How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #330 on: June 24, 2010, 02:03:32 AM »
I see nothing backing your theory, so why should we waste time proving it wrong?

I'm going to request that you stop derailing this thread. If you want to discuss burden of proof and whether I inspire you to post you can make a thread and do it elsewhere.

Please live by your own rules, your whole fish+boat argument is not relevant to the question at hand.
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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #331 on: June 24, 2010, 03:58:38 AM »
I see nothing backing your theory, so why should we waste time proving it wrong?

I'm going to request that you stop derailing this thread. If you want to discuss burden of proof and whether I inspire you to post you can make a thread and do it elsewhere.

we're not derailing it. just asking you for evidence. we don't need to discuss burden of proof, because its always on the person making the theory. now we don't want you to bend over backwards at this time to prove it necessarily, but coming up with a plausible model would be good. you can start with answering how the fish would be able to summon the necessary force. speed=/=force

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #332 on: June 24, 2010, 07:16:12 AM »
EVIDENCE OR GET OUT
« Last Edit: June 24, 2010, 04:37:59 PM by Jack »
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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #333 on: June 24, 2010, 09:47:02 AM »
Oh good, another argument.

Yes, it is.

Unless somebody has objections to roided out sailfish on coke pulling cruisers, these may yet be an early victory for Flat Earth.
How about you prove it?
Also how big do you think this conspiracy is?

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #334 on: June 24, 2010, 01:31:35 PM »
Oh good, another argument.

Yes, it is.

Unless somebody has objections to roided out sailfish on coke pulling cruisers, these may yet be an early victory for Flat Earth.
Also how big do you think this conspiracy is?

This is a completely different conspiracy than the one wanting to coverup the shape of the Earth.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #335 on: June 24, 2010, 02:15:24 PM »
Oh good, another argument.

Yes, it is.

Unless somebody has objections to roided out sailfish on coke pulling cruisers, these may yet be an early victory for Flat Earth.
Also how big do you think this conspiracy is?

This is a completely different conspiracy than the one wanting to coverup the shape of the Earth.

I thought Zetetics weren't allowed hypothesis, only proven theory. ur the worst DA ever

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #336 on: June 24, 2010, 02:49:38 PM »
Unless somebody has objections to roided out sailfish on coke pulling cruisers, these may yet be an early victory for Flat Earth.

I object... the sailfish would just get in the way of the genetically engineered horses that pull the cruisers.  Plus, they would be useless since my made up horses are stronger and faster underwater than your coked up sailfish.
By eliminating all present contradicting possibilities you would arrive at the present truth. It's impossible to arrive at a future truth.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #337 on: June 24, 2010, 02:53:39 PM »
EVIDENCE OR GET OUT
See what happens when you try to discuss serious science with a troll? It is best that you let the troll's arguments shine by their stupidity. Even non-scientists understand that the tens of thousands of horsepower needed to push or pull a plane or a boat are totally out of reach from animals, even on coke.

But the discussion goes on and on, and it will never lead to the admission of trolling.

Remember the thread about Australia not existing? If not, you can look for it when Monty Python is unavailable.

Please stop feeding the trolls.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #338 on: June 25, 2010, 05:52:28 AM »
EVIDENCE OR GET OUT
See what happens when you try to discuss serious science with a troll? It is best that you let the troll's arguments shine by their stupidity. Even non-scientists understand that the tens of thousands of horsepower needed to push or pull a plane or a boat are totally out of reach from animals, even on coke.

But the discussion goes on and on, and it will never lead to the admission of trolling.

Remember the thread about Australia not existing? If not, you can look for it when Monty Python is unavailable.

Please stop feeding the trolls.

Nobody ever seems to listen to you. However, I do, and I agree. I should stop feeding those who continue to close their eyes to the fact that sailfish pull boats.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #339 on: June 25, 2010, 06:16:09 AM »
EVIDENCE OR GET OUT
See what happens when you try to discuss serious science with a troll? It is best that you let the troll's arguments shine by their stupidity. Even non-scientists understand that the tens of thousands of horsepower needed to push or pull a plane or a boat are totally out of reach from animals, even on coke.

