Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2010, 07:14:37 AM »
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That is irrelevant to the conversation. Please stay on topic.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2010, 07:18:55 AM »
Are you suggesting that in inverse square is not an exponent?

No, I am requesting evidence that the rate of dimming is exponential. I thought this was quite clear from my phrasing; if it was not, I do apologise.

Seeing as you are one of the more pedantic members here, I would think that you knew better by now.

As for evidence of the dimming, may I suggest that you invest in a light meter and take some readings.  Of course there is no guarantee that the Conspiracy hasn't tampered with that light meter, so I'm not sure what evidence you might accept.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2010, 07:25:59 AM »
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That is irrelevant to the conversation. Please stay on topic.
Because you can't like always, none of the FE believers can.

No, it's irrelevant because what we were talking about has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth. Are you capable of understanding fundamental debate structure, at all?

As for evidence of the dimming, may I suggest that you invest in a light meter and take some readings.  Of course there is no guarantee that the Conspiracy hasn't tampered with that light meter, so I'm not sure what evidence you might accept.

I requested that evidence be provided, not that I be told to collect some myself.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2010, 07:26:34 AM »
I'm standing somewhere the sun is shining. Light is bouncing off the ground. But strangely, the underside of objects is not brightly illuminated by an orangey pink glow like the clouds are. I can look at the ground without being blinded by reflected sunlight.
Duh.

The clouds refract the light causing you to see an "orangey pink" glow.  I highly doubt that your ambiguously identified object refract light in the same manor.  Also, I've never seen a cloud that is "blindingly" bright, why would you assume that the ground that the light is reflecting off of is blinding?  Though, if you've ever looked into a large body of water, you can easily describe the reflection of the sun as blinding.

Lrn2albedo. Duh.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2010, 07:28:19 AM »
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That is irrelevant to the conversation. Please stay on topic.
Because you can't like always, none of the FE believers can.

No, it's irrelevant because what we were talking about has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth. Are you capable of understanding fundamental debate structure, at all?

I'm pretty sure there should be an explanation for how sunrise and sunset work on a flat earth.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2010, 07:28:31 AM »
I requested that evidence be provided, not that I be told to collect some myself.

Oh, bad LUCK that you didn't get what you asked for. We can't have jelly and ice cream for every meal, can we?
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2010, 07:28:53 AM »
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No, it's irrelevant because what we were talking about has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth. Are you capable of understanding fundamental debate structure, at all?
Oh my typical response from an ignorant member. I know how to debate but this isn't the debate forum.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2010, 08:48:58 AM »
I requested that evidence be provided, not that I be told to collect some myself.

Why would you ask for evidence that everyone knows that you won't accept?
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2010, 10:03:59 AM »
Because he would realise that all the the things he believe in is a lie. Then his whole life is also a lie... so well you probably picture what happens afterwards.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2010, 10:48:12 AM »
Answer the question.  It's the effing subject of the thread.

It's important that you know changing people's words is a deceitful tactic.  If caught doing it in a more serious capacity, it can be construed as libel.  Here, it just makes your arguments appear weak and unfounded; as you have to rely on altering posts rather than addressing them at face-value.

To answer your question, I have seen both the sun's spotlight move in, and out of view.
Thats incredibly pedantic.
Especially when you said that you thought the question was foolish and asinine.You KNOW what he meant by a sunrise and sunset,in either case it is the sun coming and going out of view.
Also,the difference in asking a non-proponent in explaining UA is that it doesn't happen in both RE and FE.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2010, 01:50:29 PM »
The sun's radiant energy decreases exponentially with distance.

No it doesn't.

Inverse Square Law.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2010, 04:57:42 PM »
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That is irrelevant to the conversation. Please stay on topic.
Because you can't like always, none of the FE believers can.

No, it's irrelevant because what we were talking about has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth. Are you capable of understanding fundamental debate structure, at all?

As for evidence of the dimming, may I suggest that you invest in a light meter and take some readings.  Of course there is no guarantee that the Conspiracy hasn't tampered with that light meter, so I'm not sure what evidence you might accept.

I requested that evidence be provided, not that I be told to collect some myself.
Parsifail, get a clue, as I have explained to you time and time again the inverse square law governs the intensity of all EM sources over distance.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2010, 06:05:44 PM »
Parsifail, get a clue, as I have explained to you time and time again the inverse square law governs the intensity of all EM sources over distance.

The inverse square law is not an exponential relationship.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2010, 06:11:33 PM »
Parsifal, are you going to actually try to explain sunrise and sunset WITHOUT using bendy light, or are you just going to keep trying to be  atroll and derail the thread further?

