A view from Everest

Your wiki says that a view from Mount Everest isn't curved, and cites a 360 degree panorama site with a view from Everest.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=A+View+From+Everest
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

It most certainly does show a curvature, as I can not draw a straight line on the horizon. What exactly am I missing here?

A typical FE response would be that the camera lens is causing a curvature.

Your wiki says that a view from Mount Everest isn't curved, and cites a 360 degree panorama site with a view from Everest.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=A+View+From+Everest
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

It most certainly does show a curvature, as I can not draw a straight line on the horizon. What exactly am I missing here?

The fact that the horizon is uneven, I suppose?

Quote from: Catchpa on May 14, 2010, 05:46:25 PM

Your wiki says that a view from Mount Everest isn't curved, and cites a 360 degree panorama site with a view from Everest.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=A+View+From+Everest
http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/full22.html

It most certainly does show a curvature, as I can not draw a straight line on the horizon. What exactly am I missing here?

The fact that the horizon is uneven, I suppose?

On a smaller scale, that might be the case.  But I'm pretty sure that sweeping panorama covers hundreds of miles of horizon, and I don't think any part of the earth is that 'uneven'.

It looks curved to me.  Not the horizon, good heavens no.  Why would that be curved?  What's curved is the landscape.  Notice how the mountains seem to go lower and lower in your field of vision?  That's the curve.

Remember, a hill doesn't look curved when you're on it.

It looks curved to me.  Not the horizon, good heavens no.  Why would that be curved?  What's curved is the landscape.  Notice how the mountains seem to go lower and lower in your field of vision?  That's the curve.

No, that's a perspective effect.

Doesn't look curved to me.

Quote from: Lorddave on May 14, 2010, 07:21:21 PM

It looks curved to me.  Not the horizon, good heavens no.  Why would that be curved?  What's curved is the landscape.  Notice how the mountains seem to go lower and lower in your field of vision?  That's the curve.

No, that's a perspective effect.

Perspective effect makes everything seem to point towards a single point.  While I do see that, I also see higher over the mountains in the distance than the ones closer.  And as I said: a hill doesn't look curved when you're on it.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on May 14, 2010, 07:24:27 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on May 14, 2010, 07:21:21 PM

It looks curved to me.  Not the horizon, good heavens no.  Why would that be curved?  What's curved is the landscape.  Notice how the mountains seem to go lower and lower in your field of vision?  That's the curve.

No, that's a perspective effect.

Perspective effect makes everything seem to point towards a single point.  While I do see that, I also see higher over the mountains in the distance than the ones closer.  And as I said: a hill doesn't look curved when you're on it.

I don't get it.  What do you mean you see higher over the mountains in the distance than the ones closer?  Or that a hill doesn't look curved when you're on it?  It all sounds like gibberish to me. 

What curve?  From what I can tell, the horizon in that picture looks to be at eye level the entire way around.

There's considerable anamorphic distortion in that panorama - notice how the edges stretch more than the centre as it passes round. I don't think you can make any conclusions one way or another from that example as it's impossible to separate camera distortions from real shape with it.

I propose that the entry gets removed or changed from the wiki then.

Have you personally climbed to the summit of Mount Everest and verified that this view is accurate, and that the photograph has not been tampered with?

No, but the wiki claims the picture shows no curvature.

The wiki may be mistaken about the origin of the picture. Until someone confirms that this is indeed the view from the summit of Mount Everest, everything else is pure speculation.

I can confirm it has been taken from Mt. Everest.

I can confirm it has been taken from Mt. Everest.

What evidence do you have to support this confirmation?

The wiki may be mistaken about the origin of the picture. Until someone confirms that this is indeed the view from the summit of Mount Everest, everything else is pure speculation.

This was a sensible discussion until you came along and ruined it.

All you see is a false horizon.  If the earth was curved, one could not put those photos together in a straight line.  The fact that even from Everest, one can clearly see in 360 degrees that the horizon forms a straight line should be the first clue to sensible people that the Earth is flat.

Simply put your finger on the horizon on your monitor and rotate the image left or right.  Your finger will still be touching the horizon.

It is NOT straight. I CAN'T draw a straight line.

Have you personally climbed to the summit of Mount Everest and verified that this view is accurate, and that the photograph has not been tampered with?

