To all Flat Earthers.

Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 01:37:36 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM

I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

Evidence?

I'm also still waiting on your definition of properly established, Ben.

To be established with proper evidence.

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM

I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

Evidence?

Oh, you trust NASA but not a FE'er? You are clearly biased and biggoted.

Quote from: Lorddave on May 31, 2010, 01:37:31 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM

I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

You just made... THE LIST!

What is the THE LIST?

MWAHAHAHAHAH!

Ok, it's the list of people who are trolling for fun and to get a reaction, saying things they know are false but portraying them as true to get people angry at their perceived ignorance.

Am I on that list?

I don't know about the list, but I can safely assume you are.

Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 01:38:08 PM

Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 01:37:36 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM

I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

Evidence?

I'm also still waiting on your definition of properly established, Ben.

To be established with proper evidence.

Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 01:37:36 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 01:36:38 PM

I personally photographed that and can verify that it fits that definition.

Evidence?

Oh, you trust NASA but not a FE'er? You are clearly biased and biggoted.

1)  Everyone on this site is bigoted.  You belong with FES, therefore you are bigoted.  I believe the Earth is round, therefore I am bigoted.  The difference is whether or not we let this bigotry get in the way of science; RE'ers do not.  FE'ers, however, do: see Zeteticism.

2)  Whether a theory has been proven or not, as long as it is a common or wide-spread belief, it is established.  Therefore, RET is established.  Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.  Therefore... FET fails, as it can't even argue correctly.

Am I on that list?

Odd...
this post is now gone.

I took a picture of that myself. It fits the definition of a photograph.

But it's not a real dragon.  It's an illustration of one.  I could paint a golf ball blue and say it's the round Earth.  Doesn't mean it is.

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NASA, a rather reliable source.

NASA clearly has a RE bias.

Because they have proof the Earth is round.

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The existence of eclipses show evidence that the Earth is blocking sunlight from reaching the moon, creating a shadow.

Evidence?

Prove to me that it's not what an eclipse is.

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All matter has mass.  All objects with mass have a gravitational pull.  A particularly large object, something even the size of Pluto, cannot exist as anything other than a sphere.  So, take Earth, which is significantly larger than Pluto.

Evidence?

That's common knowledge.  You might as well ask me for proof that 1+1=2

Don't let Bullhorn see that!

Don't let Bullhorn see that!

1 + 1 = 2, and that's that; anyone who says otherwise is an absolute fool and hardly deserves to waste our air.

1)  Everyone on this site is bigoted.  You belong with FES, therefore you are bigoted.  I believe the Earth is round, therefore I am bigoted.  The difference is whether or not we let this bigotry get in the way of science; RE'ers do not.  FE'ers, however, do: see Zeteticism.

2)  Whether a theory has been proven or not, as long as it is a common or wide-spread belief, it is established.  Therefore, RET is established.  Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.  Therefore... FET fails, as it can't even argue correctly.

Still waiting for a response.

Don't let Bullhorn see that!

Good.  I HOPE he sees it.

1)  Everyone on this site is bigoted.  You belong with FES, therefore you are bigoted.  I believe the Earth is round, therefore I am bigoted.  The difference is whether or not we let this bigotry get in the way of science; RE'ers do not.  FE'ers, however, do: see Zeteticism.

2)  Whether a theory has been proven or not, as long as it is a common or wide-spread belief, it is established.  Therefore, RET is established.  Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.  Therefore... FET fails, as it can't even argue correctly.

1) RET clearly picks and chooses sources and acceptable evidence.

2) It is not established. It is simply a common misconception. Also, science does not work based on popular belief. Argumentum ad populum.

But it's not a real dragon.  It's an illustration of one.  I could paint a golf ball blue and say it's the round Earth.  Doesn't mean it is.

I have already shown that dragon to fit the definition fo a photograph and of a dragon.

Because they have proof the Earth is round.

Can I see this proof?

Prove to me that it's not what an eclipse is.

It's not my job to prove a negative. Russel's teapot, look it up.

That's common knowledge.  You might as well ask me for proof that 1+1=2

The Earth is flat. It's common knowledge, so I do not have to prove it.

1) RET clearly picks and chooses sources and acceptable evidence.

And FET clearly rejects all sources and evidence.

Quote from: jackofhearts on May 31, 2010, 01:50:47 PM

1)  Everyone on this site is bigoted.  You belong with FES, therefore you are bigoted.  I believe the Earth is round, therefore I am bigoted.  The difference is whether or not we let this bigotry get in the way of science; RE'ers do not.  FE'ers, however, do: see Zeteticism.

2)  Whether a theory has been proven or not, as long as it is a common or wide-spread belief, it is established.  Therefore, RET is established.  Therefore, the burden of proof is on you.  Therefore... FET fails, as it can't even argue correctly.

