Undoing the Spotlight theory.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2010, 08:10:50 AM »
So RE maps are distorted and inaccurate?

they are INORITE OMG
yea other then a globe im sure you have used one at one time you remember what they are right?
all maps of a 3D object projected on a 2D plane will be distorted
you cant even come up with the analog to a globe
« Last Edit: May 14, 2010, 08:12:50 AM by Space Tourist »
Then you have provided evidence for the Earth being a sphere

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2010, 08:13:54 AM »
So RE maps are distorted and inaccurate?

they are INORITE OMG
yea other then a globe im sure you have used one at one time you remember what they are right?
all maps of a 3D object projected on a 2D plane will be distorted
you cant even come up with the analog to a globe

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2010, 08:18:51 AM »
see the thing is even with our distorted maps we can still show proper day/night terminator
http://www.daylightmap.com/?lat=17.978733&lng=-31.992188&z=2&t=s&c=1&m=a&hl=en

some thing you cant do with any map and again no gimmicks just pure simple perfection
look how elegant it is a Beautiful sign wave :D 

 
Then you have provided evidence for the Earth being a sphere

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2010, 08:47:51 AM »
Again, I am not asking for a perfect map, I am asking for a reasonably accurate (say within 15%) theoretical map of what your version of earth looks like.

And if you chose to make your map based on flight times between major cities, and I would test it based on those same flight times, I don't see what the problem is.

The best FE maps I have been provided with have errors of 300-400% or more between certain airports, far beyond anything that could be explained by slight differences in flight paths.
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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2010, 10:27:39 AM »
you are correct,
the sun is not a spotlight
 

most people beilieve the sun is a floodlight,
that way it can shine on half the earth at one time.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2010, 12:21:18 PM »
Once you guys donate money to Daniel we can work on exploring every square mile of the earth.

Put up or shut up.

How much does he need?

Also, where is his research proposal?
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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2010, 06:57:54 AM »
Here is another free method for making a map, the data needed is readily available and has no reason to be tampered with:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38925.0
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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2010, 11:56:59 PM »
Once you guys donate money to Daniel we can work on exploring every square mile of the earth.

Put up or shut up.
Why would we donate money to him? We know what the Earth looks like, you guys need to prove it. Anyways, why give money to a guy who cant even mail a shirt or hoodie? If he cant manage to send FE merch then he cant map out the planet.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2010, 09:43:29 AM »
Once you guys donate money to Daniel we can work on exploring every square mile of the earth.

Put up or shut up.
Daniel can't even get people thier hoodies.
No way i am donating to him.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2010, 03:44:40 PM »
you are correct,
the sun is not a spotlight
 

most people beilieve the sun is a floodlight,
that way it can shine on half the earth at one time.


As I have shown on another thread, the difference between a spotlight and a floodlight is arbitrary. the floodlight just has a wider angle. "most people" believe the sun to be a sphere. In anycase, the shape of a circular floodlight is distorted to look like an ellipse when you aren't directly under it. furthermore, draw a circle, tell me how half of that circle on one side can be illuminated at once.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2010, 08:42:17 AM »
If you become a friend of the flat earth society, Daniel gladly includes a 3D model of the earth. It even comes with a stand!


How can you have a 3D model of the flat earth, if you cannot even map it?

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2010, 01:28:45 PM »
you are correct,
the sun is not a spotlight
 

most people beilieve the sun is a floodlight,
that way it can shine on half the earth at one time.

Try it.  Take a floodlight the size of a quarter, hold it 7.25ft above the ground and try to illuminate a 62ft wide circle the way it was shown in Space Tourist's link.  If you can do it, please, post the results.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2010, 03:24:58 AM »
Try it.  Take a floodlight the size of a quarter, hold it 7.25ft above the ground and try to illuminate a 62ft wide circle the way it was shown in Space Tourist's link.  If you can do it, please, post the results.


Remember, it also has to make both shapes as supplied in my diagram in the OP.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #43 on: May 26, 2010, 05:44:45 PM »
Once you guys donate money to Daniel we can work on exploring every square mile of the earth.

Put up or shut up.

It is the responsibility of the people trying to prove/research something to fund their own research, like applying for a grant, etc. There is no reason for we, the people who disagree with you, to fund your work, we don't think its possible for you to create an actual map of the flat earth.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2010, 01:29:46 PM »
So with no rebutal of my last statement, can we consider floodlight/spotlight hypothesis debunked?
w/o bendy light it is a fail theory

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #45 on: June 09, 2010, 12:48:29 PM »
Looks like hit has to be, because I found this:

I found this in the FAQ

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Q: "Please explain sunrises and sunsets."

A: It is a perspective effect. The sun is just getting farther away: it looks like it is disappearing because everything gets smaller, and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

which would also require bendy light to explain.

Firstly, I have observed the sun to not appear to get smaller before sunset.