But the discussion goes on and on, and it will never lead to the admission of trolling.

Remember the thread about Australia not existing? If not, you can look for it when Monty Python is unavailable.

Please stop feeding the trolls.

Nobody ever seems to listen to you. However, I do, and I agree. I should stop feeding those who continue to close their eyes to the fact that sailfish pull boats.

EVIDENCE?
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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #340 on: June 25, 2010, 08:17:45 AM »


Nobody ever seems to listen to you. However, I do, and I agree. I should stop feeding those who continue to close their eyes to the fact that sailfish pull boats.
lrn2Russelsteapot.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #341 on: June 25, 2010, 11:35:48 AM »


Nobody ever seems to listen to you. However, I do, and I agree. I should stop feeding those who continue to close their eyes to the fact that sailfish pull boats.
lrn2Russelsteapot.

I've personally taken Russelsteapotting 101 at my local community college, and I would recommend anyone who wants to lrn2Russelsteapot do the same.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #342 on: June 29, 2010, 10:09:25 AM »
...And the thread is back.

We are all desperately trying to make sense of birds pulling planes, fish pulling boats, and we do not simply let the thread shine by its own stupidity and die.

Please do not feed the trolls.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #343 on: June 29, 2010, 11:48:33 AM »
...And the thread is back.

We are all desperately trying to make sense of birds pulling planes, fish pulling boats, and we do not simply let the thread shine by its own stupidity and die.

Please do not feed the trolls.

I find it ironic that it is the people that are opposed to this thread that keep bumping it.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #344 on: June 29, 2010, 02:48:08 PM »
I find it ironic that it is the people that are opposed to this thread that keep bumping it.

Welcome to FES.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #345 on: June 29, 2010, 02:50:36 PM »
I find it ironic that it is the people that are opposed to this thread that keep bumping it.

Welcome to FES.

 :-[ I died a little inside.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #346 on: June 29, 2010, 04:13:44 PM »
...And the thread is back.

We are all desperately trying to make sense of birds pulling planes, fish pulling boats, and we do not simply let the thread shine by its own stupidity and die.

Please do not feed the trolls.

I find it ironic that it is the people that are opposed to this thread that keep bumping it.
I find it sad that the very few posts that even mention evolution in a thread about evolution is minimal. Not even 30 out of some 360. And of those, the key elements of evolution, like mutations and natural selection, are rarer still.

So it is important that people see how the trolls overtake discussions, so other, less contaminated threads may be saved.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #347 on: June 29, 2010, 06:20:11 PM »
...And the thread is back.

We are all desperately trying to make sense of birds pulling planes, fish pulling boats, and we do not simply let the thread shine by its own stupidity and die.

Please do not feed the trolls.

I find it ironic that it is the people that are opposed to this thread that keep bumping it.
I find it sad that the very few posts that even mention evolution in a thread about evolution is minimal. Not even 30 out of some 360. And of those, the key elements of evolution, like mutations and natural selection, are rarer still.

So it is important that people see how the trolls overtake discussions, so other, less contaminated threads may be saved.

These threads make Obvious trolls obvious

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #348 on: June 29, 2010, 06:26:26 PM »
...And the thread is back.

We are all desperately trying to make sense of birds pulling planes, fish pulling boats, and we do not simply let the thread shine by its own stupidity and die.

Please do not feed the trolls.

I find it ironic that it is the people that are opposed to this thread that keep bumping it.
I find it sad that the very few posts that even mention evolution in a thread about evolution is minimal. Not even 30 out of some 360. And of those, the key elements of evolution, like mutations and natural selection, are rarer still.


While the birds and sailfish are clearly not created through natural selection, it should be noted that they ARE created through artificial selection which is just as relevant today considering almost all foods we eat today are products of artificial slelection. Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #349 on: June 29, 2010, 11:26:47 PM »
...And the thread is back.

