Flight Times???

Does anyone really think Parsifal believes this bird idiocy? Or anyone, for that matter, except, maybe, Fred Flintstone?

Quote from: trig on June 06, 2010, 07:29:19 PM

Does anyone really think Parsifal believes this bird idiocy? Or anyone, for that matter, except, maybe, Fred Flintstone?

My beliefs are irrelevant to the thread.

I think it's more likely that birds are pulling the planes. The airline companies have realised they can save fuel by tethering birds to the aircraft while in mid-flight and allowing the pilots to switch off the engines.

Hmmm...there is no evidence for the birds; has anyone seen birds attached to airplanes? Lol...no?...then I claim that a magical bunny is just as likely to be helping planes go faster.

Quote from: Pseudointellect on June 07, 2010, 02:52:58 AM

Hmmm...there is no evidence for the birds; has anyone seen birds attached to airplanes? Lol...no?...then I claim that a magical bunny is just as likely to be helping planes go faster.

Irrelevant.  Rabbits cannot fly and no studies have ever been produced, at least none that I could find, prove rabbits to be magical.

Quote from: jackofhearts on June 06, 2010, 07:08:17 PM

So, so far, there's no explanation for the phenomena described by the OP?

You must have missed Spanner34.5's post.  It's somewhere on the first page.

uhmm... is it me or has nobody noticed these great new inventions called the speedometer and odometer? If you ever fly on a marginally good international flight, the plane will give information on the speed and distance traveled. and if you don't trust it, you should take your own device on board.

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 06, 2010, 09:04:48 PM

uhmm... is it me or has nobody noticed these great new inventions called the speedometer and odometer? If you ever fly on a marginally good international flight, the plane will give information on the speed and distance traveled. and if you don't trust it, you should take your own device on board.

This is a very interesting suggestion. How would "your own device" work? What is there that a passenger on an aircraft can do to measure its ground speed?

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 06, 2010, 09:04:48 PM

uhmm... is it me or has nobody noticed these great new inventions called the speedometer and odometer? If you ever fly on a marginally good international flight, the plane will give information on the speed and distance traveled. and if you don't trust it, you should take your own device on board.

This is a very interesting suggestion. How would "your own device" work? What is there that a passenger on an aircraft can do to measure its ground speed?

Quote from: Parsifal on June 07, 2010, 07:36:10 AM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 06, 2010, 09:04:48 PM

uhmm... is it me or has nobody noticed these great new inventions called the speedometer and odometer? If you ever fly on a marginally good international flight, the plane will give information on the speed and distance traveled. and if you don't trust it, you should take your own device on board.

This is a very interesting suggestion. How would "your own device" work? What is there that a passenger on an aircraft can do to measure its ground speed?

I would suggest looking up GPS.

Are you suggesting that all pilots are part of the Conspiracy and are therefore lying about the distances/speed achieved by the plane?  That'd be ridiculous.

Quote from: sokarul on June 07, 2010, 07:38:08 AM

Quote from: Parsifal on June 07, 2010, 07:36:10 AM

Quote from: Thevoiceofreason on June 06, 2010, 09:04:48 PM

uhmm... is it me or has nobody noticed these great new inventions called the speedometer and odometer? If you ever fly on a marginally good international flight, the plane will give information on the speed and distance traveled. and if you don't trust it, you should take your own device on board.

This is a very interesting suggestion. How would "your own device" work? What is there that a passenger on an aircraft can do to measure its ground speed?

I would suggest looking up GPS.

they believe GPS lies and is a big sham.

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

Quote from: spanner34.5 on June 07, 2010, 08:29:55 AM

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

That's great. A GPS unit can be brought on.

Quote from: spanner34.5 on June 07, 2010, 08:29:55 AM

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

"an E6B flight computer is often used to calculate groundspeed"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_speed

Quote from: LBtheWise on June 07, 2010, 08:34:13 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on June 07, 2010, 08:29:55 AM

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

"an E6B flight computer is often used to calculate groundspeed"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_speed

Quote from: sokarul on June 07, 2010, 08:32:21 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on June 07, 2010, 08:29:55 AM

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

That's great. A GPS unit can be brought on.

Would not do me a great deal of good, I don't know how to use one. As they may be interfered with, by the conspiracy, I have no desire to learn.

Quote from: spanner34.5 on June 07, 2010, 09:02:41 AM

Quote from: sokarul on June 07, 2010, 08:32:21 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on June 07, 2010, 08:29:55 AM

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

That's great. A GPS unit can be brought on.

Would not do me a great deal of good, I don't know how to use one. As they may be interfered with, by the conspiracy, I have no desire to learn.

build ur own

Quote from: LBtheWise on June 07, 2010, 08:34:13 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on June 07, 2010, 08:29:55 AM

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

"an E6B flight computer is often used to calculate groundspeed"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_speed

Quote from: sokarul on June 07, 2010, 08:32:21 AM

Quote from: spanner34.5 on June 07, 2010, 08:29:55 AM

I have flown all over England, some of France. I have never used a GPS.

There is nothing in the standard equipment in a light aircraft to give an indication of groundspeed.

Best guess is to use the aeronautical chart and a stopwatch.

That's great. A GPS unit can be brought on.

Would not do me a great deal of good, I don't know how to use one. As they may be interfered with, by the conspiracy, I have no desire to learn.

Quote from: jackofhearts on June 07, 2010, 07:38:08 AM

Are you suggesting that all pilots are part of the Conspiracy and are therefore lying about the distances/speed achieved by the plane?  That'd be ridiculous.

What part of my post gave you that idea?

I guess that was a leap, but such wind-speed devices do exist... it's called an anemometer.  Obviously, no passenger could just stick one on the plane, meaning one could only take data from the anemometers used by the pilots.  And since if you read the data given from pilots, you would find they're normal (to RET); no headwinds, speeds over 800mph, etc.  You seemed to imply (IMO) that, because passengers couldn't take measurements themselves, pilots would lie about airspeed to cover up for the fact that fligth times just don't work on a flat Earth.

Quote from: jackofhearts on June 07, 2010, 05:23:39 PM

I guess that was a leap, but such wind-speed devices do exist... it's called an anemometer.  Obviously, no passenger could just stick one on the plane, meaning one could only take data from the anemometers used by the pilots.  And since if you read the data given from pilots, you would find they're normal (to RET); no headwinds, speeds over 800mph, etc.  You seemed to imply (IMO) that, because passengers couldn't take measurements themselves, pilots would lie about airspeed to cover up for the fact that fligth times just don't work on a flat Earth.

An anemometer would measure air speed, not ground speed.