A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2010, 04:53:14 PM »
How?  If the compass needle is pointing north, and you keep the needle pointing BEHIND you, you are heading south.  Try reading some simple orienteering books.  Do you need a diagram?

The needle doesn't point north, the needle aligns itself with the local magnetic field. To keep magnetic north behind you, you need to walk in the direction that the magnetic south pole of the compass is pointing. Which type of magnetic pole attracts a magnetic south pole?
OK, use whatever method you want, just start at the north pole, head south, when you pass the south pole, and keep heading south, as this map suggests, what's gonna happen when you run off the edge?

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2010, 04:55:32 PM »
Far from troling, Parsifal is demonstrating an understanding of basic concepts that most of you appear not to understand. The best way to understand this is to imagine that the 'lattitude' and 'longitude' lines are the magnetic field lines (though this is not strictly accurate). Travelling North involves following the field lines, not heading in a fixed direction.
You finally post in this thread and you don't even answer the question???  Well, you dodged it earlier, but you never followed up to my rebuttal.

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He answers!  Perhaps you should modify the map I posted?  You know, showing instead of a definitive edge, some sort of "gray area".  As for the navigation, your map suggests that one could use to travel due south, then across the south pole, and then on to the "edge/gray area".  On a globe, once you cross the south pole, you are then heading north, on your map, you are still heading south.  I guess this is where you're going to exclaim, "It's an incomplete map!"

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2010, 05:51:46 PM »
OK, use whatever method you want, just start at the north pole, head south, when you pass the south pole, and keep heading south, as this map suggests, what's gonna happen when you run off the edge?

You can't travel south from the south pole. If you could, it wouldn't be the south pole.
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2010, 06:45:17 PM »
OK, use whatever method you want, just start at the north pole, head south, when you pass the south pole, and keep heading south, as this map suggests, what's gonna happen when you run off the edge?

You can't travel south from the south pole. If you could, it wouldn't be the south pole.
Look, jack ass!  Take a long hard look at this map.

See that friggin red line?  Start at the top of it, and go to the end of it.  Notice how this map allows you to pass that white island we call Antarctica and keep going in the SAME DIRECTION???  I'm asking what happens when you reach the edge of THIS MAP!  We're not talking about magnetic north, magnetic south or any of that other crap you keep using to derail the thread.  Just take a stab at explaining what would happen when you reached the edge.  That's it.  If you can handle that without acting like a twit, we'll move on to the other question in my OP.

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #94 on: June 11, 2010, 06:51:18 PM »
See that friggin red line?  Start at the top of it, and go to the end of it.  Notice how this map allows you to pass that white island we call Antarctica and keep going in the SAME DIRECTION???  I'm asking what happens when you reach the edge of THIS MAP!  We're not talking about magnetic north, magnetic south or any of that other crap you keep using to derail the thread.  Just take a stab at explaining what would happen when you reached the edge.  That's it.  If you can handle that without acting like a twit, we'll move on to the other question in my OP.

Wilmore already answered that for you, two pages ago:

First, what lies beyond the known Earth is, rather unsurprisingly, unknown. There may be an ice sheet, there may be continents and landmasses, who knows? There is no point just making things up. The extent of the Outer Ocean has yet to be ascertained.
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #95 on: June 11, 2010, 07:04:57 PM »
See that friggin red line?  Start at the top of it, and go to the end of it.  Notice how this map allows you to pass that white island we call Antarctica and keep going in the SAME DIRECTION???  I'm asking what happens when you reach the edge of THIS MAP!  We're not talking about magnetic north, magnetic south or any of that other crap you keep using to derail the thread.  Just take a stab at explaining what would happen when you reached the edge.  That's it.  If you can handle that without acting like a twit, we'll move on to the other question in my OP.

Wilmore already answered that for you, two pages ago:

First, what lies beyond the known Earth is, rather unsurprisingly, unknown. There may be an ice sheet, there may be continents and landmasses, who knows? There is no point just making things up. The extent of the Outer Ocean has yet to be ascertained.
To which I replied...
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He answers!  Perhaps you should modify the map I posted?  You know, showing instead of a definitive edge, some sort of "gray area".  As for the navigation, your map suggests that one could use to travel due south, then across the south pole, and then on to the "edge/gray area".  On a globe, once you cross the south pole, you are then heading north, on your map, you are still heading south.  I guess this is where you're going to exclaim, "It's an incomplete map!"
At which point he had nothing more to say.  See, the problem with his answer is that, at this point, we have explored a vast amount of the surface of this planet.  Someone would have been to the edge by now.

On to the second part of my problem with this map.  What holds the water in?