We are all desperately trying to make sense of birds pulling planes, fish pulling boats, and we do not simply let the thread shine by its own stupidity and die.

Please do not feed the trolls.

I find it ironic that it is the people that are opposed to this thread that keep bumping it.
I find it sad that the very few posts that even mention evolution in a thread about evolution is minimal. Not even 30 out of some 360. And of those, the key elements of evolution, like mutations and natural selection, are rarer still.

So it is important that people see how the trolls overtake discussions, so other, less contaminated threads may be saved.

It's not my fault, nor an indicator of the integrity of the idea, that my opposition cannot coherently formulate a reply within the context of evolutionary terms.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #350 on: June 30, 2010, 12:20:14 AM »
...And the thread is back.

We are all desperately trying to make sense of birds pulling planes, fish pulling boats, and we do not simply let the thread shine by its own stupidity and die.

Please do not feed the trolls.

I find it ironic that it is the people that are opposed to this thread that keep bumping it.
I find it sad that the very few posts that even mention evolution in a thread about evolution is minimal. Not even 30 out of some 360. And of those, the key elements of evolution, like mutations and natural selection, are rarer still.

So it is important that people see how the trolls overtake discussions, so other, less contaminated threads may be saved.

It's not my fault, nor an indicator of the integrity of the idea, that my opposition cannot coherently formulate a reply within the context of evolutionary terms.

Why do your birds fly so high? Even on a FE the shortest route would be low to the ground. Your arguing with flase premises which is a fallacy.

You claim that birds fly high - True
You claim that shortest point from A to B is achieved by flying low rather than high (on a RE) - True
You claim that on a flat earth altitude doesn't make a difference to the distance- False

With your arguments and premises the world ought to be concave, let me demonstrate:





As you can see the high altitude route is only the shortest route on the concave earth, therefor with your arguments, your conclusion should be that the earth is not round, nor flat but instead concave.
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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #351 on: June 30, 2010, 08:07:16 AM »
Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.
Yes it does.
That is more like mutating the genes,whilst evolution is change in a species inherited traits via succesion.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #352 on: June 30, 2010, 08:29:54 AM »
Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.
Yes it does.
That is more like mutating the genes,whilst evolution is change in a species inherited traits via succesion.
No. Indeed, very no. Unnatural selection is still selection.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #353 on: June 30, 2010, 10:49:27 AM »
Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.
Yes it does.
That is more like mutating the genes,whilst evolution is change in a species inherited traits via succesion.
No. Indeed, very no. Unnatural selection is still selection.
But be careful, a 30% stronger animal is well within the realms of artificial selection, while a bird strong enough to pull an airplane is a bad sci-fi movie, or a Fred Flintstone cartoon.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #354 on: June 30, 2010, 09:43:23 PM »
Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.
Yes it does.
That is more like mutating the genes,whilst evolution is change in a species inherited traits via succesion.
No. Indeed, very no. Unnatural selection is still selection.
Well its not just selecting what the animal breeds with,its using some kind of never before seen drug to alter an animal completely.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #355 on: July 01, 2010, 07:50:39 PM »
Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.
Yes it does.
That is more like mutating the genes,whilst evolution is change in a species inherited traits via succesion.

No. Artificial selection is simply changing what characteristics will raise the fitness of an animal. Evolution is the change in frequency of alleles at a specific loci.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #356 on: July 02, 2010, 08:05:14 AM »
Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.
Yes it does.
That is more like mutating the genes,whilst evolution is change in a species inherited traits via succesion.

No. Artificial selection is simply changing what characteristics will raise the fitness of an animal. Evolution is the change in frequency of alleles at a specific loci.
I hate to be a stickler with details, but Evolution is a whole framework of processes and mechanisms, which encompasses allele change, natural selection and artificial selection.

