Obama hates black people.

No one said anything about destiny, and I doubt Beno believes in fate.

That you can't recognize what an accomplishment it is to make something of yourself after growing up impoverished is really bizarre. 

Maybe there won't be so many crackheads filling up the prisons now http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/28/AR2010072802969.html?hpid=topnews

Quote from: Benocrates on July 28, 2010, 08:46:57 AM

lulwut?

You said......

Quote from: Benocrates on July 27, 2010, 09:36:33 PM

Stop being a bigoted faggot

So I said.....

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 28, 2010, 05:02:54 AM

You can insult me all you want.

I will admit I read some of your post wrong.  So the stereotype comment didnt fit.  I concede.

What I will tell you is all this psychobabble bullshit is just that...bullshit.  Its the language of losers. 

This is the most important part of your whole post....

Quote from: Benocrates on July 27, 2010, 09:36:33 PM

I went to school with people who didn't have the same easy road as I did, and they deserved a hell of a lot more respect than I do.

I dont think they deserve any more respect than anyone else.  The point being that they accomplished the same thing you did regardless of where they came from or what hardships they had to overcome to do so.  I can't believe you honestly think people are just born to be destined for failure....a life of crime, rape and murder.  We might as well just start cruising ghettos and shooting children in the head that have crack whores for moms.  Its got to be for the greater good....less crime...less people in prison...less cost and burden on society...may actually save a few lives down the road.


I have black friends.  I'm not against blacks.  I'm against current day blacks saying that they are stilled owed something for something that happened 200 years ago.  I am against law breakers (just so happens they commit alot of crime).  I am against corruption in high ranking officials...and we all know there are white ones in congress right now.  I am against someone that doesnt think he can get anywhere because his mom is a crack whore, and those that cater to those adults that make excuses for where they are in life because of their childhood issues.  Yes it may be tougher as a child, IE abuse or what not, but at a certain point that child grows up and begins to make his own decisions.   

Alright, so I was pissed when I said you were being a faggot, and I used it in the Louis C.K. manner. But beyond that, I'm not going to continue this ridiculous debate when you start talking about 'psychobabble bullshit'. You literally sound like an ignorant redneck, and those types of people can't be reasoned with. Your mind is closed and I don't think spacey or I can change that. If anything I'll pity you, and hope that you can open your eyes to the world as it really is, instead of how it appears to you.

Alright, so I was pissed when I said you were being a faggot, and I used it in the Louis C.K. manner. But beyond that, I'm not going to continue this ridiculous debate when you start talking about 'psychobabble bullshit'. You literally sound like an ignorant redneck, and those types of people can't be reasoned with. Your mind is closed and I don't think spacey or I can change that. If anything I'll pity you, and hope that you can open your eyes to the world as it really is, instead of how it appears to you.

Thats because alot of it is psychobabble bullshit.  Its the same crap that puts 7-10 year olds on drugs to combat "ADHD" which in turn caused them to kill themselves.  Over diagnosed bullshit.  If it really is a disorder at all. 

Its funny you choose to end the debate.  Like you were waiting for some revelation from me to change your mind on the subject.  Im sure we all know that that's probably not happening either. 

I pray you one day leave the comfort of your home and see the world as I have.  As it really is.

Quote from: Benocrates on July 28, 2010, 03:49:20 PM

Alright, so I was pissed when I said you were being a faggot, and I used it in the Louis C.K. manner. But beyond that, I'm not going to continue this ridiculous debate when you start talking about 'psychobabble bullshit'. You literally sound like an ignorant redneck, and those types of people can't be reasoned with. Your mind is closed and I don't think spacey or I can change that. If anything I'll pity you, and hope that you can open your eyes to the world as it really is, instead of how it appears to you.

Thats because alot of it is psychobabble bullshit.  Its the same crap that puts 7-10 year olds on drugs to combat "ADHD" which in turn caused them to kill themselves.  Over diagnosed bullshit.  If it really is a disorder at all. 

Its funny you choose to end the debate.  Like you were waiting for some revelation from me to change your mind on the subject.  Im sure we all know that that's probably not happening either. 

I pray you one day leave the comfort of your home and see the world as I have.  As it really is.

