Flight Times???

Have you noticed that each time this subject is revisited, the FE theorists reach a different explanation?

Depending on the "flight times in the South" thread, sometimes all the airplane pilots are in the Conspiracy or they are duped into flying at specific heights by the Conspiracy without knowing about the jet streams they are entering, or are plain stupid and do not notice jet streams with many times the energy of an F5 tornado.

What is constant is we, the South Americans, Africans and Australians always have to be stupid as door knobs in every single explanation about flight times. We have to get insulted by the likes of Parsifal and Tom Bishop, who have not done the very first navigation experiment suggested in this forum, but apparently know more about our weather than all of our pilots, navigators, meteorologists and scientists together.

Please stop insulting the whole population of two and a half continents until you have done at least a few real experiments by yourselves.

Touché

bump for today.

Quote from: markjo on June 02, 2010, 02:56:05 PM

Quote from: jackofhearts on June 02, 2010, 01:24:28 PM

Planes couldn't handle this '400-500mph jet stream'.  They'd get ripped apart.

I'm not sure if you understand how air speed works.  If a plane is flying along at an air speed of 600mph and runs into a 500mph headwind, that doesn't mean that its airspeed becomes 100mph.  The plane's ground speed may become 100 mph, but its air speed will stay 600 mph.  The only time that the plane might run into trouble is when it hits the wind shear entering or leaving the 500 mph jet stream, depending on how sudden the transition is.

I don't think you understand how this works.  If an aircraft travelling at 400mph enters one of these "streams" travelling in the same heading, at 400mph, the craft's speed will exceed the speed of sound.

Your average run of the mill 737 will not cope with these sort of stresses, and will break up.

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By your reasoning, all round earthers should add the 67000 miles per hour speed for the supposed speed of the earth around the sun.  That should give the aeronautics engineers fits.

By your reasoning, all round earthers should add the 67000 miles per hour speed for the supposed speed of the earth around the sun.  That should give the aeronautics engineers fits.

Only if you're trying to another part of the solar system other than the moon.

WAT?

I was trying to explain why air speed is measured relative to the air.   What are you attempting? 

WAT?

I was trying to explain why air speed is measured relative to the air. 

Then perhaps you should have, rather than making a poor analogy.

Are you implying that the supposed global earth and its atmosphere are not traveling at this speed?

I often make poor analogies; thanks for your input.

Are you implying that the supposed global earth and its atmosphere are not traveling at this speed?

I often make poor analogies; thanks for your input.

The global earth and its atmosphere are indeed traveling at this speed around the sun, however that is irrelevant to airplanes traveling within the atmosphere.  The rotational speed of the earth is more likely to be an issue than its orbital speed.

Yes, Markjo.  That was my point after all.  Air speed is a relative measurement.

So aside from the "birds are pushing the planes" and the "super high velocity jet streams", Are there any real explanations for flight times south of the equator?

So aside from the "birds are pushing the planes" and the "super high velocity jet streams", Are there any real explanations for flight times south of the equator?

I think it's more likely that birds are pulling the planes. The airline companies have realised they can save fuel by tethering birds to the aircraft while in mid-flight and allowing the pilots to switch off the engines.

Quote from: Sliver on June 06, 2010, 05:12:30 PM

So aside from the "birds are pushing the planes" and the "super high velocity jet streams", Are there any real explanations for flight times south of the equator?

I think it's more likely that birds are pulling the planes. The airline companies have realised they can save fuel by tethering birds to the aircraft while in mid-flight and allowing the pilots to switch off the engines.

Please specify which species of bird is doing this.

Either African or European swallows is my guess.

Please specify which species of bird is doing this.

I wouldn't know, never having worked for an airline company. It's probably a variety of different species all working together.

Either African or European swallows is my guess.

While I enjoy Monty Python as much as the next person, please do not derail the thread.

Assuming your are being serious, given the size of these birds, there would have to be hundreds of them, someone would have noticed by now.

Quote from: Sliver on June 06, 2010, 05:33:11 PM

Please specify which species of bird is doing this.

I wouldn't know, never having worked for an airline company. It's probably a variety of different species all working together.

Please name at least one species of bird that can fly at least 600 kph while wearing a harness and tether.

Assuming your are being serious, given the size of these birds, there would have to be hundreds of them, someone would have noticed by now.

