Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2010, 07:29:04 AM »
So, about that stuff about the sun appearing to rise and set...
optical illusion

Tell us how this optical illusion works.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #61 on: May 31, 2010, 12:44:41 AM »
So, about that stuff about the sun appearing to rise and set...
optical illusion

Tell us how this optical illusion works.

Due to the distance of the sun, when it moves into your view it only appears to rise.

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #62 on: May 31, 2010, 02:50:48 AM »
Things move close to me without appearing to rise.  Things move away without appearing to fall.  What the hell optical illusion are you talking about, Pongo?  What makes the celestial bodies different than every other object in existence?  What would cause thing moving parallel to my field of vision to begin dropping down below other things?

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #63 on: May 31, 2010, 03:56:45 AM »
Due to the distance of the sun, when it moves into your view it only appears to rise.

This makes no sense. Please tell us more.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #64 on: May 31, 2010, 04:44:09 AM »
Things move close to me without appearing to rise.  Things move away without appearing to fall.  What the hell optical illusion are you talking about, Pongo?  What makes the celestial bodies different than every other object in existence?  What would cause thing moving parallel to my field of vision to begin dropping down below other things?
Distance.

Due to the distance of the sun, when it moves into your view it only appears to rise.

This makes no sense. Please tell us more.

I'm not sure how further I can dumb-down these concepts.  They aren't exactly difficult in the first place.

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #65 on: May 31, 2010, 05:36:20 AM »
And what stops the sun from shining on the entire earth all the time? After all, it is allegedly ABOVE the earth.


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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #67 on: May 31, 2010, 06:04:37 AM »
His "Optical illusion" answer is made to be so general it answers everything.

Ofcourse it doesn't work when you try to explain it in depth.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2010, 06:22:35 AM »
I'm not sure how further I can dumb-down these concepts.  They aren't exactly difficult in the first place.

No you posted something nonsensical. If that's as good as it gets then FET is dooomed. Please tell us more.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2010, 08:33:20 AM »
Due to the distance of the sun, when it moves into your view it only appears to rise.

This makes no sense. Please tell us more.

I'm not sure how further I can dumb-down these concepts.  They aren't exactly difficult in the first place.

Don't dumb down the concepts, smarten them up.  If he concepts aren't that difficult, then you should have no problem giving a detailed explanation.
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #70 on: June 01, 2010, 07:35:18 AM »
So, about that stuff about the sun appearing to rise and set...
optical illusion

Tell us how this optical illusion works.

Due to the distance of the sun, when it moves into your view it only appears to rise.
Ah, kind of like an airplane disappearing into the distance.  How it seems to reach the horizon, right?  Well, that still does not explain how it illuminates the undersides of the clouds with reddish-orange light.  Also, since the FAQ claims that the sun is only 32 miles wide and is already 3000 miles away from anyone standing directly under it, it would appear to shrink and disappear from view well before sunset.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #71 on: June 01, 2010, 12:29:00 PM »
Well, that still does not explain how it illuminates the undersides of the clouds with reddish-orange light. 

I've explained this.  How am I expected to have a meaningful dialog if you just ignore my posts?

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #72 on: June 01, 2010, 01:13:19 PM »
Well, that still does not explain how it illuminates the undersides of the clouds with reddish-orange light. 

I've explained this.  How am I expected to have a meaningful dialog if you just ignore my posts?

You didn't explain it.  You made an excuse.  You said it was from the sun's light being reflected from the Earth, but did absolutely nothing to explain why it was orange or how such a scattered reflection would result in perfectly uniform light.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2010, 01:30:17 PM »

 How am I expected to have a meaningful dialog if you just ignore my posts?

That's what the Round Earthers have been saying to the flat guys for years.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2010, 01:32:28 PM »
How am I expected to have a meaningful dialog if you just ignore my posts?

Please read ENaG. It contains all the answers you need.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #75 on: June 01, 2010, 07:06:52 PM »
The sun's radiant energy decreases exponentially with distance.

