A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #60 on: May 27, 2010, 07:11:33 AM »
Their claims and ideas do not affect how we view the world in FET.

So you're saying NASA is factual (or at least not lying) but you deliberately ignore everything they say?
Come on, Ichi.  Answer this one, please!

What he is asking has nothing to do with what I said. NASA IS lying.

About that...

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=39153.60

Mind carrying on the discussion about NASA there?  The FE'ers must've stopped responding when they realized I was right.  I'd be delighted to carry on debating with you.

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2010, 07:15:00 AM »
Carry on debating with me? I dont think I even posted in that thread. Besides it looks like Vongeo is entertaininng your questions just fine.
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2010, 07:36:10 AM »
Carry on debating with me? I dont think I even posted in that thread. Besides it looks like Vongeo is entertaininng your questions just fine.

No, he stopped, and all his arguments were not thought out and completely wrong.  I'd rather pick up the conversation with you to see what you have to say.

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2010, 07:43:20 AM »
I haven't had time to respond, but Tom is spot on with all his observations and responses.

Mind sharing your ideas on the flaws of Scientific Method?  Because I'm pretty sure we ruled them all out...

Yes JOHN DAVIS please do. 

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2010, 09:32:52 AM »
I haven't had time to respond, but Tom is spot on with all his observations and responses.

Mind sharing your ideas on the flaws of Scientific Method?  Because I'm pretty sure we ruled them all out...

Yes JOHN DAVIS please do.  
Fixed.
He was correct.  I'd quit using one word posts trying to be clever if I were you.

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2010, 09:59:58 AM »
Correct, the theory of sickness caused by viruses and bacteria is separate and different than the theory of sickness caused by bad smells.

Uh huh. One has supporting evidence, the other doesn't.

Idiotic denial get you nowhere.

Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2010, 12:49:46 PM »
I haven't had time to respond, but Tom is spot on with all his observations and responses.

Mind sharing your ideas on the flaws of Scientific Method?  Because I'm pretty sure we ruled them all out...

Yes JOHN DAVIS please do.  
Fixed.
He was correct.  I'd quit using one word posts trying to be clever if I were you.

I'm leaving ofr a meeting and will respond to the quoted post when I return.

I'll be counting the moments.

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2010, 02:03:56 PM »
its nearly impossible, if not useless, to experiment without a hypothesis.  Although it is possible, it rarely happens, and im not sure people would call those hypothesisless experiments.

would anyone here experiment to see if lets say, copper was a superconductor?  Well, thats a hypothesis right there.

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2010, 02:10:16 PM »
The conspiracy is not a part of FET.

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This is probably the WORST thing I've ever heard.
Without the conspiracy, every picture NASA has ever sent would crush all of FET.
NASA is not involved in FET. Their pictures do not affect FET. Same with the other space agencies.
You said here that the conspiracy is not involved with FET.Except it HAS to be otherwise the photos are real and FET is disporven.
Again, what effect does their photos have on FET? None. Does any FE er change his ideas and model of the Earth because of NASA? No. Is NASA a factor at all when FE ers experiment or come up with new theories? No. Is NASA or their claims taken into account when detailing the FE? No.
The conspiracy simply wants to claim different than FET. It is not a part of FET.
Thier photos prove the earth is round,in direct opposition to FET.Of course no FE er is going to change because of NASA,they BELIEVE its a conspiracy,otherwise they wouldn't think the earth is flat.

Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #69 on: May 27, 2010, 03:17:40 PM »
Make a link outta this everyone, we win...

...until a FE'er responds?

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #70 on: May 28, 2010, 02:44:05 PM »
The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2010, 03:02:35 PM »
The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.

In what way are they compromised due to money?  The Scientific Method is the only way to prove something indefinitely.  Zeteticism, however, allows for huge margins of error and seriously blurs the line between guessing and reality.

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #72 on: May 28, 2010, 03:20:25 PM »
The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.

A biased?
More like a condition.

Science:
IF X show Y then Z else not Z

Zet:
X show Y so Z

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #73 on: May 28, 2010, 04:57:08 PM »
The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.
Here is a simple question.

A supermarket is out of apples.  How is zetetiscm going to figure out why they are out of apples better than the scientific method? 
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #74 on: May 28, 2010, 09:19:41 PM »
The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.

Not at all.  In fact, scientists tend to learn more when their experiments fail.
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2010, 05:18:41 AM »
The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.

