# Lets talk about the Tropic lines.

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#### The Question1

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##### Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« on: May 24, 2010, 09:27:28 PM »
Now,if you ever looked at a map/globe you have probably seen these lines.You may have also seen that they are the same lengths.
Their is however,a discrepancy between the RE map and the FE map.
In an actual map they are as described above.
However in an FE map:

Its a rough sketch(since photobucket does not have a circle thingy)
The red is the Tropic of Cancer,and the blue is the Tropic of Capricorn.
Why the difference in length?

#### Pongo

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2010, 11:06:30 PM »
...They are different because the earth is flat.

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#### Deceiver

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2010, 11:53:34 PM »
...They are different because the earth is flat.

That's obvious from the picture Pongo.

What he was getting at is why do the tropics have the same measured length in reality, yet on the flat earth map, one is obviously longer than the other. In other words... the FE map contradicts the data.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2010, 11:55:47 PM by Deceiver »

#### Tom Bishop

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2010, 11:55:21 PM »
What data?

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#### Deceiver

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2010, 11:56:54 PM »
What data?

<facepalm>
Surely someone here is capable of actually trying to logically address the problems raised in the OP.

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Any data Tom. Flight data, boat data, map data, satellite data, etc. I was referring to the vast body of knowledge accumulated from travel around the globe. You know, the stuff people figure out when they bother to measure things outside their front porch. Cartography, specifically the measurements used to compile maps.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 12:13:40 AM by Deceiver »

#### Tom Bishop

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 12:13:29 AM »
I don't see any data.

How about presenting some data rather than waving your hands around and expecting us to assume that it exists and that it agrees with you?

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#### Deceiver

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2010, 12:17:24 AM »
I don't see any data.

How about presenting some data rather than waving your hands around and expecting us to assume that it exists and that it agrees with you?

FE doesn't even have a working map of the earth. The Zetetic Africa map, compiled centuries ago isn't even remotely accurate, otherwise it would match up with what mariners and merchants use. Surely they'd notice if the continent was as wide as it is long. Double standard much?
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 12:32:48 AM by Deceiver »

#### Tom Bishop

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 12:31:30 AM »
So no data then?

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#### Deceiver

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 12:32:55 AM »
So no data then?

If you understood map construction then you wouldn't ask that question. Maps themselves are nothing but compilations of data represented by spatial relationships. By looking at a map that has the Gulf Stream Current, you are looking at the embodiment of data which indicated that such a body existed, and that it has a measurable spacial relation to everything else on that map.

Anyway, this is how you make a map. You start with a sheet of paper or a program, and using GPS or calculating distances to landmarks and boundaries using old school triangulation surveying techniques, you plot points on a grid. These points are your data. As a geologist I've had plenty of experience making maps, so I can confidently tell you that the data doesn't translate to a forum board, it translates to a picture... IE, a map. Even if we did it using multiple sheets of overlaying tracing paper, that sort of thing can't be stuck on a forum board. At the same time, I don't think the hundreds of thousands of lines of raw code from the ArcGIS program that geographers use would mean much to you. But you obviously don't want me to show you maps, you want the data behind them, which as I just explained is a completely nonsensical request.

Nowadays we use digital satellite images in combination with other types of computer generated maps (zoning maps, street maps, precipitation maps, etc) and layer them ontop of each other like tracing paper and assign specific information using lines, points or polygons in order to make maps with database-like properties more useful across all sorts of disciplines. But that's neither here nor there.

The only other way for us to show you that the latitude lines of the Tropics have the same distance would involve using a private plane and flying along those lines. You are more than welcome to do this -- since FE'rs don't actually have a map that they can use to base calculations on.
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 01:21:13 AM by Deceiver »

#### Tom Bishop

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 01:42:24 AM »
Where's the data?

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2010, 01:50:25 AM »

Why the difference in length?

Tom Bishop, do you know how a thread works? In this particular one the OP is asking the FE supporterd to provide the data. That means you.
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What is this nonsense, why is the shape of the
Earth being contested in this forum? What is
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Oh the irony

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#### Thermal Detonator

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 05:01:45 AM »
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

#### The Question1

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2010, 09:06:47 AM »

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#### flyingmonkey

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 09:10:15 AM »
Atleast he can stop being a broken record now that he has some data.

Inb4 he comes up with some other bullshit excuse on why he cannot figure anything out.

#### Catchpa

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2010, 09:53:42 AM »
Ye, Bishop, exactly what data are you basing your map on?
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#### Raebodep

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2010, 12:30:06 PM »
MOAR DATA! Haha Jking

This is a simple thing to answer just a... give me a second... umm... this is a tuffy... a... WAIT I GOT IT!

Ok so there is a vortex that a.... wait wait no THE SUNS GRAVITY STRETCHES ITS! Thus making it even!  Besides there are more mountains that you have to climb so it makes the tropic of cancer as long as the other one. So that helps it makes it longer.

Our maps are to complex for you guys to understand we will reveal it when we feel that it is read. Its very hard to map the Earth when it is flat and there is no space traveling you know... So you gotta give us a break at least 10 years to do it and we don't even have a research team to do it so we gotta get them first. They also have to be paid umm you can donate it though for data on our theories though.
He didn't just wake up one morning and say "I wonder what shape the earth is".  Instead he woke up and said, "the earth looks flat, now how can I proved it".

#### The Question1

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2010, 12:40:45 PM »
Another hole for the icewall model.

Maybe we could move on to the Wilmore endorsed model?(it atleast solves this problem,i think.)

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#### flyingmonkey

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2010, 03:47:37 AM »
Another hole for the icewall model.