No it doesn't.
I see what you did there...
its an inverse quadratic, but the limits at infinity are the same, so bugger off.
DeJa vu

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Thevoiceofreason

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2010, 07:17:22 PM »
So, about that stuff about the sun appearing to rise and set...
optical illusion

Tell us how this optical illusion works.

Due to the distance of the sun, when it moves into your view it only appears to rise.

sir, have you ever been in say a lit hallway with circular ceiling lights? you'll notice that the lights from far away don't sink or rise, rather they just change size and shape, i.e. become elliptical. whereas the sun doesn't appear to change either

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2010, 07:20:03 PM »
Well, that still does not explain how it illuminates the undersides of the clouds with reddish-orange light. 

I've explained this.  How am I expected to have a meaningful dialog if you just ignore my posts?

You didn't explain it.  You made an excuse.  You said it was from the sun's light being reflected from the Earth, but did absolutely nothing to explain why it was orange or how such a scattered reflection would result in perfectly uniform light.
Pongo, you also didn't explain why it only does this at certain times of day.  If the reddish illumination on the bottoms of clouds is caused by sunlight reflecting off the surface of the Earth, why isn't it this color all the time?

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2010, 01:13:45 AM »
You didn't explain it.  You made an excuse.  You said it was from the sun's light being reflected from the Earth, but did absolutely nothing to explain why it was orange or how such a scattered reflection would result in perfectly uniform light.

Yes I did, please work on your reading comprehension.

sir, have you ever been in say a lit hallway with circular ceiling lights? you'll notice that the lights from far away don't sink or rise, rather they just change size and shape, i.e. become elliptical. whereas the sun doesn't appear to change either

A hallway is hardly enough distance to see this effect in action.

Pongo, you also didn't explain why it only does this at certain times of day.  If the reddish illumination on the bottoms of clouds is caused by sunlight reflecting off the surface of the Earth, why isn't it this color all the time?

I did explain this, please reread my posts.  Many times if you have to.



I again ask, how am I expected to have a meaningful dialog if you just ignore my posts?

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #79 on: June 02, 2010, 06:09:10 AM »
What it's like arguing with pongo:


"Why does my stove appear red-hot?"

"It's not actually red-hot.  There are little demons running through the coils that heat them."

"But that doesn't make any sense."

"Zetetic method.  Optical illusion.  lrn2read."

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Crustinator

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #80 on: June 02, 2010, 06:20:23 AM »
I again ask, how am I expected to have a meaningful dialog if you just ignore my posts?

We're not ignoring them. Just wondering why they make no sense.

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Sliver

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #81 on: June 02, 2010, 07:26:34 PM »
You didn't explain it.  You made an excuse.  You said it was from the sun's light being reflected from the Earth, but did absolutely nothing to explain why it was orange or how such a scattered reflection would result in perfectly uniform light.

Yes I did, please work on your reading comprehension.

sir, have you ever been in say a lit hallway with circular ceiling lights? you'll notice that the lights from far away don't sink or rise, rather they just change size and shape, i.e. become elliptical. whereas the sun doesn't appear to change either

A hallway is hardly enough distance to see this effect in action.

Pongo, you also didn't explain why it only does this at certain times of day.  If the reddish illumination on the bottoms of clouds is caused by sunlight reflecting off the surface of the Earth, why isn't it this color all the time?

I did explain this, please reread my posts.  Many times if you have to.



I again ask, how am I expected to have a meaningful dialog if you just ignore my posts?
So you're saying that the light shining from the edges of the spotlight sun is reddish-orange.  And that this light reflecting off the Earth is what illuminates that undersides of the clouds with this color.  And that it is an optical illusion that makes the sun appear to rise and set.  Did I get all that right?

Explain something, why is the color change not seen an any other light source?

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #82 on: June 03, 2010, 02:49:49 AM »
What it's like arguing with pongo:
"Why does my stove appear red-hot?"
"It's not actually red-hot.  There are little demons running through the coils that heat them."
"But that doesn't make any sense."
"Zetetic method.  Optical illusion.  lrn2read."