1) RET clearly picks and chooses sources and acceptable evidence.

2) It is not established. It is simply a common misconception. Also, science does not work based on popular belief. Argumentum ad populum.

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But it's not a real dragon.  It's an illustration of one.  I could paint a golf ball blue and say it's the round Earth.  Doesn't mean it is.

I have already shown that dragon to fit the definition fo a photograph and of a dragon.

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Because they have proof the Earth is round.

Can I see this proof?

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Prove to me that it's not what an eclipse is.

It's not my job to prove a negative. Russel's teapot, look it up.

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That's common knowledge.  You might as well ask me for proof that 1+1=2

The Earth is flat. It's common knowledge, so I do not have to prove it.

1)  And the FET does not?  You choose sources and acceptable evidence as well.  Honestly, RE'ers are much more willing to accept any form of evidence, including first hand account; RE'ers, however, will not accept... oh, let's see... Pictures, first hand account, un-documented experiments, info from sources like NASA, the list goes on...

2)  Common misconception?  A common misconception is that many believe Napoleon to be shorter than he actually was.  A wide-spread belief is that the Earth is round. 

And why shouldn't science work on popular belief?  There are no flaws with the RET.  However, the way the FES works is to defend the flat Earth, where the FE'ers should truly be poking holes in the RET's armor.  But that's now how you guys do it.  Your entire argument scheme is illogical.

Finally,

The Earth is flat.  It's common knowledge, so I do not have to prove it.

How f*cking stupid are you?  Common knowledge?  There's a reason the FES has only a handful of members.

You FE'ers are so stupid, you just assume the Earth is flat.  I get a bunch of crap from you guys about how RE'ers are so bigoted; you just admitted that YOU are the bigoted ones.  The FES is all about defending a flat Earth, when you can't even PROVE IT. 

You FE'ers are some of the stupid 'scientists' I have ever had the displeasure of arguing with.

1)  And the FET does not?  You choose sources and acceptable evidence as well.  Honestly, RE'ers are much more willing to accept any form of evidence,

To a fault.

2)  Common misconception?  A common misconception is that many believe Napoleon to be shorter than he actually was.  A wide-spread belief is that the Earth is round.

The belief is wrong, however.

And why shouldn't science work on popular belief?

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There are no flaws with the RET.

False and irrelevant.

However, the way the FES works is to defend the flat Earth, where the FE'ers should truly be poking holes in the RET's armor.

Why should we focus on Round Earth Theory when Banana Earth Theory, Batman Earth Theory, and Foot Earth Theory are equally credible?

How f*cking stupid are you?  Common knowledge?  There's a reason the FES has only a handful of members.

You FE'ers are so stupid, you just assume the Earth is flat.  I get a bunch of crap from you guys about how RE'ers are so bigoted; you just admitted that YOU are the bigoted ones.  The FES is all about defending a flat Earth, when you can't even PROVE IT.

You FE'ers are some of the stupid 'scientists' I have ever had the displeasure of arguing with.

Not only do you suck at detecting parody, you also resort to ad hominem. Congratulations.

Jack, don't let Ben get to you.
He's just messing with your head, making you think he believes in a Flat Earth and will not listen to reason.

He delights in your frustration, hence why he continues to evoke it.

Ahh, my favorite. When zealots are shown folly, they accuse the other side of trolling.

Ahh, my favorite. When zealots are shown folly, they accuse the other side of trolling.

Folly or no, it doesn't matter.  You will never, under any circumstances(aside from torture or while under some kind of drug influence), say the Earth is Round on this forum.  Am I right?

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 07:39:49 PM

Ahh, my favorite. When zealots are shown folly, they accuse the other side of trolling.

Folly or no, it doesn't matter.  You will never, under any circumstances(aside from torture or while under some kind of drug influence), say the Earth is Round on this forum.  Am I right?

I can hardly predict the future.

Ahh, my favorite. When zealots are shown folly, they accuse the other side of trolling.

Are you suggesting that you aren't a troll?

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 07:39:49 PM

Ahh, my favorite. When zealots are shown folly, they accuse the other side of trolling.

Are you suggesting that you aren't a troll?

Franklin is not a troll.  He is a strong advocate for the flat earth theory.

Quote from: markjo on May 31, 2010, 08:30:25 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 07:39:49 PM

Ahh, my favorite. When zealots are shown folly, they accuse the other side of trolling.

Are you suggesting that you aren't a troll?

Franklin is not a troll.  He is a strong advocate for the flat earth theory.

That is equivalent to accusing him of being mentally deranged.  Is that really better than giving him the benefit of doubt by assuming that he might be merely a troll?