 

It's just a shame wardogg that you're recent bigotry has really destroyed any respect I had for you. I thought you were better than that.

lol. Wardogg is great in this thread.

It's just a shame wardogg that you're recent bigotry has really destroyed any respect I had for you. I thought you were better than that.

It's ok, I forgive you.  You're a Canadian socialist, you could never understand.

Wardoggs views in this thread reflect some of my own.

So do Benos.


I want my name change to Benodogg.

Day 43 of the oil spill and he has yet to do anything credible to stop the leak.

Oh and so does Kanye West.  I havent seen him do anything to stop the leak either.  Those poor coastal Louisianans.

Mmmmmm..... I guess the Army Corps of Engineers and the Coast Guard are not credible. Damn.... we're screwed now.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on June 03, 2010, 04:13:06 AM

Day 43 of the oil spill and he has yet to do anything credible to stop the leak.

Oh and so does Kanye West.  I havent seen him do anything to stop the leak either.  Those poor coastal Louisianans.

Mmmmmm..... I guess the Army Corps of Engineers and the Coast Guard are not credible. Damn.... we're screwed now.

Well they are credible but it took waayyy too long for them to get there.  Obama hates Louisiana.

Obama hates Michigan.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hbazNv8HPBELUpCXxcRQmCxaO3DgD9H83N700

"There needs to be a lot more done," Granholm said. "There are not enough resources on the river right now."

Quote from: Death-T on July 29, 2010, 06:15:36 AM

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on June 03, 2010, 04:13:06 AM

Day 43 of the oil spill and he has yet to do anything credible to stop the leak.

Oh and so does Kanye West.  I havent seen him do anything to stop the leak either.  Those poor coastal Louisianans.

Mmmmmm..... I guess the Army Corps of Engineers and the Coast Guard are not credible. Damn.... we're screwed now.

Well they are credible but it took waayyy too long for them to get there.  Obama hates Louisiana.

I seriously doubt that. He just put too much faith in BP fixing it themselves....them being the experts. Though they proved themselves to be.... a bunch of fools, in some cases. I seriously doubt their new executive will help things.

Obama hates Michigan.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hbazNv8HPBELUpCXxcRQmCxaO3DgD9H83N700

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"There needs to be a lot more done," Granholm said. "There are not enough resources on the river right now."

Okay.... guys. Seriously. The President is in charge of almost every aspect of this country: the economy, the military, the war(s), etc. Etc. He has only so much time for every task and even that leads to many modern Presidents to have accelerated aging. He's kinda busy. Not to mention the minute he makes a decision is not the minute it happens - things take time, especially with a democratic government as large as our own.

And quite honestly, Americans bitch... a lot. They bitch about almost everything that goes wrong (I should know). They would bitch if Obama had the magical ability to put ten thousand vessals on the water, the minute he decides to, to fix the problem and forgot a certain class of ship that could do the job about 1% better. And then they would bitch about the cost, and the manpower needed, and the fact he should have had the abilities of the Almighty himself and should have seen this coming, etc.

The only true thing he did wrong was trust BP.

Quote from: Benocrates on July 28, 2010, 03:49:20 PM

Alright, so I was pissed when I said you were being a faggot, and I used it in the Louis C.K. manner. But beyond that, I'm not going to continue this ridiculous debate when you start talking about 'psychobabble bullshit'. You literally sound like an ignorant redneck, and those types of people can't be reasoned with. Your mind is closed and I don't think spacey or I can change that. If anything I'll pity you, and hope that you can open your eyes to the world as it really is, instead of how it appears to you.

Thats because alot of it is psychobabble bullshit.  Its the same crap that puts 7-10 year olds on drugs to combat "ADHD" which in turn caused them to kill themselves.  Over diagnosed bullshit.  If it really is a disorder at all. 

Its funny you choose to end the debate.  Like you were waiting for some revelation from me to change your mind on the subject.  Im sure we all know that that's probably not happening either. 

I pray you one day leave the comfort of your home and see the world as I have.  As it really is.

What in his post do you consider "psychobabble bullshit"?  There's a big difference between some brat getting diagnosed with ADHD and a kid growing up in abject poverty.