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2010, 06:17:32 PM »
Parsifail, get a clue, as I have explained to you time and time again the inverse square law governs the intensity of all EM sources over distance.

The inverse square law is not an exponential relationship.

Then what is the inverse square law?
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2010, 07:01:05 PM »
inverse squared means that it decreases with respect to the square of the distance. this is known as a polynomial and could colloquially be referred to as exponential because it decreases really fast. but it's not exactly accurate.
this means like, 1/(r^2)

so, at 1 meter, intensity = 100%
at 2 meters, intensity = 25%
at 3 meters, intensity = 1/9
at 4 meters, intensity = 1/16

exponential means that it decreases according to some variable to the power of the distance
this means like 0.1^r

so at 1 meter, intensity = 100%
at two meters, intensity = 10%
at three meters, intensity = 1%

anyway, light intensity decreases according to inverse squared law and i have personally done physics experiments that confirm this.
this isn't "exponential" but it is rapid decay.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2010, 08:39:13 PM »
The inverse square law is not an exponential relationship.

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Then what is the inverse square law?

It is an inverse square relationship. An exponent being present in an equation is insufficient to qualify it as an exponential equation.

Parsifal, are you going to actually try to explain sunrise and sunset WITHOUT using bendy light, or are you just going to keep trying to be  atroll and derail the thread further?

Bendy light explains sunrise and sunset. Asking for an explanation of sunrise/sunset in FET without bendy light is like asking for an explanation of why objects fall in RET without gravitation.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2010, 08:56:06 PM »
The inverse square law is not an exponential relationship.

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Then what is the inverse square law?

It is an inverse square relationship. An exponent being present in an equation is insufficient to qualify it as an exponential equation.

???  Who said anything about the inverse square law being exponential equation? 
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
In physics, an inverse-square law is any physical law stating that some physical quantity or strength is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source of that physical quantity.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2010, 09:06:40 PM »
Since most FE'ers don't believe in bendy light, I believe the OP was looking for someone who does not ascribe to bendy light theory to tell us what they believe the explanation is. Therefore your presence is not required on this thread.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2010, 09:09:57 PM »
Bendy light explains sunrise and sunset. Asking for an explanation of sunrise/sunset in FET without bendy light is like asking for an explanation of why objects fall in RET without gravitation.
So, in other words, you can't do it.  And since bendy light has been disproved, there is no way for FET to explain sunrise, and sunset.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2010, 01:00:39 AM »
But, if the reddish glow that the clouds get right before daylight hits and right before night hits, is caused by the sun's light reflecting off the Earth, why isn't it that color all the time?

The suns light is chaotic around the edges.  The light it shines isn't always the same color, sometimes it's more red or more orange than normal.  Not to mention other colors you have seen.  This effect of colors of the spectrum being repressed around the edges can only be seen during "sun rises" and "sun sets" (as that's when the edges of the spotlight are more prominent), and it's not always present.  You can see it for yourself on most days.

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2010, 01:50:53 AM »
So, about that stuff about the sun appearing to rise and set...

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2010, 04:14:39 AM »
So, about that stuff about the sun appearing to rise and set...
optical illusion

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2010, 05:01:04 AM »
So, about that stuff about the sun appearing to rise and set...
optical illusion

Retarded answer.
Really is this the best answer the Flat earth believers can come up with? 

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2010, 05:42:31 AM »
optical illusion

Wow, WOW there Mr. Science!  Hang on a second!  You're blinding me with all this in-depth, detailed information!

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2010, 05:45:14 AM »
optical illusion

Wow, WOW there Mr. Science!  Hang on a second!  You're blinding me with all this in-depth, detailed information!

Take all the time you need.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2010, 06:20:06 AM »
So, about that stuff about the sun appearing to rise and set...
optical illusion
Please, elaborate with your scientific diagrams as to what is causing these optical illusions.  You also have to explain why it's only at these times of day that the UNDERSIDES of the clouds are illuminated.  And remember, you are NOT allowed to use bendy light to explain your optical illusions.

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2010, 06:28:53 AM »
optical illusion

Wow, WOW there Mr. Science!  Hang on a second!  You're blinding me with all this in-depth, detailed information!

Take all the time you need.

Evidently FEers don't understand sarcasm either.  Pongo, please STOP AVOIDING THE POINTS.  You gave an apparently random phrase that raised more questions than answers.  Are you going to explain yourself, or continue pushing things back with trivial rhetoric?

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2010, 07:06:44 AM »
He's plucking at straws, what do you expect, a good answer?