Can you prove that the Earth is flat?

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Parsifal

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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2010, 10:11:43 AM »
Add to all this the fact that, as Parsifal said,

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If there are alternative explanations for his "proof", then it isn't a proof at all, just a hypothesis.

Which means not a single "proof" of FE exists. FE'ers have been asked numerous times to provide something measurable that RE can't explain and FE can, and couldn't come up with anything.

RE'ers have been asked numerous times to provide something measurable that FE can't explain and RE can, and couldn't come up with anything.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2010, 10:38:25 AM »
That's because you make up ideas on the spot. I could explain everything as well if I propose a penis shaped earth idea, but it's to no use when it's all words and no test.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2010, 11:04:47 AM »
That's because you make up ideas on the spot. I could explain everything as well if I propose a penis shaped earth idea, but it's to no use when it's all words and no test.

Irrelevant. My point was that his statement applies in both directions, so anything it might imply about FET is also applicable to RET.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2010, 11:35:50 AM »
That's because you make up ideas on the spot. I could explain everything as well if I propose a penis shaped earth idea, but it's to no use when it's all words and no test.

Irrelevant. My point was that his statement applies in both directions, so anything it might imply about FET is also applicable to RET.

Only if you accept any alternative explanation, no matter how absurd or implausible.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2010, 11:50:03 AM »
Only if you accept any alternative explanation, no matter how absurd or implausible.

Incorrect. Rejection of an explanation doesn't affect its existence.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2010, 01:11:14 PM »
That's because you make up ideas on the spot. I could explain everything as well if I propose a penis shaped earth idea, but it's to no use when it's all words and no test.

Irrelevant. My point was that his statement applies in both directions, so anything it might imply about FET is also applicable to RET.

Only if you accept any alternative explanation, no matter how absurd or implausible.
The real problem is the definition of "explanation". In vernacular language, almost any sentence, like "the UFOs from Mars did it" is an explanation.

But in the terms of the scientific method, explanation is another name for predictable results. The orbit of Jupiter is well explained because the formulas to calculate Jupiter's position with a high degree of accuracy are well known and verified thousands of times. The FE "explanation" of the planets' orbits, which is mostly a re-hash of the obsolete Ptolemaic system, just cannot tell me where to point my telescope tonight to see Jupiter.

So, in the terms of the scientific method, FE "theory" explains close to nothing. It does not even predict the position, apparent size and brightness of the Sun, today at 4pm, from my location.

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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2010, 02:56:17 PM »
Only if you accept any alternative explanation, no matter how absurd or implausible.

Incorrect. Rejection of an explanation doesn't affect its existence.

I'm not worried about the existence of an alternative explanation, only it's plausibility.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2010, 04:56:06 PM »
If you can prove that it's round, why haven't you done so?
I'm a British soldier, I have travelled around the world. From personal experience there is no wall surrounding the earth's edges no... the earth doesn't have an edge. And of course its funny that the only people who believe in flat earth theory is people on this forum.

This isn't me proving the earth is round, no because I haven't back it up with scientific fact. But I'm asking you will you provide evidence of a flat earth?

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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2010, 05:07:05 PM »
If you can prove that it's round, why haven't you done so?
I'm a British soldier, I have travelled around the world. From personal experience there is no wall surrounding the earth's edges no... the earth doesn't have an edge. And of course its funny that the only people who believe in flat earth theory is people on this forum.

Have you been stationed in Antarctica (the site of the wall)? And is it so strange that people who hold similar beliefs would exchange ideas on a common communication platform?
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2010, 05:18:35 PM »
If you can prove that it's round, why haven't you done so?

We have proved the Earth is round. Its just that your respones to that proof is to go "we dont accept that as proof".
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2010, 05:20:37 PM »
Add to all this the fact that, as Parsifal said,

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If there are alternative explanations for his "proof", then it isn't a proof at all, just a hypothesis.

Which means not a single "proof" of FE exists. FE'ers have been asked numerous times to provide something measurable that RE can't explain and FE can, and couldn't come up with anything.

RE'ers have been asked numerous times to provide something measurable that FE can't explain and RE can, and couldn't come up with anything.

Rotation of the south pole stars. Theres one for you Fartipal.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2010, 05:51:43 AM »
If you can prove that it's round, why haven't you done so?
I'm a British soldier, I have travelled around the world. From personal experience there is no wall surrounding the earth's edges no... the earth doesn't have an edge. And of course its funny that the only people who believe in flat earth theory is people on this forum.

Have you been stationed in Antarctica (the site of the wall)? And is it so strange that people who hold similar beliefs would exchange ideas on a common communication platform?
This is the only notable wall I've seen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ice_Shelf

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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2010, 06:52:07 AM »
If you can prove that it's round, why haven't you done so?
I'm a British soldier, I have travelled around the world. From personal experience there is no wall surrounding the earth's edges no... the earth doesn't have an edge. And of course its funny that the only people who believe in flat earth theory is people on this forum.

This isn't me proving the earth is round, no because I haven't back it up with scientific fact. But I'm asking you will you provide evidence of a flat earth?


