# Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam

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#### sandokhan

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2010, 05:33:31 AM »
trig, as I said, I will not attack you on the centripetal force matter, even though you left out the mass from the equation.

You are ever ready to send everybody here back to high school, but where should we send you, given the fact you used the term CENTRIPETAL FORCE, and left out the m (mass) term in the equation?

Your explanation cannot hide the fact that the centripetal force of the Sun is A HUGE QUANTITY, given the fact we have to multiply the w^2r term with its (the Sun's) mass.

You wrote this:

It is totally useless to consider the whole Sun as one single mass upon which all the centripetal force is applied because the direction of the force is not the same and the amount of the force is not the same in every place of the Sun. With this faulty reasoning, I could say that a typical Merry-go-round, which weighs about 10000 kilograms and turns once every 15 seconds and has a radius of 4 meters will produce a devastating 7018 Newtons (equivalent to 716 kilograms of weight) of centripetal force, thereby killing any brave child who rides it.

trig, you should go back to kindergarten, not only to high school...

Let us suppose now, the sake of our discussion, a child (mass 25 kg) on a merry-go-round is moving with a speed of 1.35 m/s when 1.20 m from the center of the merry-go-round.

Let us calculate the acceleration and THE NET HORIZONTAL FORCE EXERTED ON THE CHILD:

a. a = v^2/r = (1.35 m/s)^2/(1.2 m) = 1.52 m/s^2

b. F = ma = (25 kg)(1.52 m/s/s) =  38 N = centripetal force on the child (F = ma = mv^2/r)

You take into account the MASS OF THE CHILD, NOT THAT OF THE MERRY GO ROUND...where did YOU learn physics trig?

Now, let us calculate the total CENTRIPETAL FORCE EXERTED ON THE ROUND EARTH:

Some preliminary calculations: (365.26 days)(24 hr/day)(3600 s/hr) = 31558464 s

For convenience, R (radius of earth) = 1.5 x 10^11 m

Mass of Earth is 5.98 x 10^24 kg

a = v^2/r = (2πr/T)^2/r = 4π^2r/T^2 , π = pi

So now,

F = (5.98 x 10^24 kg)(0.005946 m/s^2) = 3.55566x10^22 N = 3.6 x 10^22 N toward the Sun

trig, this is a HUGE QUANTITY, a very large magnitude of the centripetal force indeed.

So, THE CENTRIPETAL FORCE OF THE SUN, trig, MUST TAKE INTO ACCOUNT the mass of the Sun = 1,98892 x 10^30 kg

As I said, I will not attack you as I should be doing it, for your mistakes...which are typical of an amateurish approach to physics...please go back to a course in basic mechanics, and read up the facts...

Dr. Neville Jones is no crackpot; not by any stretch of the imagination, he is one of the most talented physicists I have seen in a very long time...you call other people crackpots, YET YOU LEFT OUT THE MASS IN THE CENTRIPETAL FORCE EQUATION which is Fcp = - mw^2r, no serious physicist would do that...you cannot even describe correctly the centripetal force exerted on a child on a merry go round...

Don't you know that in my theory satellites exist very well? You should know that by now; I do not accept some the facts stated in the official FAQ.

http://www.geocentricuniverse.com/Restoring%20forces.htm (I invite all of you to read this carefully, a superb analysis of atmospheric physics)

The official view of current astrophysics, for your information, is that in the solar system the combination of the Earth's spinning and revolution and the Earth's motion toward Vega forms a right-handed super-helical motion.

Therefore, trig, this fact immediately contradicts Kepler's first law...
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#### trig

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2010, 08:46:02 AM »

Fcf = mv^2/r = mwv = mw^2r

Now, that person forgot the mass (m), the factor which must be taken into consideration, and as we are told officially, the mass of the Sun = 1,98892 x 10^30 kg

When we bring this factor in, the centripetal/centrifugal force magnitude will be enormous.

trig, you should go back to kindergarten, not only to high school...

Let us suppose now, the sake of our discussion, a child (mass 25 kg) on a merry-go-round is moving with a speed of 1.35 m/s when 1.20 m from the center of the merry-go-round.

Let us calculate the acceleration and THE NET HORIZONTAL FORCE EXERTED ON THE CHILD:

a. a = v^2/r = (1.35 m/s)^2/(1.2 m) = 1.52 m/s^2

b. F = ma = (25 kg)(1.52 m/s/s) =  38 N = centripetal force on the child (F = ma = mv^2/r)

You take into account the MASS OF THE CHILD, NOT THAT OF THE MERRY GO ROUND...where did YOU learn physics trig?
So, if the one turning is the Sun, you take into account the mass of the Sun, but if the object turning is a Merry-go-round you do not take into account the mass of the Merry-go-round, and instead use the child's weight?