Maybe we could move on to the Wilmore endorsed model?(it atleast solves this problem,i think.)

It creates others.

#### Raebodep

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2010, 09:12:13 AM »
Come on FET'ers give an answer to this you can do it. MAKE US BELIEVE! I want to believe.

Also another question why do some FET have a creepy picture themselves as their avatar and its all with the same background and they are all old white men...
« Last Edit: May 26, 2010, 10:50:45 AM by Raebodep »
He didn't just wake up one morning and say "I wonder what shape the earth is".  Instead he woke up and said, "the earth looks flat, now how can I proved it".

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#### Thermal Detonator

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2010, 10:45:53 AM »

Also another question why do some FET have a creepy picture themselves as their avatar and its all with the same break round and they are all old white men...

Yeah, I've wondered that.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2010, 06:08:16 PM »

#### The Question1

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2010, 08:10:31 PM »
Come now,i am sure more FE'ers must have seen this thread.

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2010, 09:58:54 PM »
Where's the data?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/capricorn/7219910.stm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Tropic_of_Cancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenty's_formulae

The rest of the data is a mere Google search away, you lazy git.
These links provide no data since they are some calculations done by using formulas that assume the Earth is a spheroid.

#### Pongo

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2010, 11:47:37 PM »
Come on FET'ers give an answer to this you can do it. MAKE US BELIEVE! I want to believe.

If you "want" believe, why do you have an avatar pic of a pendulum?  It looks to me like you have already made up your mind and are trying to taunt us, because you incorrectly think a pendulum is proof of a round earth.

#### markjo

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2010, 04:51:17 AM »
Come on FET'ers give an answer to this you can do it. MAKE US BELIEVE! I want to believe.

If you "want" believe, why do you have an avatar pic of a pendulum?  It looks to me like you have already made up your mind and are trying to taunt us, because you incorrectly think a pendulum is proof of a round earth.

That's right, a pendulum is not evidence of a round earth.  It's evidence of a rotating earth.
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#### Thermal Detonator

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2010, 04:55:51 AM »
Where's the data?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/capricorn/7219910.stm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Tropic_of_Cancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenty's_formulae

The rest of the data is a mere Google search away, you lazy git.
These links provide no data since they are some calculations done by using formulas that assume the Earth is a spheroid.

ONE link makes that assumption and since the calculations done using that assumption agree with the actual distances in reality then it adds weight to the assumption being correct. If the assumption was completely wrong, all the figures obtained by doing the calculation would be completely screwy - but oddly enough, they aren't.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2010, 06:21:40 AM »
Where's the data?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/capricorn/7219910.stm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Tropic_of_Cancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenty's_formulae

The rest of the data is a mere Google search away, you lazy git.
These links provide no data since they are some calculations done by using formulas that assume the Earth is a spheroid.

ONE link makes that assumption and since the calculations done using that assumption agree with the actual distances in reality then it adds weight to the assumption being correct. If the assumption was completely wrong, all the figures obtained by doing the calculation would be completely screwy - but oddly enough, they aren't.

And, yet, there is no such thing. Those BBC articles explicitly refer to the formulas from the third article as the means they used to calculate the lengths of these imaginary lines on the Earth's surface.

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2010, 07:44:28 AM »
Where's the data?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/capricorn/7219910.stm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Tropic_of_Cancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenty's_formulae

The rest of the data is a mere Google search away, you lazy git.
These links provide no data since they are some calculations done by using formulas that assume the Earth is a spheroid.

ONE link makes that assumption and since the calculations done using that assumption agree with the actual distances in reality then it adds weight to the assumption being correct. If the assumption was completely wrong, all the figures obtained by doing the calculation would be completely screwy - but oddly enough, they aren't.

And, yet, there is no such thing. Those BBC articles explicitly refer to the formulas from the third article as the means they used to calculate the lengths of these imaginary lines on the Earth's surface.

Individual sections of the line are of known length by other means of measuring. Blow it out your ass.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2010, 07:47:27 AM »
Where's the data?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/capricorn/7219910.stm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Tropic_of_Cancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenty's_formulae

The rest of the data is a mere Google search away, you lazy git.
These links provide no data since they are some calculations done by using formulas that assume the Earth is a spheroid.

ONE link makes that assumption and since the calculations done using that assumption agree with the actual distances in reality then it adds weight to the assumption being correct. If the assumption was completely wrong, all the figures obtained by doing the calculation would be completely screwy - but oddly enough, they aren't.

And, yet, there is no such thing. Those BBC articles explicitly refer to the formulas from the third article as the means they used to calculate the lengths of these imaginary lines on the Earth's surface.

Individual sections of the line are of known length by other means of measuring. Blow it out your ass.
By what means and what individual lines?

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#### Thermal Detonator

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##### Re: Lets talk about the Tropic lines.
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2010, 07:51:06 AM »
Where's the data?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/capricorn/7219910.stm

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Tropic_of_Cancer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenty's_formulae

The rest of the data is a mere Google search away, you lazy git.
These links provide no data since they are some calculations done by using formulas that assume the Earth is a spheroid.

ONE link makes that assumption and since the calculations done using that assumption agree with the actual distances in reality then it adds weight to the assumption being correct. If the assumption was completely wrong, all the figures obtained by doing the calculation would be completely screwy - but oddly enough, they aren't.

And, yet, there is no such thing. Those BBC articles explicitly refer to the formulas from the third article as the means they used to calculate the lengths of these imaginary lines on the Earth's surface.

Individual sections of the line are of known length by other means of measuring. Blow it out your ass.
By what means and what individual lines?

Do a search.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.