Both the creation of diversity through allele change and the progressive adaptation of a species to its surroundings through natural selection are mechanisms of Evolution.  And yes, the modification of the rules above by human hands are also a mechanism of Evolution, even though the adaptation is not necessarily what natural selection would produce.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #357 on: July 02, 2010, 08:36:23 AM »
Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.
Yes it does.
That is more like mutating the genes,whilst evolution is change in a species inherited traits via succesion.

No. Artificial selection is simply changing what characteristics will raise the fitness of an animal. Evolution is the change in frequency of alleles at a specific loci.
Yeah, what he said.
I hate to be a stickler with details, but Evolution is a whole framework of processes and mechanisms, which encompasses allele change, natural selection and artificial selection.

Both the creation of diversity through allele change and the progressive adaptation of a species to its surroundings through natural selection are mechanisms of Evolution.  And yes, the modification of the rules above by human hands are also a mechanism of Evolution, even though the adaptation is not necessarily what natural selection would produce.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #358 on: July 04, 2010, 08:46:00 AM »
Just because it is artificial selection, it doesn't mean it still is not evolution.
Yes it does.
That is more like mutating the genes,whilst evolution is change in a species inherited traits via succesion.

No. Artificial selection is simply changing what characteristics will raise the fitness of an animal. Evolution is the change in frequency of alleles at a specific loci.
I hate to be a stickler with details, but Evolution is a whole framework of processes and mechanisms, which encompasses allele change, natural selection and artificial selection.

Both the creation of diversity through allele change and the progressive adaptation of a species to its surroundings through natural selection are mechanisms of Evolution.  And yes, the modification of the rules above by human hands are also a mechanism of Evolution, even though the adaptation is not necessarily what natural selection would produce.

I gave you the actual definition of evolution.

So..... no, you weren't being a stickler. You were being a dumbass.

All of the things that you said "were a whole framework of processes and mechanisms" all of these processes from genetic drift to natural selection lead to different frequencies of alleles. The null hypothesis for evolution within a species for a certain gene is to see if the frequency of a gene meets with the same frequency it would have if mating were completely random with no competition.

Also, thank you for agreeing that artificial selection IS evolution, I would also like to point out that artificial selection will never give the same product as natural selection or we wouldn't bother to take the time and breed the damn things selectively. We would just put them in the wild for a decade and catch the new animals they produce.

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Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« Reply #359 on: July 05, 2010, 05:52:48 AM »
No. Artificial selection is simply changing what characteristics will raise the fitness of an animal. Evolution is the change in frequency of alleles at a specific loci.
I hate to be a stickler with details, but Evolution is a whole framework of processes and mechanisms, which encompasses allele change, natural selection and artificial selection.

Both the creation of diversity through allele change and the progressive adaptation of a species to its surroundings through natural selection are mechanisms of Evolution.  And yes, the modification of the rules above by human hands are also a mechanism of Evolution, even though the adaptation is not necessarily what natural selection would produce.

I gave you the actual definition of evolution.

So..... no, you weren't being a stickler. You were being a dumbass.

All of the things that you said "were a whole framework of processes and mechanisms" all of these processes from genetic drift to natural selection lead to different frequencies of alleles. The null hypothesis for evolution within a species for a certain gene is to see if the frequency of a gene meets with the same frequency it would have if mating were completely random with no competition.

Also, thank you for agreeing that artificial selection IS evolution, I would also like to point out that artificial selection will never give the same product as natural selection or we wouldn't bother to take the time and breed the damn things selectively. We would just put them in the wild for a decade and catch the new animals they produce.
Please show me the dictionary definition you are talking about, since I cannot find one that even mentions alleles.

The definition of Evolution came some 100 years before alleles entered the scene, so I am very interested in your source.

Since I am a dumbass, I assume you are at least less of a dumbass as me and you do not insult people while arguing unsustainable claims you just blurted out, or are you?

Otherwise I can only conclude that you are purposely trying to destroy what little quality these forums still have by insulting those who dare question your made-up claims.