No one expects to have their opinion changed by what you post, I think we're waiting for you to make an intelligent argument on behalf of your beliefs.  You claim to have seen the world as it really is, but I doubt you've ever gone without in your life.  I doubt you've ever spent any time with those who are truly at the bottom of the socioeconomic heap.

I am absolutely delighted to see so much skepticism and cynicism about party politics and its aims in this thread. FES genuinely has one of the coolest member bases around.

It's also important to remember that in any country with large geographic, economic, cultural and social differences (such as the United States), a compromised politics is inevitably the best that can be hoped for by any given faction or group. I find it disheartening to see so many Republicans trying to take 'their' country back, as if your right to be considered an American was ideologically determined. Although I have no end of criticism for the government and politics of this country, one thing I like about Ireland is that no political group or faction tries to lay claim to Irish identity to the exclusion of any other. Even the murder-gang at Sinn Fein don't try and pretend that Fine Fail/Gael supportes are somehow 'un-Irish'.

As far as leftist politics in Irie (or anything against the Anglo-American establishment) is concerned, the flat earth movement is probably closest to a revolutionary anti-monarchical British movement of the seventeenth century known as the LEVELLERS (   ) which considered even Oliver Cromwell too far to the right, and they turned on him after he failed to deliver on his promises, invaded Irei, et cetera.

http://www.constitution.org/lev/levellers.htm

Aside from the fact that the politcs of the levellers was ardently socialist for its time, even the name of their movement bears quite an affinity simultaneously to both communism as well as the flat earth movement.

I will counter that with, every single american citizen (and some legal non-citizens) could have accomplished exactly what I have accomplished in my 35 short years on this planet.

I'd just like to pick up on this statement, which I somehow missed. Wardogg, this is demonstrably not true. You could argue that anyone could have accomplished exactly what you have in your 35 years on this planet, but you cannot argue that everyone could have. This would involve everyone joining the army, everyone living in nice houses, everyone being able to participate in everything you have participated in.


It should be perfectly obvious that only so many people could have done what you have at any one time, regardless of their motivation, decision-making etc. After all (and it's a simple example), the army only recruits so many soldiers, because the government can only afford to pay for a certain amount. If take this as a jumping-off point, you'll soon see that there's only so much of everything to go around, and there are plenty of people who actively try and make sure that much of it doesn't go round at all.

  I doubt you've ever spent any time with those who are truly at the bottom of the socioeconomic heap.

Have you ever been to Cambodia?  I have.  Have you ever been to Indonesia, Pakistan, or Dijibouti?  I have.  Trust me, "abject" poverty doesn't exist in America.  I would be willing to say 90% of Americans don't know how good they have it.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 27, 2010, 04:03:41 PM

I will counter that with, every single american citizen (and some legal non-citizens) could have accomplished exactly what I have accomplished in my 35 short years on this planet.

I'd just like to pick up on this statement, which I somehow missed. Wardogg, this is demonstrably not true. You could argue that anyone could have accomplished exactly what you have in your 35 years on this planet, but you cannot argue that everyone could have.

Speaking strictly for America, my point is that there are not many reasons people are turned down for military service.  I will admit there are a few, physical abnormalities and what not.  But those few are exceptions.  That of course is ruling out felonies(waiverable), drug useage(waiverable), and high school diplomas or GED equivalent.  So lets see...as long as you have no physical abnormalities, you abide by the law and do not get arrested(God forbid) and are not addicted to any drugs(*GASP*) there is no reason to be turned down for service....all it takes is a little will power and some sacrifice.  And don't even start with the I dont want to go to war and die for someone elses country bullshit.  I know people in the Marines that have been in prior to 9/11 and still have not served in a combat zone.  So if we spread that search out to the other services I am sure we will find PLENTY more.  There are so many different jobs spread out over all the services...anything from admin clerk, to aircraft mechanic, to fuel truck drivers, to computer repair/technicians, to air traffic controllers, the list is actually endless.  But people shy away....im not letting someone tell me what to do....blah blah blah.  Well then enjoy your pity party down there in "abject" poverty land.  Its sad really.

