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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #120 on: May 31, 2010, 09:02:37 AM »
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Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 05:15:58 AM
And that logic is more sound than you think.  But 'the Earth is flat until proven round' doesn't work because it has been proven round.
Really? Could you please present this proof?

Lurk moar.
Your inability to provide evidence for your claims renders your point moot. Another win for FET!

Quote from: John Walker on May 31, 2010, 09:00:01 AM
There is so much proof I don't know when to start.


Benjamin take your pick! Take your PICK!


Photographs from space.
curvature
During a lunar eclipse the shadow of the Earth is round
You can see all the planets in the solar system are round, why should we be any different?

And much more!

Please tell me... Please tell me which type of evidence do you want to see?
I have photographs of dragons, are they now real?
Prove it.
That's not the Earth's shadow.
Earth is not a planet.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #121 on: May 31, 2010, 09:04:45 AM »
This is rich coming from a Flat earth believer telling a RE believer to prove something? You Flat earth believers are hypocrites.

Yes I set you up there.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #122 on: May 31, 2010, 09:06:47 AM »
Quote from: John Walker on May 31, 2010, 09:04:45 AM
This is rich coming from a Flat earth believer telling a RE believer to prove something? You Flat earth believers are hypocrites.

Yes I set you up there.
Your inability to provide evidence for your claims renders your point moot. Another win for FET!
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #123 on: May 31, 2010, 09:07:19 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:02:37 AM
Your inability to provide evidence for your claims renders your point moot. Another win for FET!
FET has never provided any sort of proof to back itself up.  FET does not win.
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:02:37 AM
I have photographs of dragons, are they now real?
No, you don't.  Any photographs of a mythical creature would not be photographs.
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:02:37 AM
Prove it.
It's been proven.  NASA.
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:02:37 AM
That's not the Earth's shadow.
Yeah, it's the motherfucking antimoon, yet another thing you have no proof of.
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:02:37 AM
Earth is not a planet.
Yes it is.  For it to take any other shape is physically impossible.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #124 on: May 31, 2010, 09:16:05 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:02:37 AM
Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 08:52:27 AM
Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 05:15:58 AM
And that logic is more sound than you think.  But 'the Earth is flat until proven round' doesn't work because it has been proven round.
Really? Could you please present this proof?

Lurk moar.
Your inability to provide evidence for your claims renders your point moot. Another win for FET!

Failure to provide evidence for my claims?  I thought that was FET's motto.  Things you have no evidence for:

UA
Antimoon
Bendy Light
Sun's Size
The shadow during a lunar eclipse is "not Earth's"

Shall I go on, or just claim this a win for RET?
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #125 on: May 31, 2010, 09:18:28 AM »
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FET has never provided any sort of proof to back itself up.  FET does not win.
Not only is that astoundingly irrelevant, FET does not, necessarily, need proof. The Earth appears flat at our local level. We assume it is flat until evidence is provided otherwise. Please provide this evidence.
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No, you don't.  Any photographs of a mythical creature would not be photographs.
Yes, they would. Look at the following:

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It's been proven.  NASA.
Please provide this evidence.
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Yeah, it's the motherfucking antimoon, yet another thing you have no proof of.
The existence of eclipses show evidence for the antimoon.
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Yes it is.  For it to take any other shape is physically impossible.
Please provide evidence.

Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 09:16:05 AM
Failure to provide evidence for my claims?  I thought that was FET's motto.  Things you have no evidence for:

UA
Antimoon
Bendy Light
Sun's Size
The shadow during a lunar eclipse is "not Earth's"

Shall I go on, or just claim this a win for RET?
All of that is not only irrelevant, but wrong. There is evidence for all of those things accepted in the standard FE model.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #126 on: May 31, 2010, 09:20:50 AM »
Give it up guys, you can't win.

This forum is home to FET.  Nothing you say, do, prove, disprove, or backup with first hand video will have any sway over any FEer so long as it goes against their claims.  You're dealing with trolls, devil's advocates, or bigots.  In any case, debate is possible but winning the debate is impossible.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #127 on: May 31, 2010, 09:25:38 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: John Walker on May 31, 2010, 09:04:45 AM
This is rich coming from a Flat earth believer telling a RE believer to prove something? You Flat earth believers are hypocrites.

Yes I set you up there.
Your inability to provide evidence for your claims renders your point moot. Another win for FET!

Your inability to prove that the earth is flat and always back away when the question gets ask makes you look like a hypocrite and a retard. Why should I prove anything if all you FE do is say conspiracy? 
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #128 on: May 31, 2010, 09:26:19 AM »
Quote from: John Walker on May 31, 2010, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: John Walker on May 31, 2010, 09:04:45 AM
This is rich coming from a Flat earth believer telling a RE believer to prove something? You Flat earth believers are hypocrites.

Yes I set you up there.
Your inability to provide evidence for your claims renders your point moot. Another win for FET!

