FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)

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lon445

If I correctly understand, the flat earth model is an attempt to explain most of the observable phenomenon on the earth. All the observation from outerspace are called hoax or conspiracy.

However, even if all the explanation for phenomena as the disappearing of a boat or terrestrial gravitation are acceptable the FE model still fail to explain the primary phenomenon it is suppose to explain: day cycle.

The ancient flat earth model supposed that the far sun revolve around the flat earth in 24 hours. The days are the time when the sun is above the horizon line and night is when it is under. However this was inconsistent with the various angle the sun makes with the earth depending the on the place we are on the planet. Ancient Greek even deduce the diameter of the earth from this phenomenon.

In order to solve this problem the modern FE model suggest a small sun revolving above the earth disc around the polar axis. This explain the different angles, seasons, variation in day length but fails where the previous one succeed: explaining a 24 hrs day. If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice. If the sun have a constant speed (scalar) it would mean that the longest day of the year at equator would be of 6 hours. Moreover, this length would decrease toward zero as we approach zero toward the north pole and Antartica.

I don't want to underestimate the creative minds of flat earther but I think this is a tough one. Only the round earth model can explain both the annual and daily phenomena at the same time.

Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 07:28:41 PM »
You incorrectly assumed that the sun was much larger than it actually is. Seeing how the Earth IS indeed flat and 1 day is clearly not 6 hours, you are obviously wrong.

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 07:29:13 PM »
So full of win.

To touch on what f(x) said, the sun in your model can only be 32 miles wide.  This would actually make it even harder to properly illuminate the Earth's surface, but hey, they made it up.

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 08:26:40 PM »
I told them to use Gravity Lensing from a wormhole to explain the spotlight shape but they don't want to.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 10:47:02 PM »
No matter how much you tweak the properties of the spotlight sun to solve one problem or another, you will always create more problems than you solve. You can solve the 6 hour daylight problem, but in so doing you fail to make the poles have six months of daylight, followed by six months of night.

And even if you decide you will give unfathomable intelligence to the sun so it illuminates just the right places, just at the correct moment, you would still have no solution whatsoever to the problem of having the sun showing the same apparent size and luminosity on every part of the Earth, and showing the same sunspots to every place on Earth.

In short, a bad idea will not become a good one just because you want it to.

Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2010, 11:48:10 AM »
Bump in the hope of more FE failure.

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2010, 08:57:06 PM »
Bump in the hope of more FE failure.

Don't bump a thread in the serious forums if you're not adding to the discussion.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2010, 01:58:33 PM »
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2010, 02:36:19 PM »
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.

Actually, there are 3 kinds of FE'ers here.  There are the true believer, devil's advocates and angry noobs posing as FE'ers.  The angry noobs are usually pretty obvious, but sometimes it's hard to tell a dedicated devil's advocate from a true believer.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2010, 02:49:56 PM »
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.

Actually, there are 3 kinds of FE'ers here.  There are the true believer, devil's advocates and angry noobs posing as FE'ers.  The angry noobs are usually pretty obvious, but sometimes it's hard to tell a dedicated devil's advocate from a true believer.

I know I try to make it as hard as possible... while simultaneously almost never coming out and saying that I believe in FE.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 02:57:54 PM »
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.
I don't exptect anything either. I take it more as an intellectual challenge. The goal was to falsify the modern FET whit nothing more than ancient knowledge and where the usual FE tricks do not work. Here, no weird optical illusion or wacky physic can be made up. This is rigorous logical proof from absurdity. You expose what the model predict and you show that the prediction can't be true.

Their model realy predict an average daylight of 6 hrs and that does not only prove they are wrong but also are dumb FET is to fail on such a basic and obvious principle as the day cycle. I realy think I could make up a better FE model than theirs if I had more time to loose. I saw them silent where their model would provide a clear explanation (the different constelation on different continent for example) and create physic theory out of thin air in other places where basic Newtonian would have done it. There is absolutely no logic in FES.

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 04:21:04 PM »
I brought something like this up b4, but you have brought up a very good point, its impossible to match the shining radius (one half that of disc world) with the area of shinning (if the radius is half, the area is 1/4th not 1/2). the only way to fix this given that light goes in a straight path (save for gravity pulls) is if the earth's shape is 3 dimensional and uniform aka a sphere

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 04:24:45 PM »
I brought something like this up b4, but you have brought up a very good point, its impossible to match the shining radius (one half that of disc world) with the area of shinning (if the radius is half, the area is 1/4th not 1/2). the only way to fix this given that light goes in a straight path (save for gravity pulls) is if the earth's shape is 3 dimensional and uniform aka a sphere

But since no FEer will EVER admit that they're wrong about anything related to FET then it's a hopeless cause.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2010, 04:13:48 PM »
I brought something like this up b4, but you have brought up a very good point, its impossible to match the shining radius (one half that of disc world) with the area of shinning (if the radius is half, the area is 1/4th not 1/2). the only way to fix this given that light goes in a straight path (save for gravity pulls) is if the earth's shape is 3 dimensional and uniform aka a sphere

But since no FEer will EVER admit that they're wrong about anything related to FET then it's a hopeless cause.

So since nobody has given a response to this, especially without bendy light, I take it that FEH is dead for the moment.
Also, if the earth was supposed to be lit up as it is on a disc, the projection would be a semicircle, which is impossible to achieve with a spotlight or floodlight

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2010, 05:08:20 AM »
Don't bother with bumping or trying to get FE responses.  There's two kinds of FEers here: Insane Devotees and Fakers.  The Fakers won't admit anything because they want a reaction, not humility.  And the insane devotees are self explanatory.

Actually, there are 3 kinds of FE'ers here.  There are the true believer, devil's advocates and angry noobs posing as FE'ers.  The angry noobs are usually pretty obvious, but sometimes it's hard to tell a dedicated devil's advocate from a true believer.