And that just covers the military.  I cannot speak for the private sector.  Ive never lived there.  I do know civilians that after dropping out of college, got well paying jobs for the post office...or the railroad.  The one gentleman I know is now making around 60,000 a year starting out at the railroad.  And he just got that job this year.  I know we are in a recession caused by Obama's overspending these last couple of years and that jobs are scarce and hard to come by, but it cannot be an excuse for hanging out waiting for it to be over.  It cannot be an excuse for not having the self respect that comes with working hard for the money you make instead of taking it as a handout from the nanny state of a government that is in place now.  Places are hiring...it may not be a place you want to work, but its work none the less.  So you work there until something better, or more suited for you comes along. 

I realized i just got on the soap box for a different topic but the above is the end result of people telling children, we live in abject poverty and you can never break out.  Not a chance.  If we built those children up instead of continually beating them down.  They may actually make good choices in their lives and break the cycle.  I blame parents.  Its all on their shoulders.

Wardogg, I'm not talking about who is eligable to be in the military. I'm saying that the military can only fund so many soldiers. A simple wikipedia search reveals that 13-17% of people live below the federal poverty line in the United Sstates at any one time, which is somewhere between 40 and 50 million people. The U.S. military has about 1.5 million active personel. Therefore, not all the people below the federal poverty line can join the U.S. military, because the government simply cannot afford a military that large. It cannot hire all those people, so not all those people can do what you have done. It is simply not possible, and for you to pretend otherwise is absurd.

Also, to pretend that you have knowledge of what it's like to be poor because you've spent time in Cambodia is absurd. 

I know we are in a recession caused by Obama's overspending these last couple of years

lulwut?

I blame parents.  Its all on their shoulders.

So how can everyone have the same opportunity if some people have better parents than others?

Also, to pretend that you have knowledge of what it's like to be poor because you've spent time in Cambodia is absurd. 

You asked him if he had done something and he told you he has. You're absurd.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on July 27, 2010, 04:03:41 PM

I will counter that with, every single american citizen (and some legal non-citizens) could have accomplished exactly what I have accomplished in my 35 short years on this planet.

I'd just like to pick up on this statement, which I somehow missed. Wardogg, this is demonstrably not true. You could argue that anyone could have accomplished exactly what you have in your 35 years on this planet, but you cannot argue that everyone could have. This would involve everyone joining the army, everyone living in nice houses, everyone being able to participate in everything you have participated in.


It should be perfectly obvious that only so many people could have done what you have at any one time, regardless of their motivation, decision-making etc. After all (and it's a simple example), the army only recruits so many soldiers, because the government can only afford to pay for a certain amount. If take this as a jumping-off point, you'll soon see that there's only so much of everything to go around, and there are plenty of people who actively try and make sure that much of it doesn't go round at all.

That was exactly the point of my 'Dave Ramsey' thread, and it appears that Wardog makes the same kind of assumption as Dave Ramsey (and Booker T. Washington for that matter) does when he thinks that his financial advice (which is not bad) will work perfectly for everyone reguardless of their situation.  Actually, Rush Limbaugh thinks like that as well, but at least Dave Ramsey and Booker T. have their positive aspects.

Wardogg, I'm not talking about who is eligable to be in the military. I'm saying that the military can only fund so many soldiers. A simple wikipedia search reveals that 13-17% of people live below the federal poverty line in the United Sstates at any one time, which is somewhere between 40 and 50 million people. The U.S. military has about 1.5 million active personel. Therefore, not all the people below the federal poverty line can join the U.S. military, because the government simply cannot afford a military that large. It cannot hire all those people, so not all those people can do what you have done. It is simply not possible

I can vouch for this fact from ongoing personal experience.  I just reentered the US Navy through the reserves.  The recruiter told me that the Navy is overmanned right now, and the bonuses that existed ten years ago are mostly none existent now.  They don't need people across the board, but only for a few specific jobs which is why I am cross-rating.  I am becoming a logistics specialist because logistics is one of the few jobs that are undermanned.  In other words, the door of military opportunity has generally tightened in recent years. 

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on July 29, 2010, 08:36:56 AM

I doubt you've ever spent any time with those who are truly at the bottom of the socioeconomic heap.