Your inability to prove that the earth is flat and always back away when the question gets ask makes you look like a hypocrite and a retard. Why should I prove anything if all you FE do is say conspiracy? 
Still waiting on that evidence.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #129 on: May 31, 2010, 09:27:40 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:26:19 AM
Quote from: John Walker on May 31, 2010, 09:25:38 AM
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:06:47 AM
Quote from: John Walker on May 31, 2010, 09:04:45 AM
This is rich coming from a Flat earth believer telling a RE believer to prove something? You Flat earth believers are hypocrites.

Yes I set you up there.
Your inability to provide evidence for your claims renders your point moot. Another win for FET!

Your inability to prove that the earth is flat and always back away when the question gets ask makes you look like a hypocrite and a retard. Why should I prove anything if all you FE do is say conspiracy? 
Still waiting on that evidence.

I'm still waiting for the Flat earth society to actually back up any claims they are made.  Which I asked on the first day I joined.

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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #130 on: May 31, 2010, 09:37:18 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:18:28 AM
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FET has never provided any sort of proof to back itself up.  FET does not win.
Not only is that astoundingly irrelevant, FET does not, necessarily, need proof. The Earth appears flat at our local level. We assume it is flat until evidence is provided otherwise. Please provide this evidence.
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No, you don't.  Any photographs of a mythical creature would not be photographs.
Yes, they would. Look at the following:
Sorry Ben, but a drawing of a dragon is not a photograph of a dragon.  This is a photograph of a dragon:
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #131 on: May 31, 2010, 09:53:25 AM »
Please provide the definition of a photograph, and I assure you that dragon will meet it.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #132 on: May 31, 2010, 10:31:50 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:53:25 AM
Please provide the definition of a photograph, and I assure you that dragon will meet it.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photograph
A photograph (often shortened to photo) is an image created by light  falling on a light-sensitive surface, usually photographic film or an electronic imager such as a CCD or a CMOS chip.

How does a drawing of a dragon fit that definition?  Don't tell me, let me guess;  you're going to say that it was a scan of a drawing which could possibly fit the definition.  However, what evidence to you have that the dragon picture was not entirely generated within a computer?
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #133 on: May 31, 2010, 11:34:54 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:18:28 AM
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FET has never provided any sort of proof to back itself up.  FET does not win.
Not only is that astoundingly irrelevant, FET does not, necessarily, need proof. The Earth appears flat at our local level. We assume it is flat until evidence is provided otherwise. Please provide this evidence.
Here you go, buddy.  This is an official photograph taken from apollo 7, confirmed unedited by NASA, a rather reliable source.
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No, you don't.  Any photographs of a mythical creature would not be photographs.
Yes, they would. Look at the following:
That's not a photograph.  That's a cartoon depiction of a dragon that someone put under a scanner.
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It's been proven.  NASA.
Please provide this evidence.
Here you go, buddy.  This is an official photograph taken from apollo 7, confirmed unedited by NASA, a rather reliable source.
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:18:28 AM
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Yeah, it's the motherfucking antimoon, yet another thing you have no proof of.
The existence of eclipses show evidence for the antimoon.
The existence of eclipses show evidence that the Earth is blocking sunlight from reaching the moon, creating a shadow.
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 09:18:28 AM
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Yes it is.  For it to take any other shape is physically impossible.
Please provide evidence.
All matter has mass.  All objects with mass have a gravitational pull.  A particularly large object, something even the size of Pluto, cannot exist as anything other than a sphere.  So, take Earth, which is significantly larger than Pluto.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #134 on: May 31, 2010, 11:55:50 AM »
Photograph:
An image or painting in which the subject is a physical object that was directly in front of the camera or painter as the image was being created.

Dragon:
In the context of the discussion, a biologically living creature as defined by this that expels fire from it's mouth using it's own body and no extra mechanical source, is a member of the reptile family, and is a quadruped.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #135 on: May 31, 2010, 12:22:05 PM »
Quote from: markjo on May 31, 2010, 10:31:50 AM
How does a drawing of a dragon fit that definition?  Don't tell me, let me guess;  you're going to say that it was a scan of a drawing which could possibly fit the definition.  However, what evidence to you have that the dragon picture was not entirely generated within a computer?
Quote from: Lorddave on May 31, 2010, 11:55:50 AM
Photograph:
An image or painting in which the subject is a physical object that was directly in front of the camera or painter as the image was being created.

Dragon:
In the context of the discussion, a biologically living creature as defined by this that expels fire from it's mouth using it's own body and no extra mechanical source, is a member of the reptile family, and is a quadruped.
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That's not a photograph.  That's a cartoon depiction of a dragon that someone put under a scanner.
I took a picture of that myself. It fits the definition of a photograph.

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NASA, a rather reliable source.
NASA clearly has a RE bias.

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The existence of eclipses show evidence that the Earth is blocking sunlight from reaching the moon, creating a shadow.
Evidence?

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All matter has mass.  All objects with mass have a gravitational pull.  A particularly large object, something even the size of Pluto, cannot exist as anything other than a sphere.  So, take Earth, which is significantly larger than Pluto.
Evidence?
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #136 on: May 31, 2010, 12:42:27 PM »
So... let me get this straight.

