Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered

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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #240 on: June 25, 2010, 03:55:57 PM »
I think the issue is that those are humans who are dead and can't "hear" prayers.

What's the big deal though? If it makes them happy, it doesn't hurt anyone, and God doesn't say you can't do it, why should it matter?

It seems, to me, a bit hypocritical. God is the only one who can actually do anything about their problems (i.e. answer their prayers) so praying to a dead human vessel who cannot do anything about their problems, is tantamount to praying to a false god in my opinion. Erecting statues to the Mary and praying to them is the same as praying to a golden cow. They're ascribing "godly" attributes (forgiveness, comfort, etc) to a human.

Humans cannot forgive or comfort others? Besides, they aren' just a dead human vessel. They are in heaven and are Saints.

All Christians are saints, not just the ones the pope chooses. A lot of evangelicals believe that no one goes to heaven when they die, that they are instead waiting for Jesus to resurrect them.  Sort of sleeping until judgment day.  Then there are others who believe that they go directly to heaven and will get a new body after the second coming.

None of this is a big deal to me, I realize religion was made up by people.  We're debating Christianity though, and Christianity has some rules.  One of them being that we aren't to worship any other gods. Prayer is a form of worship, because you ascribe godly powers to someone besides god.  There is no indication in the bible that anyone besides God can hear prayers, or any indication that someone like Mary would have God's ear. 
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #241 on: June 25, 2010, 11:31:04 PM »
There is no indication in the bible that anyone besides God can hear prayers, or any indication that someone like Mary would have God's ear. 

Since when has what the bible really says stopped anyone from doing or thinking what they want?

Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #242 on: June 26, 2010, 06:59:19 AM »
I think the issue is that those are humans who are dead and can't "hear" prayers.

What's the big deal though? If it makes them happy, it doesn't hurt anyone, and God doesn't say you can't do it, why should it matter?

It seems, to me, a bit hypocritical. God is the only one who can actually do anything about their problems (i.e. answer their prayers) so praying to a dead human vessel who cannot do anything about their problems, is tantamount to praying to a false god in my opinion. Erecting statues to the Mary and praying to them is the same as praying to a golden cow. They're ascribing "godly" attributes (forgiveness, comfort, etc) to a human.

Humans cannot forgive or comfort others? Besides, they aren' just a dead human vessel. They are in heaven and are Saints.

All Christians are saints, not just the ones the pope chooses. A lot of evangelicals believe that no one goes to heaven when they die, that they are instead waiting for Jesus to resurrect them.  Sort of sleeping until judgment day.  Then there are others who believe that they go directly to heaven and will get a new body after the second coming.

None of this is a big deal to me, I realize religion was made up by people.  We're debating Christianity though, and Christianity has some rules.  One of them being that we aren't to worship any other gods. Prayer is a form of worship, because you ascribe godly powers to someone besides god.  There is no indication in the bible that anyone besides God can hear prayers, or any indication that someone like Mary would have God's ear. 

This is one of the best thought out and best researched posts I've seen in this thread. You describe the Protestant position perfectly.
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #243 on: June 26, 2010, 08:37:32 AM »
I think the issue is that those are humans who are dead and can't "hear" prayers.

What's the big deal though? If it makes them happy, it doesn't hurt anyone, and God doesn't say you can't do it, why should it matter?

It seems, to me, a bit hypocritical. God is the only one who can actually do anything about their problems (i.e. answer their prayers) so praying to a dead human vessel who cannot do anything about their problems, is tantamount to praying to a false god in my opinion. Erecting statues to the Mary and praying to them is the same as praying to a golden cow. They're ascribing "godly" attributes (forgiveness, comfort, etc) to a human.

Humans cannot forgive or comfort others? Besides, they aren' just a dead human vessel. They are in heaven and are Saints.

All Christians are saints, not just the ones the pope chooses. A lot of evangelicals believe that no one goes to heaven when they die, that they are instead waiting for Jesus to resurrect them.  Sort of sleeping until judgment day.  Then there are others who believe that they go directly to heaven and will get a new body after the second coming.

None of this is a big deal to me, I realize religion was made up by people.  We're debating Christianity though, and Christianity has some rules.  One of them being that we aren't to worship any other gods. Prayer is a form of worship, because you ascribe godly powers to someone besides god.  There is no indication in the bible that anyone besides God can hear prayers, or any indication that someone like Mary would have God's ear. 

This is one of the best thought out and best researched posts I've seen in this thread. You describe the Protestant position perfectly.

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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #244 on: June 26, 2010, 08:44:52 AM »
Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #245 on: June 26, 2010, 08:58:42 AM »
Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.

Sorta makes you realize that Marx was right in that sense, eh?  Religion truly is the opiate of the masses. The ultimate comfort blanket.
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #246 on: June 26, 2010, 10:08:44 AM »
Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.

Sorta makes you realize that Marx was right in that sense, eh?  Religion truly is the opiate of the masses. The ultimate comfort blanket.

Yep.
You also don't hear people give non-touching eulogies.  Things like "This man was a dickhead and I'm glad he's dead".  We treat the dead as though they're pure even though they aren't.  The only socially acceptable way to express that side of a person is to not say anything.
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #247 on: June 26, 2010, 01:59:28 PM »
Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.

Sorta makes you realize that Marx was right in that sense, eh?  Religion truly is the opiate of the masses. The ultimate comfort blanket.