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #96 on: June 11, 2010, 07:14:45 PM »
To which I replied...
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He answers!  Perhaps you should modify the map I posted?  You know, showing instead of a definitive edge, some sort of "gray area".  As for the navigation, your map suggests that one could use to travel due south, then across the south pole, and then on to the "edge/gray area".  On a globe, once you cross the south pole, you are then heading north, on your map, you are still heading south.  I guess this is where you're going to exclaim, "It's an incomplete map!"
At which point he had nothing more to say.  See, the problem with his answer is that, at this point, we have explored a vast amount of the surface of this planet.  Someone would have been to the edge by now.

"A vast amount" does not mean the same thing as "all".

On to the second part of my problem with this map.  What holds the water in?

If what is outside it is unknown, how do you expect anyone to know the answer to that?
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« Reply #97 on: June 11, 2010, 07:44:23 PM »
To which I replied...
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He answers!  Perhaps you should modify the map I posted?  You know, showing instead of a definitive edge, some sort of "gray area".  As for the navigation, your map suggests that one could use to travel due south, then across the south pole, and then on to the "edge/gray area".  On a globe, once you cross the south pole, you are then heading north, on your map, you are still heading south.  I guess this is where you're going to exclaim, "It's an incomplete map!"
At which point he had nothing more to say.  See, the problem with his answer is that, at this point, we have explored a vast amount of the surface of this planet.  Someone would have been to the edge by now.

"A vast amount" does not mean the same thing as "all".

On to the second part of my problem with this map.  What holds the water in?

If what is outside it is unknown, how do you expect anyone to know the answer to that?
Than I guess that makes this map a failure.

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2010, 07:45:52 PM »
Than I guess that makes this map a failure.

Is the RE model a failure because the details of its interior are unknown?
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2010, 07:55:00 PM »
Than I guess that makes this map a failure.

Is the RE model a failure because the details of its interior are unknown?
No, because it's not a map of the Earth's interior, it's a map of it's surface.  This is a map of what some think the flat Earth's surface looks like.  It has been proven wrong.

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #100 on: June 11, 2010, 07:55:18 PM »
Than I guess that makes this map a failure.

Is the RE model a failure because the details of its interior are unknown?

The interior of the earth is actually pretty well known at this point.
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #101 on: June 11, 2010, 09:21:17 PM »
No, because it's not a map of the Earth's interior, it's a map of it's surface.  This is a map of what some think the flat Earth's surface looks like.  It has been proven wrong.

Similarly, this thread isn't about a map of the Earth's surface, it's a map of part of its surface.

The interior of the earth is actually pretty well known at this point.

Incorrect.
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #102 on: June 11, 2010, 11:42:12 PM »
No, because it's not a map of the Earth's interior, it's a map of it's surface.  This is a map of what some think the flat Earth's surface looks like.  It has been proven wrong.

Similarly, this thread isn't about a map of the Earth's surface, it's a map of part of its surface.

The interior of the earth is actually pretty well known at this point.

Incorrect.

uhmm, yes it is. maybe you were never taught its composition, but I'm sure a quick trip to the library will disabuse you

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #103 on: June 12, 2010, 01:05:58 AM »
Don't feed the trolls guys..

Anyway, whether the interior is unknown or not. Like Sliver said, this is not about the interior; it's about the surface.

If someone provides a map, it gives the viewer the impression that that person knows what is located on that surface. When that viewer then proceeds to ask the provider questions about the map and it turns out that an essential part of the map (the outer ring, which determines its shape) is unknown, it undermines the credibility of the map.

That does not mean the map is incorrect; it simply is fair to ask questions about it and it's fair to be surprised when there are great unknown areas on it. Speculating that someone else's map is incorrect because there are might be unknown areas outside of the portrayed surface of the map is rubbish. The RE map is not showing the inside, and even if it did it is no valid argument to defend hiates in the FE map.

So.. it is unknown what is on the outer ring of this FE map.
Therefor nobody knows what happens if you would succeed in following the red line because and apparently nobody did.
Also, it is unknown what holds the water in.

Let's get on with your next question, Sliver. I'm curious to see if anyone knows the answer to that one..
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #104 on: June 12, 2010, 01:25:33 AM »
uhmm, yes it is. maybe you were never taught its composition, but I'm sure a quick trip to the library will disabuse you

Who has visited the interior of the Earth and made measurements of its composition?

If someone provides a map, it gives the viewer the impression that that person knows what is located on that surface. When that viewer then proceeds to ask the provider questions about the map and it turns out that an essential part of the map (the outer ring, which determines its shape) is unknown, it undermines the credibility of the map.

This implies that every map of a local area has its credibility undermined, by not representing areas outside of that.
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #105 on: June 12, 2010, 01:50:34 AM »
uhmm, yes it is. maybe you were never taught its composition, but I'm sure a quick trip to the library will disabuse you

Who has visited the interior of the Earth and made measurements of its composition?

