What will you Flat guys do if you are proven wrong by commercial space flights?

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markjo

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Can I point out that even if they weren't "lit" we should still be able to see the light from the cities?

Of course, which is one of many reasons I favour the bendy light model. However, some others disagree with me on this issue.

That's because you have failed to produce sufficient evidence for bendy light to convince even the FE'ers.
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It is remarkably easy to convince members of the public that they are in Space, as the Channel 4 documentary Space Cadets showed. I don't see why that kind of tomfoolery should convince me that the Earth is a giant ball.

Oh there's an easy way to show that what you experience isn't fake:  Take a walk outside.  Preferably without the suit.  If you're right, there will be air to breath.  If you're not... Well... let's just say it'll be a very bad day for you.

Or, they could just look out the window.

...Are you advocating looking out a window to prove the shape of the earth?  What a novel idea, I suggest you apply this tactic in your every-day life.


Also, for those having issues with grammar, ponder these two classic examples.

a woman without her man is nothing

A woman; without her, man is nothing.

Do you see how grammar can completely change the meaning of your words?  So if you want to be understood correctly, I recommend that you either use correct grammar, or find Japanese websites to start posting in.

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markjo

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It is remarkably easy to convince members of the public that they are in Space, as the Channel 4 documentary Space Cadets showed. I don't see why that kind of tomfoolery should convince me that the Earth is a giant ball.

Oh there's an easy way to show that what you experience isn't fake:  Take a walk outside.  Preferably without the suit.  If you're right, there will be air to breath.  If you're not... Well... let's just say it'll be a very bad day for you.

Or, they could just look out the window.

...Are you advocating looking out a window to prove the shape of the earth?  What a novel idea, I suggest you apply this tactic in your every-day life.

Sadly, the view from 100km altitude is not a part of my everyday life.
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Thevoiceofreason

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Parsifal,
you may have noticed that we are on the internets. punctuation and grammar goes to die here, and you know this, so stop being a grammar nazi.

BL ignores the laws of physics, which says light travels through space in a straight path.
If BL was to occur, you need data and maths to prove it. Also, BL doesn't account for why we can send something at escape velocity, to exit earth

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Parsifal

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BL ignores the laws of physics, which says light travels through space in a straight path.

It doesn't ignore them, it adds to them, in exactly the same way that relativity is technically incompatible with Newtonian mechanics, but the two are almost indistinguishable in most cases.

If BL was to occur, you need data and maths to prove it. Also, BL doesn't account for why we can send something at escape velocity, to exit earth

The data and maths will come when the theory is complete. The reason it doesn't account for that (or, indeed, say anything about it at all) is because it has absolutely nothing to do with it; that's a lot like saying "Newton's third law of motion doesn't account for the electron configuration of potassium".
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BL ignores the laws of physics, which says light travels through space in a straight path.

Does it travel in a straight line through a gradient atmoplane/atmosphere?

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Thevoiceofreason

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BL ignores the laws of physics, which says light travels through space in a straight path.

It doesn't ignore them, it adds to them, in exactly the same way that relativity is technically incompatible with Newtonian mechanics, but the two are almost indistinguishable in most cases.

If BL was to occur, you need data and maths to prove it. Also, BL doesn't account for why we can send something at escape velocity, to exit earth

The data and maths will come when the theory is complete. The reason it doesn't account for that (or, indeed, say anything about it at all) is because it has absolutely nothing to do with it; that's a lot like saying "Newton's third law of motion doesn't account for the electron configuration of potassium".

Lolno, GR was mathematically, expierementally, and theoritically sound. your theory not only defies current human observation, but involves the belief that most of the scientific community is a grand conspiracy. Also, you aren't adding to it. physics says light on earth travels through space straight, you're saying it doesn't. end of conversation.

why yes it is completely related, and you knew that already, only god knows why you decided to post that...oh wait I know why you did it. But I'll tell you anyway. you made bendy light as a response to why
the horizon effect takes place. but what you didn't account for, is why something other than light can gain altitude with high enough velocity, without changing its angle of projection

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Parsifal

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Lolno, GR was mathematically, expierementally, and theoritically sound. your theory not only defies current human observation, but involves the belief that most of the scientific community is a grand conspiracy. Also, you aren't adding to it. physics says light on earth travels through space straight, you're saying it doesn't. end of conversation.