Oh, I see you're confusing bias with hypothesis.

Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2010, 12:24:55 AM »
ZETETICISM DOESN'T EXIST.

All the "research" FEer's do is done with a hypothesis in mind. The hypothesis??? "The earth must be flat therefore..."

Fill in the blank with any number of the ridiculous things done on this website without any evidence, but rather with the BIAS of FET.

-The FET map
-Rowbotham's Canal studies
-The cycle of the sun
-UA
-Sky Mirror
-Anti-moon
-The moon as a flat disc
-The Ice Wall
-How GPS works
-Flight Times

It's insanity. You guys are literally insane to think that WE are the ones without evidence. You contradict all the things that are imperial and true in this world with NON-evidence.

There is no such thing as Zeteticism because there is no such thing as a person without bias. At least the scientific method tries to account for bias by using checks and balances.

If I have to start with one thing, FE has to admit that their map isn't zetetic. It's a complete farce.

Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2010, 07:25:59 AM »
And the FE'ers say that we make more assumptions then them.  What a load of crap.

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2010, 09:43:29 PM »
Please show me the zetetic evidence supporting the FE map.


Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2010, 11:09:49 PM »
In the Scientific Method we're told to hypothesize first, experiment later.

Without a hypothesis, how do you know what you're testing for?

The Scientific Method doesn't have you prove what's true. It has you attempting to prove your hypothesis true.

Stop lying.  It ISN'T attempting to prove a hypothesis true.  It accepts both evidence for and against the hypothesis.  Stop projecting your own confirmation bias onto the method that cures your illnesses.

The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.

You need to stop lying too--or learn what the word "bias" means.

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #80 on: May 31, 2010, 12:52:08 AM »


The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.

You need to stop lying too--or learn what the word "bias" means.

All username did was repeat what tom said and then ran away.  They can't prove anything. 
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #81 on: May 31, 2010, 03:03:08 AM »


The simple nature of choosing first a bias, then testing against that bias, and finally interpreting the data against that bias pollutes the fruits of the scientific method.  Its no wonder non-zet. studies and research are compromised due to money.

You need to stop lying too--or learn what the word "bias" means.

All username did was repeat what tom said and then ran away.  They can't prove anything. 

That's all JOHN DAVIS did too.
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #82 on: May 31, 2010, 03:52:39 AM »
That's all JOHN DAVIS did too.

I think sokarul is subtly pointing out that "username" used to be an alias of "John Davis".

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #83 on: May 31, 2010, 08:29:11 AM »
*sigh*  John Davis used to be Username.  James used to be Dogplatter.  Parsifal used to be RoboSteve.  Some old timers around here still use their older usernames.
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2010, 04:14:24 AM »
So...the FE map isn't Zetetic?

 ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::) ??? ??? ???

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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #85 on: June 01, 2010, 04:38:14 AM »
Nothing here is zetetic, except from the "I look out my window- whoops, it's flat outside! The earth is flat!!". Everything else is based on that assumption, and therefore not zetetic.
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #86 on: June 01, 2010, 06:32:07 AM »
I posted this in another thread:

The only part of FET which seems to be "zetetic" is that the ground appears flat in your own small viewing area.

Everything else (The UA, antimoon, sub-moon, bendy light, bioluminescent sun and moon, the ice wall, the conspiracy even though they state that it isn't actually part of the theory, harmful moonlight, the earth magically not producing a gravitational field, electrostatic repulsion keeping the stars planets and sun aloft, any map they can come up with, etc.) are theories with not even observational evidence to back them up, therefore are anti-zetetic. To make any of these predictions, you must first assume that the earth is flat, and that the RE explanations are wrong, which zeteticism forbids.
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Re: A FE'er please explain Zetetisicm
« Reply #87 on: June 01, 2010, 07:32:23 AM »
Nothing here is zetetic, except from the "I look out my window- whoops, it's flat outside! The earth is flat!!". Everything else is based on that assumption, and therefore not zetetic.

Even that isn't zetetic because the earth doesn't look like a flat plane out of the window. The sea horizon would be a lot further away and gradually fade out rather than being a sharp line like it is if it looked flat.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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« Reply #89 on: June 02, 2010, 06:55:18 AM »
So...the FE map isn't Zetetic?

 ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::) ??? ??? ???

Smiley face overload. 

And no, it's not Zetetic.  Because the FE map doesn't even exist yet.  Better yet, it's not even possible.

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