Yep.
You also don't hear people give non-touching eulogies.  Things like "This man was a dickhead and I'm glad he's dead".  We treat the dead as though they're pure even though they aren't.  The only socially acceptable way to express that side of a person is to not say anything.

Or it is just a common courtesy to not bad mouth them when there are other people around that may have cared about them. Doing so would just be kicking people while they are down.

Stop trying to find deep meanings where there are none. Not everything can give insight to the human condition. Stop trying to make deep observations in completely pointless things. It is getting quite annoying.
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #248 on: June 26, 2010, 02:16:50 PM »
Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.

Sorta makes you realize that Marx was right in that sense, eh?  Religion truly is the opiate of the masses. The ultimate comfort blanket.

Yep.
You also don't hear people give non-touching eulogies.  Things like "This man was a dickhead and I'm glad he's dead".  We treat the dead as though they're pure even though they aren't.  The only socially acceptable way to express that side of a person is to not say anything.

Or it is just a common courtesy to not bad mouth them when there are other people around that may have cared about them. Doing so would just be kicking people while they are down.

Stop trying to find deep meanings where there are none. Not everything can give insight to the human condition. Stop trying to make deep observations in completely pointless things. It is getting quite annoying.


Everything humans do gives insight to the human condition.  Even your annoyance of me tells a little about us both.

And no, I won't stop.  I find it fun and if this forum isn't meant for angering people, I don't know what forum is.
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #249 on: June 26, 2010, 04:22:58 PM »
Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.

Sorta makes you realize that Marx was right in that sense, eh?  Religion truly is the opiate of the masses. The ultimate comfort blanket.

Yep.
You also don't hear people give non-touching eulogies.  Things like "This man was a dickhead and I'm glad he's dead".  We treat the dead as though they're pure even though they aren't.  The only socially acceptable way to express that side of a person is to not say anything.

I think that custom has more to do with leaving people with at least one good memory of the deceased, not so much with making them appear pure. We spend our whole lives finding the faults in others, might as well see what good they've done once they're dead, no?
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #250 on: June 26, 2010, 05:21:14 PM »
Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.

Sorta makes you realize that Marx was right in that sense, eh?  Religion truly is the opiate of the masses. The ultimate comfort blanket.

Yep.
You also don't hear people give non-touching eulogies.  Things like "This man was a dickhead and I'm glad he's dead".  We treat the dead as though they're pure even though they aren't.  The only socially acceptable way to express that side of a person is to not say anything.

Or it is just a common courtesy to not bad mouth them when there are other people around that may have cared about them. Doing so would just be kicking people while they are down.

Stop trying to find deep meanings where there are none. Not everything can give insight to the human condition. Stop trying to make deep observations in completely pointless things. It is getting quite annoying.

And no, I won't stop.  I find it fun and if this forum isn't meant for angering people, I don't know what forum is.

Good to clear up you're just a troll.

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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #251 on: June 26, 2010, 05:41:05 PM »
Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.

Sorta makes you realize that Marx was right in that sense, eh?  Religion truly is the opiate of the masses. The ultimate comfort blanket.

Yep.
You also don't hear people give non-touching eulogies.  Things like "This man was a dickhead and I'm glad he's dead".  We treat the dead as though they're pure even though they aren't.  The only socially acceptable way to express that side of a person is to not say anything.

Or it is just a common courtesy to not bad mouth them when there are other people around that may have cared about them. Doing so would just be kicking people while they are down.

Stop trying to find deep meanings where there are none. Not everything can give insight to the human condition. Stop trying to make deep observations in completely pointless things. It is getting quite annoying.

And no, I won't stop.  I find it fun and if this forum isn't meant for angering people, I don't know what forum is.

Good to clear up you're just a troll.

Not intentionally and to be honest it's not something that gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside.  But I'm also very bad at being mean so that probably has something to do with it.


Anyway, I'm not going to stop being who I am and that's an arrogant, peudo-philosophical, logical, sane guy.

And why are we even on this subject?  This thread is about Universal Healthcare, not how we act towards the dead.


Don't be jealous!  :P

One thing I've noticed about the Christians that I know personally is that they believe that people don't go directly to heaven, unless someone in the family dies.  Then, suddenly, we're all to believe that the person is with Jesus now.

Sorta makes you realize that Marx was right in that sense, eh?  Religion truly is the opiate of the masses. The ultimate comfort blanket.

Yep.
You also don't hear people give non-touching eulogies.  Things like "This man was a dickhead and I'm glad he's dead".  We treat the dead as though they're pure even though they aren't.  The only socially acceptable way to express that side of a person is to not say anything.

I think that custom has more to do with leaving people with at least one good memory of the deceased, not so much with making them appear pure. We spend our whole lives finding the faults in others, might as well see what good they've done once they're dead, no?

True.
Which is why I prefer the Irish custom: Party.
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« Reply #252 on: June 26, 2010, 08:30:14 PM »
We are on topic because this thread was doomed to fail with it OP. That and when CR90 said that he believed his mother earned her free government healthcare. That's when people stopped even trying to stay on topic.

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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #253 on: June 26, 2010, 10:16:28 PM »
Then I shall bring it back on topic....

http://ravenites.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1197

Good thing Toronto has Universal Health Care. I imagine there are quite a few injuries.
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Re: Universal Healthcare in Canada being reconsidered
« Reply #254 on: June 27, 2010, 03:34:47 AM »
Then I shall bring it back on topic....

http://ravenites.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1197

Good thing Toronto has Universal Health Care. I imagine there are quite a few injuries.

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