Have you ever been to Cambodia?  I have.  Have you ever been to Indonesia, Pakistan, or Dijibouti?  I have.  Trust me, "abject" poverty doesn't exist in America.  I would be willing to say 90% of Americans don't know how good they have it.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 07, 2010, 01:38:22 PM

to pretend that you have knowledge of what it's like to be poor because you've spent time in Cambodia is absurd.

You asked him if he had done something and he told you he has. You're absurd.

Those poor coastal Louisianans.

Well, most people in southeast asia are quite poor.  That is a fact.

However, are you guys saying that we coastal Louisianians are as bad off as they are?!

I personally know a shrimper who has been making $2000 a day from BP funds to sit on the pier.  His helpers are payed separately.  All he has to do is pay the normal tax on that.  His daughter gets $200 a day for the same.  He just leaves her with his cell phone with his two boats (in case they track by satellite) and returns in the afternoon.  Trying to compare that with Haitians or Cambodians is actually hilarious.  

Accusing Obama of racism for that reason is a non-starter.  Obama certainly is an oreo from some perspectives, but not from the one you have presented.  Obama and company can definitely use criticism, and definitely NOT the same old familiar fascism coming from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, et al.  

It is self evident that the military has a higher percentage of obtuse (and I dare say egotistical) right-wingers than the general population, and Wardogg's membership in the military apparently explains both his brand of Obama criticism as well as his username.

Nobody was saying that Louisianians are as poor or destitute as third world countries.

Wardogg, I'm not talking about who is eligable to be in the military. I'm saying that the military can only fund so many soldiers. A simple wikipedia search reveals that 13-17% of people live below the federal poverty line in the United Sstates at any one time, which is somewhere between 40 and 50 million people. The U.S. military has about 1.5 million active personel. Therefore, not all the people below the federal poverty line can join the U.S. military, because the government simply cannot afford a military that large. It cannot hire all those people, so not all those people can do what you have done. It is simply not possible, and for you to pretend otherwise is absurd.

Out of that 13-17% how many of those have actually tried to better themselves?  I mean honestly tried?  How many of those just sit in their own self pity saying to themselves that this is as good as its going to get?  That nothing they can do can help that.    Take the military out of the equation.  It is possible.

I blame parents.  Its all on their shoulders.

So how can everyone have the same opportunity if some people have better parents than others?
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This is an interesting question...and one I will have to ponder on.

Also, to pretend that you have knowledge of what it's like to be poor because you've spent time in Cambodia is absurd. 

No, what's absurd is people in America actually think they are poor.  People that think they know what its like to be poor that haven't actually seen abject poverty, that's absurd.

Out of that 13-17% how many of those have actually tried to better themselves?  I mean honestly tried?  How many of those just sit in their own self pity saying to themselves that this is as good as its going to get?

I don't know Wardogg, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you don't either, even if you think you do.

Take the military out of the equation.  It is possible.

The military is just another employer, and the same concept applies to all employment. Companies only hire so many people, and most will only hire from specific segments of the population, even if in some cases those segments are quite large. The United States does not have jobs for everyone, and only some of the people can apply for some of the jobs some of the time.


I'm not saying freeloaders don't exist, but you are suggesting that everyone could have done what you did, and that just isn't possible, simply from a numerical standpoint. You cannot squeeze 5 into 4.

Quote from: WardoggKC130FE on August 07, 2010, 08:20:32 AM

I blame parents.  Its all on their shoulders.

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So how can everyone have the same opportunity if some people have better parents than others?

This is an interesting question...and one I will have to ponder on.

  - non-sarcastic smile. It is a very interesting question that always makes me rethink my judgments of others. It doesn't mean nobody has any responsibility for their lives, but it can't be denied that parents have a very strong role in the formation of a persons identity and abilities. My parents were awesome in many ways, and in others I think they've damaged me.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on August 07, 2010, 01:38:22 PM

Also, to pretend that you have knowledge of what it's like to be poor because you've spent time in Cambodia is absurd. 

You asked him if he had done something and he told you he has. You're absurd.

You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed, are ya?