First of all, I'd like to thank you for your service. However, I'd have to question how you could possibly know whether such a rim existed. Were British forces sent on some kind of expeditionary operation to investigate the rim?
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2010, 02:17:29 PM »
They went to Antarctica - so what?
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2010, 07:25:16 PM »
They went to Antarctica - so what?
I'd like to say that going to an ice continent, and upon arriving you see it's not a wall of ice, that proves some point.

Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2010, 05:20:29 AM »
They went to Antarctica - so what?
I'd like to say that going to an ice continent, and upon arriving you see it's not a wall of ice, that proves some point.
Yep, it proves a point there is no ice wall that I keep hearing about.

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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #47 on: May 25, 2010, 06:00:51 AM »
They went to Antarctica - so what?
I'd like to say that going to an ice continent, and upon arriving you see it's not a wall of ice, that proves some point.


Well, if it proves anything, it's that Antarctica is not the ice wall, which would vindicate my model. However, If I'm honest I'm not even sure it proves that.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #48 on: May 25, 2010, 06:22:01 AM »
They went to Antarctica - so what?
I'd like to say that going to an ice continent, and upon arriving you see it's not a wall of ice, that proves some point.



Well, if it proves anything, it's that Antarctica is not the ice wall, which would vindicate my model. However, If I'm honest I'm not even sure it proves that.
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2010, 06:41:40 AM »
You say 'eye witness evidence' - evidence of what? What exactly have you seen?
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2010, 06:51:19 AM »
You say 'eye witness evidence' - evidence of what? What exactly have you seen?

That there is no ice wall in the Antarctica.

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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2010, 07:00:35 AM »
You say 'eye witness evidence' - evidence of what? What exactly have you seen?

That there is no ice wall in the Antarctica.


And you've seen all of Antarctica have you? Every square inch?
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2010, 07:12:29 AM »
You say 'eye witness evidence' - evidence of what? What exactly have you seen?

That there is no ice wall in the Antarctica.


And you've seen all of Antarctica have you? Every square inch?

Have you?  I don't understand why you think arguing FOR something that nobody has ever seen/proven to exist is more logical that someone else trying to prove something that has NEVER BEEN SCENE/proven to exist DOES NOT exist... if you followed that, stop hounding people for evidence, when it's clear there is none.  Rather, focus on logic; why would an Ice Wall explain certian phonomena better than gravity would on a Round Earth?

Trolling makes me angry.

Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #53 on: May 25, 2010, 07:17:46 AM »
The problem is that if you are claiming the Earth is flat you need to be able to back up your claim with admissible evidence.

To me that means carrying out experiments, the findings of which must replicable by others following the same methods, and publishing the findings in a peer-reviewed academic journal, Science for example.

To be able to do this I would suggest training in relevant scientific fields, such as geophysics I suppose.

No amount of wiki links will provide sufficient evidence of a flat Earth.

Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2010, 07:22:02 AM »
The problem is that if you are claiming the Earth is flat you need to be able to back up your claim with admissible evidence.

To me that means carrying out experiments, the findings of which must replicable by others following the same methods, and publishing the findings in a peer-reviewed academic journal, Science for example.

To be able to do this I would suggest training in relevant scientific fields, such as geophysics I suppose.

No amount of wiki links will provide sufficient evidence of a flat Earth.

I concur.  You guys lack evidence/proof in dozens of arguemtns, namely an antimoon you can't see, UA you can't explain, maps you can't make, a Conspiracy you can't prove... to name a few.

Trolling makes me angry.

Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2010, 09:07:21 AM »
You say 'eye witness evidence' - evidence of what? What exactly have you seen?

That there is no ice wall in the Antarctica.


And you've seen all of Antarctica have you? Every square inch?

Yes. I been their a view times. I've seen every spot in the Antarctica.

And I say again...

There Is no ice wall. 

Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2010, 12:02:37 PM »
By the way, to comment on the actual original thread topic...

The burden of proof should be on Flat Earthers, not RE'ers.  Throughout history, the burden of proof has always been on the new (and generally unaccepted) theories.  The fact that you're not even willing to take on the burden of proof just hurts your case. 

This entire time you've been defending a Flat Earth, which you should really be attacking the RET.  Which to the best of my knowledge has never been done.

So, in that sense, this entire Forum is wrong.  How does that feel?

Trolling makes me angry.

Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2010, 12:07:09 PM »
By the way, to comment on the actual original thread topic...

The burden of proof should be on Flat Earthers, not RE'ers.  Throughout history, the burden of proof has always been on the new (and generally unaccepted) theories.  The fact that you're not even willing to take on the burden of proof just hurts your case. 

This entire time you've been defending a Flat Earth, which you should really be attacking the RET.  Which to the best of my knowledge has never been done.

So, in that sense, this entire Forum is wrong.  How does that feel?
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Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2010, 12:34:01 PM »
There's a 150 foot wall of ice which surrounds the majority of the Antarctic coast. They're called ice shelves.

http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

Re: Can you prove that the Earth is flat?
« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2010, 12:38:45 PM »
There's a 150 foot wall of ice which surrounds the majority of the Antarctic coast. They're called ice shelves.

http://i23.tinypic.com/nwkp5t.jpg

Well don't worry Global warming will handle them pretty soon.
   He didn't just wake up one morning and say "I wonder what shape the earth is".  Instead he woke up and said, "the earth looks flat, now how can I proved it".