Round earthers: how did you come to believe this?

Quote from: Lorddave on June 05, 2010, 02:44:41 PM

Quote from: John Davis on June 05, 2010, 02:36:14 PM

Quote from: Catchpa on June 05, 2010, 01:40:31 PM

Brainwashing? Not really. A round earth has been proven by numerous experiments and space photos. It's not brainwashing when you're told facts(And yes, the earth being round is a fact all over the world). Then again, I don't recall ever being told the earth being round. I recall doing experiments which assumed it was round, and the results I had were consistent. This is at ground school levels, and afaik, there's not a single flat earth experiment that I can scientifically conduct at this level.

Its brainwashing whether it is true or not.

Isn't brainwashing when you ERASE what is known or held to be true and put in new information?

Fair enough, I guess I was using it in a more colloquial way.

And I was using it in a more sarcastic way.

Quote from: Catchpa on June 05, 2010, 01:40:31 PM

Brainwashing? Not really. A round earth has been proven by numerous experiments and space photos. It's not brainwashing when you're told facts(And yes, the earth being round is a fact all over the world). Then again, I don't recall ever being told the earth being round. I recall doing experiments which assumed it was round, and the results I had were consistent. This is at ground school levels, and afaik, there's not a single flat earth experiment that I can scientifically conduct at this level.

Its brainwashing whether it is true or not.

No it's not.

I came to believe this by simply looking at the hundreds of pictures of a round Earth there are, many showing an image far in advance of modern CG techniques, when NASA could've sold the technology needed to make such great fakes for a lot of money (possibly under a pseudonym) if there really was a conspiracy.

Quote from: John Davis on June 05, 2010, 02:36:14 PM

Quote from: Catchpa on June 05, 2010, 01:40:31 PM

Brainwashing? Not really. A round earth has been proven by numerous experiments and space photos. It's not brainwashing when you're told facts(And yes, the earth being round is a fact all over the world). Then again, I don't recall ever being told the earth being round. I recall doing experiments which assumed it was round, and the results I had were consistent. This is at ground school levels, and afaik, there's not a single flat earth experiment that I can scientifically conduct at this level.

Its brainwashing whether it is true or not.

No it's not.

Yes, it is.

"forcible indoctrination into a new set of attitudes and beliefs".  It matters not if the attitudes or beliefs are valid.  What matters is that it was forced.

"forcible indoctrination into a new set of attitudes and beliefs".  It matters not if the attitudes or beliefs are valid.  What matters is that it was forced.

Yes but you don't need to force someone to believe something they can verify themselves. It just really makes no sense at all.

If you want proof that the earth is round just step off a chair. Whenever I have any doubts this is what I do.

Quote from: John Davis on July 24, 2010, 04:45:20 AM

"forcible indoctrination into a new set of attitudes and beliefs".  It matters not if the attitudes or beliefs are valid.  What matters is that it was forced.

Yes but you don't need to force someone to believe something they can verify themselves. It just really makes no sense at all.

If you want proof that the earth is round just step off a chair. Whenever I have any doubts this is what I do.

As you well know, that is not proof of the earth being round or flat.

Just because you don't force someone to believe something or that they can verify it themselves does not mean it was not forced upon them.

Just because you don't force someone to believe something or that they can verify it themselves does not mean it was not forced upon them.

This may be true, but it's an epic waste of time.

What is this?



It is a pencil. Whenever you see one of these you will only think to call it a pencil. Do I make myself clear?

This may be true, but it's an epic waste of time.

What is this?



It is a pencil. Whenever you see one of these you will only think to call it a pencil. Do I make myself clear?

That is incorrect. The first thing that comes to my mind when I look at this is "oówek".
Not everyone will think of it as a pencil. That's the way things should be.

Maybe it's because you're retarded seeing as you think of obscure words that I assume people have never really heard of.

Maybe it's because you're retarded seeing as you think of obscure words that I assume people have never really heard of.

ITT: Catchpa believes all people speak one language.
I assure you there is an estimate of 38 million people who know this word.
Want something more popular? Here goes: lápiz

Quote from: Catchpa on July 24, 2010, 05:59:14 AM

Maybe it's because you're retarded seeing as you think of obscure words that I assume people have never really heard of.

ITT: Catchpa believes all people speak one language.
I assure you there is an estimate of 38 million people who know this word.
Want something more popular? Here goes: lápiz

Further proof that you're retarded. You think of "pencil", but pretend that it's totally different because you think of a word that translated is pencil.

Once again, the troll FEers start arguing pedantics.

Quote from: Catchpa on July 24, 2010, 05:59:14 AM

Maybe it's because you're retarded seeing as you think of obscure words that I assume people have never really heard of.

ITT: Catchpa believes all people speak one language.
I assure you there is an estimate of 38 million people who know this word.
Want something more popular? Here goes: lápiz

Blue, cerulean, azure...
Not the same word, but the same thing (well, minor shade differences but still).

Blue, cerulean, azure...
Not the same word, but the same thing (well, minor shade differences but still).

Exactly! Similar, not the same. That's the whole point.
The same applies to FE and RE. As many people stated here before, the belief doesn't greatly affect one's everyday life. However, the difference between the two is clear.
BiJane, I thank you for this point.

Quote from: BiJane on July 24, 2010, 06:15:11 AM

Blue, cerulean, azure...
Not the same word, but the same thing (well, minor shade differences but still).

Exactly! Similar, not the same. That's the whole point.
The same applies to FE and RE. As many people stated here before, the belief doesn't greatly affect one's everyday life. However, the difference between the two is clear.
BiJane, I thank you for this point.