I should imagine the pilots have. The passengers tend to look out to the side, rather than the front.

Quote from: Sliver on June 06, 2010, 05:33:11 PM

Please specify which species of bird is doing this.

I wouldn't know, never having worked for an airline company. It's probably a variety of different species all working together.

Give this a read and get back to me as to which species it could be.  seeing as the highest flying bird, the fastest flying bird, and the bird capable of the longest daily flight are three different species that don't even live in the same regions, I'd say the bird theory is dead.  Try another one.

Quote from: Sliver on June 06, 2010, 05:39:36 PM

Assuming your are being serious, given the size of these birds, there would have to be hundreds of them, someone would have noticed by now.

I should imagine the pilots have. The passengers tend to look out to the side, rather than the front.

True, but unless they are hitching up these birds in mid-flight, the people in the airports would see this happening.

Give this a read and get back to me as to which species it could be.  seeing as the highest flying bird, the fastest flying bird, and the bird capable of the longest daily flight are three different species that don't even live in the same regions, I'd say the bird theory is dead.  Try another one.

It's probably some as yet undiscovered species known only to the Conspiracy, or else a genetically engineered bird specifically for this purpose.

True, but unless they are hitching up these birds in mid-flight, the people in the airports would see this happening.

See:

I think it's more likely that birds are pulling the planes. The airline companies have realised they can save fuel by tethering birds to the aircraft while in mid-flight and allowing the pilots to switch off the engines.

Quote from: Sliver on June 06, 2010, 05:42:50 PM

Give this a read and get back to me as to which species it could be.  seeing as the highest flying bird, the fastest flying bird, and the bird capable of the longest daily flight are three different species that don't even live in the same regions, I'd say the bird theory is dead.  Try another one.

It's probably some as yet undiscovered species known only to the Conspiracy, or else a genetically engineered bird specifically for this purpose.

Quote from: Sliver on June 06, 2010, 05:44:03 PM

True, but unless they are hitching up these birds in mid-flight, the people in the airports would see this happening.

See:

Quote from: Parsifal on June 06, 2010, 05:29:57 PM

I think it's more likely that birds are pulling the planes. The airline companies have realised they can save fuel by tethering birds to the aircraft while in mid-flight and allowing the pilots to switch off the engines.

Dude, this isn't even good trolling.  It's really sad they way you take something someone else (Pongo) made up, and try to keep running with it.

Why don't you try coming up with your own suggestion to explain flight times south of the equator?

Dude, this isn't even good trolling.  It's really sad they way you take something someone else (Pongo) made up, and try to keep running with it.

Why don't you try coming up with your own suggestion to explain flight times south of the equator?

I'm sorry, but what? Because someone else came up with an idea, I'm not allowed to support it?

Quote from: Sliver on June 06, 2010, 05:58:16 PM

Dude, this isn't even good trolling.  It's really sad they way you take something someone else (Pongo) made up, and try to keep running with it.

Why don't you try coming up with your own suggestion to explain flight times south of the equator?

I'm sorry, but what? Because someone else came up with an idea, I'm not allowed to support it?

OK, so you have nothing but other people's ideas?  Was just suggesting you think for yourself.  The whole "birds pushing/pulling planes" idea is rubbish and you know it.

OK, so you have nothing but other people's ideas?  Was just suggesting you think for yourself.  The whole "birds pushing/pulling planes" idea is rubbish and you know it.

I am thinking for myself, and I have decided that this hypothesis is most likely to be true.

What motivation do the birds have for pulling the planes?

And you seem to be hypothesizing here, that is definitely anti-zetetic. Your conclusions are therefore not acceptable on this site.

What motivation do the birds have for pulling the planes?

They are simply flying along their natural flight paths.

As Pongo likes to point out, birds would not take on any unnecessary burden (in this case pulling a very heavy aircraft) without some sort of motivation.

So, so far, there's no explanation for the phenomena described by the OP?

As Pongo likes to point out, birds would not take on any unnecessary burden (in this case pulling a very heavy aircraft) without some sort of motivation.

It is possible that a bird bath is suspended from a rod attached to the roof of the aeroplane, which the birds then fly towards.

So, so far, there's no explanation for the phenomena described by the OP?

You must have missed Spanner34.5's post.  It's somewhere on the first page.