If someone provides a map, it gives the viewer the impression that that person knows what is located on that surface. When that viewer then proceeds to ask the provider questions about the map and it turns out that an essential part of the map (the outer ring, which determines its shape) is unknown, it undermines the credibility of the map.

This implies that every map of a local area has its credibility undermined, by not representing areas outside of that.

No, not if that map is not claiming to show the surrounding area.
Now if the map is claiming to be a part of a global mapping system and that other local maps will help you see the area beyond what this one is showing you.. and that area would not be what it shows on the other local maps... yes, then that local map's credibility would be undermined.
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« Reply #106 on: June 12, 2010, 02:09:35 AM »
No, not if that map is not claiming to show the surrounding area.

Then we don't have any problem with this map.
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #107 on: June 12, 2010, 03:57:13 AM »
No, not if that map is not claiming to show the surrounding area.

Then we don't have any problem with this map.
OK, so we got a step further.. do you mean to say that this map is showing only the known flat earth and there might be parts of the earth outside of it.. but they are unknown. Just like the old maps created by for example the romans.
I'm ok with that.
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« Reply #108 on: June 12, 2010, 06:41:27 AM »
Than I guess that makes this map a failure.

Is the RE model a failure because the details of its interior are unknown?

The interior of the earth is actually pretty well known at this point.
That's right.  Jules Vern wrote a book about it.
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« Reply #109 on: June 12, 2010, 08:34:59 AM »
uhmm, yes it is. maybe you were never taught its composition, but I'm sure a quick trip to the library will disabuse you

Who has visited the interior of the Earth and made measurements of its composition?

Seismic surveyors working with mining and drilling companies.  It's amazing what you can learn with the creative use of explosives.
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #110 on: June 12, 2010, 10:20:52 AM »
Seismic surveyors working with mining and drilling companies.  It's amazing what you can learn with the creative use of explosives.
So they actually swam around in the core of the Earth? Is that available to tourists yet?
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #111 on: June 12, 2010, 10:22:22 AM »
Seismic surveyors working with mining and drilling companies.  It's amazing what you can learn with the creative use of explosives.
So they actually swam around in the core of the Earth? Is that available to tourists yet?


Zing, that was a good one.  RET has a pretty good idea of what the Earth is made of; FET knows nothing.  And you wonder why more people don't believe in FET...

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #112 on: June 12, 2010, 10:34:52 AM »
OK, so we got a step further.. do you mean to say that this map is showing only the known flat earth and there might be parts of the earth outside of it.. but they are unknown. Just like the old maps created by for example the romans.
I'm ok with that.

I had thought that was self-explanatory from Wilmore's post.

Seismic surveyors working with mining and drilling companies.  It's amazing what you can learn with the creative use of explosives.
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_seismology
Reflection seismology (or seismic reflection) is a method of exploration geophysics that uses the principles of seismology to estimate the properties of the Earth's subsurface from reflected seismic waves. The method requires a controlled seismic source of energy, such as dynamite/Tovex, a specialized air gun or a seismic vibrator, commonly known by the trademark name Vibroseis. By noting the time it takes for a reflection to arrive at a receiver, it is possible to estimate the depth of the feature that generated the reflection. In this way, reflection seismology is similar to sonar and echolocation.

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #113 on: June 12, 2010, 10:36:29 AM »
You've made quite a bold statement there. *wink*
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« Reply #114 on: June 12, 2010, 10:37:27 AM »
I have emboldened the important word for you.

'Estimate' is much better than 'I have no clue'

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« Reply #115 on: June 12, 2010, 10:40:43 AM »
It pretty much means "not confirmed or proven in any way".
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« Reply #116 on: June 12, 2010, 10:42:44 AM »
It pretty much means "not confirmed or proven in any way".

Just like every aspect of FET.
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« Reply #117 on: June 12, 2010, 10:43:03 AM »

'Estimate' is much better than 'I have no clue'

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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #118 on: June 12, 2010, 10:44:25 AM »
It pretty much means "not confirmed or proven in any way".

Just like every aspect of FET.
Or RET for that matter.


'Estimate' is much better than 'I have no clue'
Unless it turns out to be wrong at some point in time.
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Re: A Few Issues With the OTHER FES Map
« Reply #119 on: June 12, 2010, 10:46:59 AM »
Or RET for that matter.

We have plenty of evidence; you just brush it off, ignore it, or deem it "spawned from the Conspiracy".

Unless it turns out to be wrong at some point in time.

Well, until you prove it wrong at some point in time, 'estimate' is much more sufficient than 'I have no clue'.

Trolling makes me angry.