I know I try to make it as hard as possible... while simultaneously almost never coming out and saying that I believe in FE.

Analysis of your posts concludes no evidence of serious psychological problems, therefore we know you're not an Insane Devotee, of which I think there are only three - Davis, Levee and James.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2010, 10:29:23 AM »
why is this ever so winful thread quiet as a ghost???
Does anyone have any arguement against this, or the fact that the spotlight would have to shine on a semi circle?

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2010, 11:28:53 AM »
why is this ever so winful thread quiet as a ghost???
Does anyone have any arguement against this, or the fact that the spotlight would have to shine on a semi circle?

Don't bump a thread in the serious forums if you're not adding to the discussion.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2010, 02:34:33 PM »
Perhaps it would be nice to get some people who could add to the discussion.  ::)
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2010, 02:44:30 PM »
Perhaps it would be nice to get some people who could add to the discussion.  ::)

Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be happening.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2010, 02:57:30 PM »
If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice.

This is incorrect.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2010, 06:51:47 PM »
If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice.

This is incorrect.
Please, by all means, post the correct math.

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2010, 06:53:55 PM »
Please, by all means, post the correct math.

I'm not here to teach you basic geometry.
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2010, 07:56:56 PM »
Please, by all means, post the correct math.

I'm not here to teach you basic geometry.

This is incorrect.

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2010, 11:24:35 PM »
If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice.

This is incorrect.

I see what part you think is incorrect. but, without bendy light, it is undeniably true that a circular projection that has the top reaching the north pole, and bottom reaching the ice wall would only be illuminating 1/4th of the earth at a time. furthermore, at equinox, the earth should have a semi circle illuminated, which is impossible to achieve with a circular spotlight (again without bendy light).

Even though you are not here to teach us math and geometry, it is common courtesy to tell someone why they are wrong in an argument, if you wish to actually argue, as "this is incorrect" is not an actual argument, but you already knew that, and decided to be rude regardless.

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2010, 01:22:20 AM »
I see what part you think is incorrect. but, without bendy light, it is undeniably true that a circular projection that has the top reaching the north pole, and bottom reaching the ice wall would only be illuminating 1/4th of the earth at a time. furthermore, at equinox, the earth should have a semi circle illuminated, which is impossible to achieve with a circular spotlight (again without bendy light).

Even though you are not here to teach us math and geometry, it is common courtesy to tell someone why they are wrong in an argument, if you wish to actually argue, as "this is incorrect" is not an actual argument, but you already knew that, and decided to be rude regardless.

Making blatantly false mathematical statements without showing working is rude. I cannot respond to the OP with anything other than "this is incorrect."
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2010, 04:03:07 AM »
Making blatantly false mathematical statements without showing working is rude.

And just telling people they're wrong without saying why is rude, pompous and arrogant.

Are you still going to those Interpersonal Skills classes?

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2010, 07:24:54 AM »
I see what part you think is incorrect. but, without bendy light, it is undeniably true that a circular projection that has the top reaching the north pole, and bottom reaching the ice wall would only be illuminating 1/4th of the earth at a time. furthermore, at equinox, the earth should have a semi circle illuminated, which is impossible to achieve with a circular spotlight (again without bendy light).

Even though you are not here to teach us math and geometry, it is common courtesy to tell someone why they are wrong in an argument, if you wish to actually argue, as "this is incorrect" is not an actual argument, but you already knew that, and decided to be rude regardless.

Making blatantly false mathematical statements without showing working is rude. I cannot respond to the OP with anything other than "this is incorrect."

Since when has being rude ever bothered you?
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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2010, 08:39:07 AM »
If the sun act as a spotlight projecting a circular area of light on the earth, the diameter of this circle would need to be close to half of the diameter of the earth and can cover only 1/4 of the earth surface at a time (A=Pi*r^2 --> Pi*(r/2)^2=(1/4)Pi*r^2=A/4). The sun would therefore cover only one quarter of the equator line at solstice.

This is incorrect.
Talk about low content posting, or more to the point, trolling.

Diagrams of the places that the "spotlight" that the Sun is in FEH have been posted ad nauseam, and the areas of Earth that are lighted do not seem round at any time of the year. If you believe the Sun is a spotlight, you are stuck with the argument made in the OP.

The only way to make a comment for FEH with respect to the spotlight Sun and without "bendy light" is to resort to trolling.

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2010, 10:00:39 AM »
I see what part you think is incorrect. but, without bendy light, it is undeniably true that a circular projection that has the top reaching the north pole, and bottom reaching the ice wall would only be illuminating 1/4th of the earth at a time. furthermore, at equinox, the earth should have a semi circle illuminated, which is impossible to achieve with a circular spotlight (again without bendy light).

Even though you are not here to teach us math and geometry, it is common courtesy to tell someone why they are wrong in an argument, if you wish to actually argue, as "this is incorrect" is not an actual argument, but you already knew that, and decided to be rude regardless.

Making blatantly false mathematical statements without showing working is rude. I cannot respond to the OP with anything other than "this is incorrect."

So saying things that are wrong is rude? you didn't say which mathematical statement(s) was/were incorrect. you could have responded by telling him which ones were incorrect, and responding to the main point of his post

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Re: FE predict a maximum day length of 1/4 of day cycle (6 hrs)
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2010, 07:03:07 AM »
I cannot respond to the OP with anything other than "this is incorrect."
I guess you could also stick your thumbs in your ears, wave your hands, and say, "Nah, Na, Nah, Na, Nah, Nah!"  But no one would see that.

Bottom line, you have do way to legitimately counter the OP, so your sitting there, pretending you know what you're talking about, and telling them they're wrong.