Secondly, lets look at the geometry of the situation:  Lets determine where I should observe the sun to be at midnight. I live in Ottawa, Canada, which lies roughly halfway between the north pole and the equator, a distance equalling an eighth of the diameter of Flat Earth.  In the same FAQ post, the diameter of flat earth is defined as being 24900 miles, this means I live 3112.5 miles from the north pole (assuming I'm precisely at the halfway point).  To get the total horizontal distance between me and the sun at midnight, we add half the earth's radius (because the sun revolves along the equator, halfway along the radius), to the distance between me and the north pole:  

12450 miles + 3112.5 miles = 15562.5 miles horizontal distance between me and the sun at midnight.

Now let's consider the vertical distance between the ground and the sun.  The FAQ states this as being 3000 miles.  Now we can construct a virtual right triangle, with a base of 15562.5 miles, and the height 3000 miles.  We can now use trigonometry to determine the angle of incidence for the sun.  this can be used using the formula tan(angle) = opposite side / adjacent side

tan(angle) = 3000 miles / 15562.5 miles
angle = tan-1(3000/15562.5)
angle = 10 (Edit: 10.91 which rounds to 11.  My mistake)
« Last Edit: June 09, 2010, 12:54:43 PM by Nolhekh »

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #46 on: June 09, 2010, 12:51:23 PM »
This calculation shows that the sun should never dip much below 10 degrees in my sky, which is nowhere close to the horizon.  You can adjust these figures any way you want, but you will never find the sun to move below the horizon.  Only bendy light has a hope of explaining this away.

Also, Anyone south of the equator in Found Earth should see the sun circling towards the South, while Flat Earthers in the same locations should see it circling towards the north.  If any sub-equatorial citizens are reading this, which do you observe?

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2010, 04:45:44 PM »
This calculation shows that the sun should never dip much below 10 degrees in my sky, which is nowhere close to the horizon.  You can adjust these figures any way you want, but you will never find the sun to move below the horizon.  Only bendy light has a hope of explaining this away.

Also, Anyone south of the equator in Found Earth should see the sun circling towards the South, while Flat Earthers in the same locations should see it circling towards the north.  If any sub-equatorial citizens are reading this, which do you observe?
:sniff-sniff:  Smells like....




RE WIN!!!!!

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2010, 05:04:01 PM »
This calculation shows that the sun should never dip much below 10 degrees in my sky, which is nowhere close to the horizon.  You can adjust these figures any way you want, but you will never find the sun to move below the horizon.  Only bendy light has a hope of explaining this away.

Also, Anyone south of the equator in Found Earth should see the sun circling towards the South, while Flat Earthers in the same locations should see it circling towards the north.  If any sub-equatorial citizens are reading this, which do you observe?

This thread is full of win.
never even thought of that bro.
by circling south you mean the trajectory of the suns path near the horizon right?

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2010, 07:22:46 PM »

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12450 miles - 3112.5 miles = 9337.5 miles horizontal distance between me and the sun at midnight.

Now let's consider the vertical distance between the ground and the sun.  The FAQ states this as being 3000 miles.  Now we can construct a virtual right triangle, with a base of 15562.5 miles, and the height 3000 miles.  We can now use trigonometry to determine the angle of incidence for the sun.  this can be used using the formula tan(angle) = opposite side / adjacent side

tan(angle) = 3000 miles / 9337.5 miles
angle = tan-1(3000/9337.5)
angle = 17.81

I have made a correction to my calculation.  I had added my distance from the equator to the diameter of the equator, when I should have subtracted.  This brings my result up to 17.81 degrees rather than 11

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2010, 08:43:39 PM »
I have just completed a diagram of the position of the Sun in the sky as viewed from Ottawa, Canada (45 degrees north), and Cromwell, New Zealand (45 degrees south) as generated by my trigonometric calculations on the Flat Earth dimensions given in FAQ.


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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2010, 08:45:42 PM »
What was the distance bewtween the two locations that you used?
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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #52 on: June 09, 2010, 08:52:01 PM »
What was the distance bewtween the two locations that you used?

Depends on which model we use. Since no FE maps have a scale attached to them, we can only go off the RE distance, so you may not like the answer.
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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #53 on: June 09, 2010, 08:56:37 PM »
What was the distance bewtween the two locations that you used?

3112.5 miles north and south of the equator.  Longitude is not accounted for in my diagram, as the shape of the sun's path would only vary with latitude.

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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #54 on: June 09, 2010, 08:58:47 PM »
What was the distance bewtween the two locations that you used?

3112.5 miles north and south of the equator.  Longitude is not accounted for in my diagram, as the shape of the sun's path would only vary with latitude.
Please use accurate distances and redo your diagram. Please at least acknowledge latitude in the new diagram as well.
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Re: Undoing the Spotlight theory.
« Reply #55 on: June 09, 2010, 09:05:38 PM »
What was the distance bewtween the two locations that you used?

3112.5 miles north and south of the equator.  Longitude is not accounted for in my diagram, as the shape of the sun's path would only vary with latitude.
Please use accurate distances and redo your diagram. Please at least acknowledge latitude in the new diagram as well.

It is latitude that is acknowledged. Longitude is not.  Longitudinal lines run perpendicular to the circular path of the sun, therefore the path of the sun will appear the same regardless of longitude.  Red dots represent position of the sun as viewed from 3112.5 miles north of the equator, and blue dots represent the position of the sun as viewed from 3112.5 miles south of the equator.