' by Asimov?

I have.  I found it most enlightening.

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2010, 01:16:53 PM »
First off, I'd like to state my admiration for EnglshGentlemen's non-existent refractory period and his immunity to friction burns.

Next i'd like to say eternity is bad full stop. Living forever: boredom. If you're in a great place, remember it only has a finite life. Then you've got to wait millions of years in absolute nothingness before another universe forms. Sounds dull.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2010, 01:28:57 PM »
It does belong in the religion and philosophy forum.  But since it'll likely be moved there I want to add my 2 cents...

I hate the idea of immortality.  Oh sure, it's fun for the first hundred thousand years.  Maybe even million but how long before you just get tired of it?  How long before you learn everything, see everything, DO everything? 

Life has a point because it has an end.  If life has no end, what's the point?

Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I was a few googolplex years old, but at the moment I can't really imagine a future where I would prefer to not exist.

That's one of my problems: I can imagine the very, very, very distant future.  A future where I've done everything, seen everything, heard everything...
I'm an explorer... what if there's nothing left to explore?

I doubt their will be nothing left to explore. Space is huge. And it is probably a lot huger than we can even see from the earth since we are limited to how far we can see for the fact that (In RE at least) the Universe at a certain point is expanding faster than light, which means there is a barrier to how far we can even see. I doubt you will ever live long enough to see everything.

But that's the problem with immortality, if it takes you a pentrillion years to see everything then there is still an infinity ahead of you, and let's be honest after you'd seen in detail a billion galaxies you'd probably be sick to death of them.

Untrue, if it took a billion years to find Pandora after seeing a million earths, i'd be like FUCK YA, what else is in the universe?

And what happens when you literally see EVERYTHING possible and, in 10 trillion years, when all the stars burn out and you're the only thing in the universe, floating on rocks as they slowly spiral into black holes lightyears away... what are you going to do?  Masturbation can only go so far. :P  Especially when there is no longer any porn. :P
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2010, 01:40:55 PM »
HAVE SEX WITH A BLACK HOLE.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2010, 01:42:06 PM »
HAVE SEX WITH A BLACK HOLE.

Sounds...painful. Especially if you're a guy.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2010, 01:53:33 PM »
HAVE SEX WITH A BLACK HOLE.

Sounds...painful. Especially if you're a guy.

Then you can spend eternity crushed to the size of an atom, but still unable to die.

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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2010, 02:08:08 PM »
HAVE SEX WITH A BLACK HOLE.

Sounds...painful. Especially if you're a guy.

Then you can spend eternity crushed to the size of an atom, but still unable to die.
If you're still conscious, you'd be able to see all of the universe at the same time.
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2010, 02:16:38 PM »
HAVE SEX WITH A BLACK HOLE.

Sounds...painful. Especially if you're a guy.

Then you can spend eternity crushed to the size of an atom, but still unable to die.

That's a good question:
Can you be crushed to the size of an atom and be consious or is your body semi-indestructable, like whatever would kill you simply isn't able to so you're in a very squashed position that you can't move but your body isn't crushed to the size of an atom....

I guess it depends on the immortality and how it works.  The one Jack has on Doctor Who/Torchwood is probably your best bet: Your body is indestructible but you still feel pain. 
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Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2010, 02:41:24 PM »
It does belong in the religion and philosophy forum.  But since it'll likely be moved there I want to add my 2 cents...

I hate the idea of immortality.  Oh sure, it's fun for the first hundred thousand years.  Maybe even million but how long before you just get tired of it?  How long before you learn everything, see everything, DO everything? 

Life has a point because it has an end.  If life has no end, what's the point?

Maybe I'd have a different opinion if I was a few googolplex years old, but at the moment I can't really imagine a future where I would prefer to not exist.

That's one of my problems: I can imagine the very, very, very distant future.  A future where I've done everything, seen everything, heard everything...
I'm an explorer... what if there's nothing left to explore?

I doubt their will be nothing left to explore. Space is huge. And it is probably a lot huger than we can even see from the earth since we are limited to how far we can see for the fact that (In RE at least) the Universe at a certain point is expanding faster than light, which means there is a barrier to how far we can even see. I doubt you will ever live long enough to see everything.

But that's the problem with immortality, if it takes you a pentrillion years to see everything then there is still an infinity ahead of you, and let's be honest after you'd seen in detail a billion galaxies you'd probably be sick to death of them.

Untrue, if it took a billion years to find Pandora after seeing a million earths, i'd be like FUCK YA, what else is in the universe?
Masturbation can only go so far. :P  Especially when there is no longer any porn. :P

If you have lived for billions of years, I'm sure there will be no need for porn since you've done so much.
You'd probably have an extensive variety of tastes too.

Re: About humans and immortality...
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2010, 07:25:48 PM »
We exist as long as the universe does, after all when 'we' die we are simply reborn as the insects and vegetation and microorganisms who eat us.

The human consciousness, however, is most certainly not immortal.

You would have to convince me first that God is not real.
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