I take back what I said about you not going to High School physics. I now rather think you take all of us for total idiots who don't understand formulas. But guess again, many people know the difference between the object that exerts a force and the object upon which a force is exerted.

This thread is looking all the time more like the one in which Tom Bishop says plants do not need light to grow to full maturity, or the one in which Parsifal tells us that the trees are in on the Conspiracy. In other words, another blatant trolling thread.

And again, where is the source of your quote about Vega and the Solar System? Where is your explanation on the use of evolution to explain rock formations? Why do you admire so much Dr. Neville Jones if he clearly demolishes such FE dogmas as satellites and gravity? Quoting anything where someone talks badly about a scientist or scientists in general is just trolling.

#### sandokhan

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2010, 10:09:50 AM »
As you begin to take action toward the fulfillment of your goals and dreams, you must realize that not every action will be perfect. Not every action will produce the desired result. Not every action will work. Making mistakes, getting it almost right, and experimenting to see what happens are all part of the process of eventually getting it right.

Punishing honest mistakes stifles creativity. I want people moving and shaking the earth and they're going to make mistakes.

Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.

When it comes to the burden of proof subject, few people know or even realize that the entire soviet/russian space program was completely faked from the very start (Lunik/Sputnik/Gagarin/Leonov/Soyuz/Mir):

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=606#p26271

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#### General Disarray

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2010, 11:27:33 AM »
Few people even know or realize that the entire earth exploded roughly 486.5 years ago. Doesn't make that true either.
You don't want to make an enemy of me. I'm very powerful.

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#### jackofhearts

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2010, 07:00:04 PM »
When it comes to the burden of proof subject, few people know or even realize that the entire soviet/russian space program was completely faked from the very start (Lunik/Sputnik/Gagarin/Leonov/Soyuz/Mir):

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=606#p26271

May I ask how the Soviet/Russian Space Program has anything to do with burden of proof?

Trolling makes me angry.

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#### the flying russian

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2010, 01:57:19 PM »
What is more, the presence of iron in the shell or the migration of heavy metals from the core to the shell has not been sufficiently explained. For these metals to have left the core, they must have been ejected by explosions, and in order to remain spread through the crust, the explosions must have been followed immediately by cooling.
Volcanoes, meteorites and plate tectonics would account for heavy metals found in the crust/mantle.

If, in the beginning, the planet was a hot conglomerate of elements, as the nebular as well as the tidal theories assume, then the iron of the globe should have become oxidized and combined with all available oxygen. But for some unknown reasons this did not happen; thus the presence of oxygen in the terrestrial atmosphere is unexplained.
When the earth first formed, there was no oxygen on the planet for this to happen.

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#### the flying russian

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2010, 02:19:47 PM »
When it comes to the burden of proof subject, few people know or even realize that the entire soviet/russian space program was completely faked from the very start (Lunik/Sputnik/Gagarin/Leonov/Soyuz/Mir):
So fake that we pay the Russians to send us to the ISS space station...

Just a gentle reminder, the R-7 Semyorka used to launch Sputnik I was visible from the Earth's surface when Sputnik entered orbit.  Was that fake too?

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#### Thevoiceofreason

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2010, 02:44:13 PM »
levee needs to lrn2momentum and fluid mech.

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#### SSSavio

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2010, 06:29:31 AM »
The russian space program was fake??  Prove it.  Without posting link to url like BIBLEBELIEVERS.whateveryouwant.

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#### jackofhearts

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##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2010, 09:39:41 AM »
The russian space program was fake??  Prove it.  Without posting link to url like BIBLEBELIEVERS.whateveryouwant.

Trolling makes me angry.

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#### 12345SA

##### Re: Burden of Proof, Ad Ignorantiam
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2010, 12:26:44 PM »

The following pattern of cloud trajectories is possible ONLY on a stationary earth:

Can you please explain again how some youtube videos of clouds add to your argument? I understand a FE'r has to suspend belief in anything outside the immediate and touchable in order to believe the theory. When I watch the links you provided I see the how the Jet Stream and prevailing winds at various levels of the atmosphere interact with each other creating the phenomenon we call weather.

I have routed a Yacht around the world using computer models, weather reports and my own calculations. I have watched storms develop based on accepted standards of the circulatory properties of the northern and southern hemisphere and calculated where the boat should position itself in anticipation to take advantage of systems, my Yacht did not take an inordinate amount of time to transit the southern ocean nor did my skipper report strange phenomenon where he felt that he was moving faster the farther south he went.

I do not rely info from the 1850's, I rely on experience and intelligence to understand the world in which we live.