So what was your point in writing a word that translated is exactly the same as "pencil"? There's not a minor difference, it's the exact same thing.

So what was your point in writing a word that translated is exactly the same as "pencil"? There's not a minor difference, it's the exact same thing.

The image of the Earth is "translated" by your brain into what you see. It's impossible to know if two different people see the same, and more than likely that they don't.
This is not "pedantics", nor pedantry. I don't think of "pencil". I think of a word, that coincidentally means the same as "pencil" to me. A person who doesn't speak English wouldn't know of the translation, and could assume the two words to have different meanings. One would mean "pencil", while the other one would be a set of arbitrary letters.
Also, not all expressions can be translated accurately. Perhaps "pencil" isn't a good example here, but it's practically impossible to translate "It happened before our very eyes!" into Polish. You'd have to change it at least a bit.

Also, note the original claim:

It is a pencil. Whenever you see one of these you will only think to call it a pencil. Do I make myself clear?

It's incorrect. Next!

The first thing that comes to my mind when I look at this is "o?wek".

English is the lingua franca of TFES. Please post in english or I will be forced to issue a bam. Consider this your only kitten.

Quote from: Catchpa on July 24, 2010, 06:22:24 AM

So what was your point in writing a word that translated is exactly the same as "pencil"? There's not a minor difference, it's the exact same thing.

The image of the Earth is "translated" by your brain into what you see. It's impossible to know if two different people see the same, and more than likely that they don't.
This is not "pedantics", nor pedantry. I don't think of "pencil". I think of a word, that coincidentally means the same as "pencil" to me. A person who doesn't speak English wouldn't know of the translation, and could assume the two words to have different meanings. One would mean "pencil", while the other one would be a set of arbitrary letters.
Also, not all expressions can be translated accurately. Perhaps "pencil" isn't a good example here, but it's practically impossible to translate "It happened before our very eyes!" into Polish. You'd have to change it at least a bit.

*sigh*  A pencil is a pencil no matter what language you speak or think in.  When I see a pencil, I don't think "pióro" (the polish word for pen).  It's not a matter of translation, it's a matter of the underlying concept.

*sigh*  A pencil is a pencil no matter what language you speak or think in.  When I see a pencil, I don't think "pióro" (the polish word for pen).  It's not a matter of translation, it's a matter of the underlying concept.

Further proving my point. "Pióro" is a word that specifically means "fountain pen". It's subtle, but there.

Quote from: markjo on July 24, 2010, 07:47:56 AM

*sigh*  A pencil is a pencil no matter what language you speak or think in.  When I see a pencil, I don't think "pióro" (the polish word for pen).  It's not a matter of translation, it's a matter of the underlying concept.

Further proving my point. "Pióro" is a word that specifically means "fountain pen". It's subtle, but there.

Frankly this whole debate could be summed up with 'tomayto tomato'.
Salt. Sodium chloride. Sodium chloride is salt, so the word means the same as salt-though the word salt isn't synonymous with the word sodium chloride, as there are countless other salts.
If you're wondering what that has to do with anything, here's the analogy explained: a, say, picture of a pencil is the word 'salt', which has plenty of aspects-lapiz, pencil etc. Every word is relevant to the picture of the pencil, like sodium chloride, potassium chloride, caesium bromide etc are all salts.
Mathematically explained. If '2' is a picture of a pencil, and 2K/X are translations of the word.
X=2
K=1
X=2K
The words are the same, just expressed differently. Tomayto tomato, potato potahto.

Well, it could have been when I was sitting in front of the TV and watched the first moon landing as a kid, or it could have been when I got my first globe when I was around two, I can't be sure, I was pretty young back then.  There has never been a time when I did not think the earth was round, that I am aware of.

Then a wonderful thing happened, I got to fly on the SST from France to New York and we flew high enough that I could actually see the curvature of the earth.  It inspired me enough to go and get my pilot's license, and I've been flying for over 20 years now.  Also, I assure you that gravity is real, just ask, IF YOU COULD, my father-in-law who fell from the sky in his 1945 Corsair in November 2002, and died.

As a young kid (four or five) I was shown a globe.  For fun I'd shine a flashlight at it to simulate night, day, and the seasons.  I think I also used a baseball and pretended it was the moon, then I could simulate eclipses.

I still have the globe behind me.

Quote from: markjo on July 24, 2010, 07:47:56 AM

*sigh*  A pencil is a pencil no matter what language you speak or think in.  When I see a pencil, I don't think "pióro" (the polish word for pen).  It's not a matter of translation, it's a matter of the underlying concept.

Further proving my point. "Pióro" is a word that specifically means "fountain pen". It's subtle, but there.

Actually, "pióro" more likely refers to a quill pen, seeing as it's also the polish word for (or a variation of) "feather".

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so i want to know when the re'ers here started to believe the earth was round? the very first time you though about it?

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Actually, "pióro" more likely refers to a quill pen, seeing as it's also the polish word for (or a variation of) "feather".

Where did it go oh so very wrong?

so i want to know when the re'ers here started to believe the earth was round? the very first time you though about it?

- Every rational, reasonable and acceptable indication that this is how it is. School was the first place of course that I learned that our planet was round and then suddenly the horizon made sense to my young mind. I really never gave it much thought except for when the shape was directly involved in a science project or perhaps a space-themed video game. However, I was referred to this site and then I really started to think about it and came to a conclusion, which is the first sentence of this paragraph.

the math works, the physics work. our government is too inept to pull off something on this scale.