I ask a FE'er for evidence of a Flat Earth (like I asked Vongeo when he said there were still things I had left unproven), and the FE'er (Vongeo) is somehow deemed the winner.

A FE'er asks me for evidence, and when I tell him there is evidence everywhere (like Vongeo suggested), the FE'er (Ben?) is once again somehow deemed the winner?

You guys are wackjobs.  The burden of proof should be on you.  Throughout history the burden of proof has consistently been on the new theory or idea; not the old, established one.  We should be sitting here discussing why the RET is wrong; not why the FET is right.  The only reason you don't accept the burden of proof is because you know there ARE no flaws with the RET.

You guys have been incorrectly arguing your case since Day 1.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #137 on: May 31, 2010, 12:44:38 PM »
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Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #138 on: May 31, 2010, 12:47:39 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 12:22:05 PM
I took a picture of that myself. It fits the definition of a photograph.

Obvious dragon is obvious.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #139 on: May 31, 2010, 01:00:46 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 12:22:05 PM
Quote from: markjo on May 31, 2010, 10:31:50 AM
How does a drawing of a dragon fit that definition?  Don't tell me, let me guess;  you're going to say that it was a scan of a drawing which could possibly fit the definition.  However, what evidence to you have that the dragon picture was not entirely generated within a computer?
Quote from: Lorddave on May 31, 2010, 11:55:50 AM
Photograph:
An image or painting in which the subject is a physical object that was directly in front of the camera or painter as the image was being created.

Dragon:
In the context of the discussion, a biologically living creature as defined by this that expels fire from it's mouth using it's own body and no extra mechanical source, is a member of the reptile family, and is a quadruped.
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That's not a photograph.  That's a cartoon depiction of a dragon that someone put under a scanner.
I took a picture of that myself. It fits the definition of a photograph.

Well you didn't, as shown, and while it may be the definition of a photograph, it's a photograph of a dragon shaped patch, not an actual dragon as I defined.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #140 on: May 31, 2010, 01:04:35 PM »
Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 12:42:27 PM
You guys are wackjobs.  The burden of proof should be on you.  Throughout history the burden of proof has consistently been on the new theory or idea; not the old, established one.  We should be sitting here discussing why the RET is wrong; not why the FET is right.  The only reason you don't accept the burden of proof is because you know there ARE no flaws with the RET.

You guys have been incorrectly arguing your case since Day 1.
There has been no evidence shown for RET. Hence, it is not a properly established idea.


Quote from: Lorddave on May 31, 2010, 01:00:46 PM
Well you didn't, as shown, and while it may be the definition of a photograph, it's a photograph of a dragon shaped patch, not an actual dragon as I defined.
I just pulled out my camera and took a picture of it. I have a picture of a dragon.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #141 on: May 31, 2010, 01:08:40 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 12:42:27 PM
You guys are wackjobs.  The burden of proof should be on you.  Throughout history the burden of proof has consistently been on the new theory or idea; not the old, established one.  We should be sitting here discussing why the RET is wrong; not why the FET is right.  The only reason you don't accept the burden of proof is because you know there ARE no flaws with the RET.

You guys have been incorrectly arguing your case since Day 1.
There has been no evidence shown for RET. Hence, it is not a properly established idea.

Not a properly established idea?  Have you been living in solitary confinement your entire life?  Of the 6.7 billion people living on this Earth, the vast majority know/believe the Earth is round.  How is that not a properly established idea?
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #142 on: May 31, 2010, 01:10:23 PM »
Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 01:08:40 PM
How is that not a properly established idea?
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:04:35 PM
There has been no evidence shown for RET. Hence, it is not a properly established idea.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #143 on: May 31, 2010, 01:12:05 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 01:08:40 PM
How is that not a properly established idea?
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:04:35 PM
There has been no evidence shown for RET. Hence, it is not a properly established idea.

Please define properly established.  From my understanding, it means wide-spread or common, which RET is.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #144 on: May 31, 2010, 01:14:26 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:04:35 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on May 31, 2010, 01:00:46 PM
Well you didn't, as shown, and while it may be the definition of a photograph, it's a photograph of a dragon shaped patch, not an actual dragon as I defined.
I just pulled out my camera and took a picture of it. I have a picture of a dragon.

So you own www.logosoftwear.com?

Right....

And it doesn't fit the definition of Dragon as I defined it now does it?
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #145 on: May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM »
I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #146 on: May 31, 2010, 01:37:31 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM
I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

You just made... THE LIST!
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #147 on: May 31, 2010, 01:37:36 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM
I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

Evidence?
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #148 on: May 31, 2010, 01:38:08 PM »
Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 01:37:36 PM
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM
I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

Evidence?

I'm also still waiting on your definition of properly established, Ben.
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Re: To all Flat Earthers.
« Reply #149 on: May 31, 2010, 01:38:16 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on May 31, 2010, 01:37:31 PM
Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM
I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

You just made... THE LIST!
What is the THE LIST?
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