If general relativity is such a sound theory, then why does it contradict quantum mechanics? Please identify just one observation that bendy light defies. I have never claimed the scientific community to be a conspiracy; indeed, as a student of physics myself, this would be an exceptionally hypocritical statement for me to make.

Also, you aren't adding to it. physics says light on earth travels through space straight, you're saying it doesn't. end of conversation.

So every time a new theory comes along that disagrees with an old one, it contradicts all of physics? Since you defended general relativity in this same post, I take it you reject both Newtonian physics and quantum mechanics, since they are incompatible with relativity?

why yes it is completely related, and you knew that already, only god knows why you decided to post that...oh wait I know why you did it. But I'll tell you anyway. you made bendy light as a response to why
the horizon effect takes place. but what you didn't account for, is why something other than light can gain altitude with high enough velocity, without changing its angle of projection

Bendy light doesn't say anything at all about things other than light. Typing out words produces unnecessary wear on your keyboard if you aren't going to make any sense out of them.
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Thevoiceofreason

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Lolno, GR was mathematically, expierementally, and theoritically sound. your theory not only defies current human observation, but involves the belief that most of the scientific community is a grand conspiracy. Also, you aren't adding to it. physics says light on earth travels through space straight, you're saying it doesn't. end of conversation.

If general relativity is such a sound theory, then why does it contradict quantum mechanics? Please identify just one observation that bendy light defies. I have never claimed the scientific community to be a conspiracy; indeed, as a student of physics myself, this would be an exceptionally hypocritical statement for me to make.


why? because its a matter of size. we don't have a theory yet with equations to grapple all phenomena.
one observation??? how about that light doesn't bend. add in some Maxwell and you get that your theory is a failure. And NASA is a part of the conspiracy, so would any other astrophysics, high tech physics according to you. heck, even the water bottling companies are in on it. You are not a student of physics, because you don't follow modern physics. you are a pseudoscienctist. /topic

Also, you aren't adding to it. physics says light on earth travels through space straight, you're saying it doesn't. end of conversation.

So every time a new theory comes along that disagrees with an old one, it contradicts all of physics? Since you defended general relativity in this same post, I take it you reject both Newtonian physics and quantum mechanics, since they are incompatible with relativity?

They don't add, they multiply them. you however are adding a crap load of new phenomena which have never been tested in the lab, like EA and UA. When people like you say those three theories are incompatible, they are sicing it, and you know it. for example, Newton: P=mv Einstein: P=ymv

why yes it is completely related, and you knew that already, only god knows why you decided to post that...oh wait I know why you did it. But I'll tell you anyway. you made bendy light as a response to why
the horizon effect takes place. but what you didn't account for, is why something other than light can gain altitude with high enough velocity, without changing its angle of projection

Bendy light doesn't say anything at all about things other than light. Typing out words produces unnecessary wear on your keyboard if you aren't going to make any sense out of them.


Which is its biggest flaw, because light isn't the only thing that should be bending upwards. And you know exactly why this is. Typing out words produces unnecessary wear on your keyboard if you aren't going to make any sense out of them.

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Please identify just one observation that bendy light defies.

Lasers work.
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markjo

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Lolno, GR was mathematically, expierementally, and theoritically sound. your theory not only defies current human observation, but involves the belief that most of the scientific community is a grand conspiracy. Also, you aren't adding to it. physics says light on earth travels through space straight, you're saying it doesn't. end of conversation.

If general relativity is such a sound theory, then why does it contradict quantum mechanics? Please identify just one observation that bendy light defies. I have never claimed the scientific community to be a conspiracy; indeed, as a student of physics myself, this would be an exceptionally hypocritical statement for me to make.

Thanks for admitting that you're a hypocrite, Steve. ;)

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