When have I ever mentioned the zetetic method?

Explain something, why is the color change not seen an any other light source?

The sun is the only known disc-like object to burn so brightly and seemingly unendingly.  It's hardly comparable to any other light source in any meaningful way.

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Sliver

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #83 on: June 03, 2010, 06:02:30 AM »
What it's like arguing with pongo:
"Why does my stove appear red-hot?"
"It's not actually red-hot.  There are little demons running through the coils that heat them."
"But that doesn't make any sense."
"Zetetic method.  Optical illusion.  lrn2read."

When have I ever mentioned the zetetic method?

Explain something, why is the color change not seen an any other light source?

The sun is the only known disc-like object to burn so brightly and seemingly unendingly.  It's hardly comparable to any other light source in any meaningful way.
It produces the same spectrum of visible light, does it not?  Name one other light source that not only produces the full spectrum, AND produces shades of reddish-orange ONLY when viewed at a distance and ONLY when looking at it's edge. 

Face it, Pongo, without bendy light, the entire concept of a spotlight/floodlight sun falls apart.  There is just no way to make it all work.

Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #84 on: June 03, 2010, 06:10:26 AM »
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The sun is the only known disc-like object to burn so brightly and seemingly unendingly.  It's hardly comparable to any other light source in any meaningful way.

What in the world does the length something is emitting light have to do with the instantaneous properties of that light? Again, this is the whole "there is nothing else like X so if you object to my ascribing of special properties to X it is only because you do not understand that X is special" nonsense. It's illogical. This is about the wavelength of the sunlight shifting from the yellower region into the longer red regions, not about pointing out how special the sun is compared to other objects that also emit light.

You do understand what light is, right? It is a stream of photons causing sinusoidal fluctuations to the electric and magnetic fields of nearby space. The sun's great intensity just means that more photons are being absorbed by the earth per unit time than from most other light sources. But the properties of individual photons of a certain wavelength are independent of how many other photons are around it. So your mention of brightness is irrelevant, as well.

The sun is VERY comparable to any other natural light source, and so Sliver's question is quite valid. It is NONSENSE to explain away questionable claims by saying "because it's special."

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #85 on: June 03, 2010, 06:17:10 AM »
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The sun is the only known disc-like object to burn so brightly and seemingly unendingly.  It's hardly comparable to any other light source in any meaningful way.

What in the world does the length something is emitting light have to do with the instantaneous properties of that light? Again, this is the whole "there is nothing else like X so if you object to my ascribing of special properties to X it is only because you do not understand that X is special" nonsense. It's illogical. This is about the wavelength of the sunlight shifting from the yellower region into the longer red regions, not about pointing out how special the sun is compared to other objects that also emit light.

You do understand what light is, right? It is a stream of photons causing sinusoidal fluctuations to the electric and magnetic fields of nearby space. The sun's great intensity just means that more photons are being absorbed by the earth per unit time than from most other light sources. But the properties of individual photons of a certain wavelength are independent of how many other photons are around it. So your mention of brightness is irrelevant, as well.

The sun is VERY comparable to any other natural light source, and so Sliver's question is quite valid. It is NONSENSE to explain away questionable claims by saying "because it's special."
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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #86 on: June 03, 2010, 07:11:34 AM »
The sun is the only known disc-like object to burn so brightly and seemingly unendingly.  It's hardly comparable to any other light source in any meaningful way.

FET says the moon is a disc. It "burns" brightly. Thanks to the glowing plant life on the surface if you believe James.

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Re: Sunrise and Sunset (WITHOUT Bendy Light)
« Reply #87 on: June 04, 2010, 04:06:34 PM »
he still hasn't explained

1. how you can illuminate half a disk with a circular light.
2. why the light source doesn't change shape. and pongo's argument against the hallway thing doesn't make sense, simple perspective, things get smaller in the x direction as they move along the x axis