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1)  And the FET does not?  You choose sources and acceptable evidence as well.  Honestly, RE'ers are much more willing to accept any form of evidence,

To a fault.

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2)  Common misconception?  A common misconception is that many believe Napoleon to be shorter than he actually was.  A wide-spread belief is that the Earth is round.

The belief is wrong, however.

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And why shouldn't science work on popular belief?

...

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There are no flaws with the RET.

False and irrelevant.

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However, the way the FES works is to defend the flat Earth, where the FE'ers should truly be poking holes in the RET's armor.

Why should we focus on Round Earth Theory when Banana Earth Theory, Batman Earth Theory, and Foot Earth Theory are equally credible?

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How f*cking stupid are you?  Common knowledge?  There's a reason the FES has only a handful of members.

You FE'ers are so stupid, you just assume the Earth is flat.  I get a bunch of crap from you guys about how RE'ers are so bigoted; you just admitted that YOU are the bigoted ones.  The FES is all about defending a flat Earth, when you can't even PROVE IT.

You FE'ers are some of the stupid 'scientists' I have ever had the displeasure of arguing with.

Not only do you suck at detecting parody, you also resort to ad hominem. Congratulations.

Whether or not the belief that the Earth is round is irrelevant; the fact is, it's a wide-spread belief, and the burden of proof should be on FE'ers to prove the Earth is flat and not round, not to defend their theory.

That's hardly ad hominem.  Though I question your claims because of your bigotry (toward RET), my main point is that you're defending a theory you can't even prove.  You have skipped the process in which you prove the Earth is flat and instead jumped to the conclusion part.  This is where you sit contentedly on this website.  You dwell on the false notion that the Earth is flat.

Quote from: Lorddave on May 31, 2010, 07:43:11 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 07:39:49 PM

Ahh, my favorite. When zealots are shown folly, they accuse the other side of trolling.

Folly or no, it doesn't matter.  You will never, under any circumstances(aside from torture or while under some kind of drug influence), say the Earth is Round on this forum.  Am I right?

I can hardly predict the future.

A true believer would have said "no".

Quote from: markjo on May 31, 2010, 08:30:25 PM

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on May 31, 2010, 07:39:49 PM

Ahh, my favorite. When zealots are shown folly, they accuse the other side of trolling.

Are you suggesting that you aren't a troll?

Franklin is not a troll.  He is a strong advocate for the flat earth theory.

Franklin's FE advocacy has nothing to do with his trolling abilities.

Also, science does not work based on popular belief. Argumentum ad populum.

Science works on good method, reproducibility and independence to name a few things.

The fact that a lot of people believe it is an acceptable consequence.

This troll paste you're spreading is weak.

Whether or not the belief that the Earth is round is irrelevant; the fact is, it's a wide-spread belief, and the burden of proof should be on FE'ers to prove the Earth is flat and not round, not to defend their theory.

That's hardly ad hominem.  Though I question your claims because of your bigotry (toward RET), my main point is that you're defending a theory you can't even prove.  You have skipped the process in which you prove the Earth is flat and instead jumped to the conclusion part.  This is where you sit contentedly on this website.  You dwell on the false notion that the Earth is flat.

False, argumentum ad populum. Science does not work based on how the majority feel, it is based on reproducible experiments, empirical, directly observable evidence, and reason.

FET is the default, RET is the claim away from direct observation. It requires the evidence.

Quote from: jackofhearts on June 01, 2010, 04:12:13 AM

Whether or not the belief that the Earth is round is irrelevant; the fact is, it's a wide-spread belief, and the burden of proof should be on FE'ers to prove the Earth is flat and not round, not to defend their theory.

That's hardly ad hominem.  Though I question your claims because of your bigotry (toward RET), my main point is that you're defending a theory you can't even prove.  You have skipped the process in which you prove the Earth is flat and instead jumped to the conclusion part.  This is where you sit contentedly on this website.  You dwell on the false notion that the Earth is flat.

False, argumentum ad populum. Science does not work based on how the majority feel, it is based on reproducible experiments, empirical, directly observable evidence, and reason.

FET is the default, RET is the claim away from direct observation. It requires the evidence.

Ad ignorantiam.

FET is the default

"Default?!"

FET is the default

Ad Populum now? Pointing out the fallacies in FET is fun.

Ad populum is probably the worst fallacy, considering about 10 people actually believe the Earth is flat.

Quote from: Benjamin Franklin on June 01, 2010, 03:41:53 PM

FET is the default

Ad Populum now? Pointing out the fallacies in FET is fun.

Ad populum is probably the worst fallacy, considering about 10 people actually believe the Earth is flat.

I never claimed it was due to the numer of supporters. Fail less, please.