Shouldn't it be obvious?

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« on: August 12, 2006, 02:58:00 PM »
Ok, so in the Flat Earth model the Earth's surface is basically flat and the sky is a curved dome over it. Well this looks pretty obvious at first glance, I mean the sky certainly looks like a dome- you can see it curve over you, heck you can even see where it ends- right at the horizon! And the Earth seems quite flat too, besides the occasional mountain or valley. So, if the sky is a flat dome curving over the Earth- um, WHY is the horizon only a few miles away? I assume you guys agree that the Earth is several thousand miles across, so why does the sky dome appear to end less than ten miles away (depending on the viewer's height of course)? And why exactly do boats appear to sink as they sail away?

How many people here are actually Flat-Earthers, and how many just come here to poke fun at their stupidity? Can anyone actually be that stupid?
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2006, 03:10:37 PM »
More questions-
If satellites don't exist, how does Google Earth cover the entire planet in such high detail? Do FEers realize how many airplane flights this would require?
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2006, 03:33:36 PM »
In the first paragraph, it is all atmospheric distortion, the atmosphere is not perfectly clear, so after a few miles, all you see is blue, from the atmosphere.   As for the ship, I have heard that it is a perspective effect, and that it is due to the ocean spray.  The spray comes and covers the bottom, and then the atmospheric distortion kicks in and you loose the whole boat.

and the google earth thing, It has been covered in length in other threads, as have the other things, but those answers i know off the top of my head  :lol:
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2006, 03:44:32 PM »
Reading that amount of stupidity cut my life expectancy five years...
If there was actually some atmospheric distortion effect that caused the horizon, then objects would appear to get quite blurry when they approached the horizon- however they do not. What does happen is that they appear to sink. No perspective effect would cause this- perspective causes objects to grow smaller in the distance; it would not cause them to disappear from the bottom up.

This is all patently ridiculous...
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2006, 03:49:35 PM »
Than leave...

noone is making you stay here, you are given answers, and you spit in my face.

I dont know about you, but when I see something disappear in the horizon, they dont just disappear all at once, they actaully do tend to get smaller and harder to see.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2006, 04:08:21 PM »
I didn't mean to "spit in your face", but everything you said sounds pretty dumb. I could have refuted anything you said with a seventh-grade education. Actually, however, from your first post I thought you weren't a flat earther, but just explaining what their beliefs are.

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I dont know about you, but when I see something disappear in the horizon, they dont just disappear all at once, they actaully do tend to get smaller and harder to see.


Smaller and harder to see, yes, but there is no evidence of this distortion you are talking about. The fact is that the distance to the horizon increases the higher you are. If the horizon was caused by atmospheric distortion, then it would appear to be the same distance no matter how high I stood.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2006, 04:12:34 PM »
Atmosphere tends to become thinner as you go to higher altitudes.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2006, 04:13:56 PM »
A difference in height of a few feet makes no difference in the atmosphere's thickness, but it does make a substantial change in the horizon's distance.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2006, 04:49:54 PM »
It also makes a substantial difference to the angle you are looking.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2006, 04:56:36 PM »
Even if you look at the same angle, the horizon is farther away the higher you climb.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2006, 05:55:57 PM »
if you look at the same angle and rise a few feet, you will not be able to see the horizon.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2006, 06:19:04 PM »
That's quite incorrect, because our vertical field of view is much wider than one degree. You would have to rise a great height to be unable to see the horizon while looking at the same angle. Illustration:


http://www.freewebs.com/mightyg16/horizon.bmp

The stick figures are people, blue is the horizon line, green is the boundaries of the Field-of-View of the people. And even a 10-foot difference in height changes the horizon distance by nearly 2 miles.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2006, 06:37:49 PM »
But you are only looking at one angle, you said so yourself.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2006, 06:49:14 PM »
Yes- but even when you are looking at only one angle, your field of view is so wide that you would still see the horizon, even looking from the same angle at greatly different heights. In any case, why would the angle you look at change the amount of atmospheric distortion?

Another question- if gravity is caused by the Earth's constant acceleration, then why does the rest of the solar system not appear to be moving away from us?
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2006, 07:19:25 PM »
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Another question- if gravity is caused by the Earth's constant acceleration, then why does the rest of the solar system not appear to be moving away from us?

They will respond "Because it is moving too."
But then what about the Roche limit? And if that is the case why do I fall back to earth when I jump?
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2006, 07:40:34 PM »
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Another question- if gravity is caused by the Earth's constant acceleration, then why does the rest of the solar system not appear to be moving away from us?

They will respond "Because it is moving too."
But then what about the Roche limit? And if that is the case why do I fall back to earth when I jump?


That's a REALLY good point.
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