Yup,i have climbed the mountain and that is what i saw.
Good enough?

Yup,i have climbed the mountain and that is what i saw.
Good enough?

And I've been to the moon and it's made of cheese.

If that wasn't clear enough, you need some evidence to validate your claim, otherwise we have no reason to believe you.

Roderick Mackenzie has been there personally, and claim the photo is real.

http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/flash/full22F.html

His evidence being the actual photo.

In addition, the interview was published in the book Everest Reflections From The Top.

 http://www.buy.com/prod/everest-reflections-from-the-top/q/loc/106/35219669.html

Roderick Mackenzie has been there personally, and claim the photo is real.

http://www.panoramas.dk/fullscreen2/flash/full22F.html

His evidence being the actual photo.

He also says about the view from Everest that:

It seemed to me that the curvature of the earth was apparent, and I spent some time trying to think of a means to test if this was a real observation or an illusion. In the end I decided it was an illusion, but it was a strong illusion.

(Source: Your own link.)

All you see is a false horizon.  If the earth was curved, one could not put those photos together in a straight line.  The fact that even from Everest, one can clearly see in 360 degrees that the horizon forms a straight line should be the first clue to sensible people that the Earth is flat.

Simply put your finger on the horizon on your monitor and rotate the image left or right.  Your finger will still be touching the horizon.

I did and it doesn't.  But I think that's mostly because of the mountains and clouds making the horizon difficult to actually see.

Let me ask you this:

Why would the horizon not be curved?  I mean, we're looking at it via the same height on a sphere.  The point that it curves should be the same all the way around should it not?  And I don't know how they made that image, but apparently there are camera lenses that can take 360 degree images at once.  Why wouldn't it look like one solid, non curved image?  When you look at a ball then rotate, does it suddenly appear different as you rotate it?  Or can you always see the same amount?

Quote from: John Davis on May 15, 2010, 04:00:41 AM

All you see is a false horizon.  If the earth was curved, one could not put those photos together in a straight line.  The fact that even from Everest, one can clearly see in 360 degrees that the horizon forms a straight line should be the first clue to sensible people that the Earth is flat.

Simply put your finger on the horizon on your monitor and rotate the image left or right.  Your finger will still be touching the horizon.

I did and it doesn't.  But I think that's mostly because of the mountains and clouds making the horizon difficult to actually see.

Let me ask you this:

Why would the horizon not be curved?  I mean, we're looking at it via the same height on a sphere.  The point that it curves should be the same all the way around should it not?  And I don't know how they made that image, but apparently there are camera lenses that can take 360 degree images at once.  Why wouldn't it look like one solid, non curved image?  When you look at a ball then rotate, does it suddenly appear different as you rotate it?  Or can you always see the same amount?

this is a case were photo shoping works for them the way that image was made with this multiple images stitched together
the issue with this is the the software corrects for the curve making it flat...  or very near as to make seamless panorama
hey if they can use it was the lens or it was edited so can i

here is an undoctored photo wide lens makes it more curved then it should be but... you get the idea


ill try to find one with out such a lens idealy one with a long focal length

edit: found on top right



and one from on the Concorde

It is NOT straight. I CAN'T draw a straight line.

I don't see what your inability to draw a straight line has to do with the shape of the Earth.

Could your issues stem from attempting to draw the line over the natural horizon but not the true horizon?

All you see is a false horizon.  If the earth was curved, one could not put those photos together in a straight line.  The fact that even from Everest, one can clearly see in 360 degrees that the horizon forms a straight line should be the first clue to sensible people that the Earth is flat.

Simply put your finger on the horizon on your monitor and rotate the image left or right.  Your finger will still be touching the horizon.

The fact that nobody in this thread, except Space Tourist, knows that to form a complete 360 degree panorama, the horizon will be made flat so that images actually link together properly astounds me.

Especially when you are using that reasoning as evidence of a flat Earth.


Basically, this happens:

Take 360 panorama > curvature causes images to line up in an arc > use software to form images into 360 degree panorama > flat horizon 360 degree shot.

Take this example:
http://pic.phyrefile.com/j/jo/jonneh/2009/09/26/epic_000.png

Exact same process, but reversed.

Image stitching software makes the horizon change depending on what product you are wanting from the software.


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