Intelligence Standards

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2010, 11:05:56 AM »
Mayor McCheese was surprisingly pro-abortion.

I doubt that, mccdonalds has an economic model based on forcing impoverished mothers to buy unhealthy food simply because they can afford nothing else. Every abortion is a loss in chicken nugget sales.

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2010, 11:19:56 AM »
Mayor McCheese was surprisingly pro-abortion.

I doubt that, mccdonalds has an economic model based on forcing impoverished mothers to buy unhealthy food simply because they can afford nothing else. Every abortion is a loss in chicken nugget sales.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2010, 11:45:56 PM »
Mayor McCheese was surprisingly pro-abortion.

I doubt that, mccdonalds has an economic model based on forcing impoverished mothers to buy unhealthy food simply because they can afford nothing else. Every abortion is a loss in chicken nugget sales.
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Ah, I think he was more into it for racial cleansing purposes. (shudders)

Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2010, 11:49:19 PM »
Mayor McCheese was surprisingly pro-abortion.

I doubt that, mccdonalds has an economic model based on forcing impoverished mothers to buy unhealthy food simply because they can afford nothing else. Every abortion is a loss in chicken nugget sales.
READ THE BOLD
Ah, I think he was more into it for racial cleansing purposes. (shudders)

We can't let those fucking angus quarter pounders multiply, they will rape our crops and burn our daughters.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2010, 06:26:55 AM »
Mayor McCheese was surprisingly pro-abortion.

I doubt that, mccdonalds has an economic model based on forcing impoverished mothers to buy unhealthy food simply because they can afford nothing else. Every abortion is a loss in chicken nugget sales.
READ THE BOLD
Ah, I think he was more into it for racial cleansing purposes. (shudders)

We can't let those fucking angus quarter pounders multiply, they will rape our crops and burn our daughters.
Australia here.
Enjoy my angus.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2010, 10:29:36 AM »
Mayor McCheese was surprisingly pro-abortion.

I doubt that, mccdonalds has an economic model based on forcing impoverished mothers to buy unhealthy food simply because they can afford nothing else. Every abortion is a loss in chicken nugget sales.
READ THE BOLD
Ah, I think he was more into it for racial cleansing purposes. (shudders)

We can't let those fucking angus quarter pounders multiply, they will rape our crops and burn our daughters.
Australia here.
Enjoy my angus.

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2010, 04:38:08 PM »
Reading this thread, I somehow think that intelligence standards for utilising the Internet perhaps wouldn't be such a bad thing after all.
Here's an explanation for ya. Lurk moar. Every single point you brought up has been posted, reposted, debated and debunked. There is a search function on this forum, and it is very easy to use.

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2010, 09:05:35 PM »
Reading this thread, I somehow think that intelligence standards for utilising the Internet perhaps wouldn't be such a bad thing after all.

I've said before that people who can't work out how to set up their own internet connection shouldn't be permitted to have one (or at the very least, should have read-only access).
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2010, 09:54:12 PM »
Reading this thread, I somehow think that intelligence standards for utilising the Internet perhaps wouldn't be such a bad thing after all.

I've said before that people who can't work out how to set up their own internet connection shouldn't be permitted to have one (or at the very least, should have read-only access).

So...because someone isn't very tech-savvy, they shouldn't be allowed to use the Internet?  That makes a lot of sense.  Also, people who don't have a full understanding of how radio transmissions work shouldn't be permitted to watch TV.

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2010, 09:59:31 PM »
So...because someone isn't very tech-savvy, they shouldn't be allowed to use the Internet?  That makes a lot of sense.  Also, people who don't have a full understanding of how radio transmissions work shouldn't be permitted to watch TV.

Setting up an internet connection doesn't involve anything more than plugging in a few cables and making sure some numbers are entered correctly. If you can't do that, you're probably not going to be posting anything useful on the internet anyway.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2010, 09:19:33 AM »
So...because someone isn't very tech-savvy, they shouldn't be allowed to use the Internet?  That makes a lot of sense.  Also, people who don't have a full understanding of how radio transmissions work shouldn't be permitted to watch TV.

Setting up an internet connection doesn't involve anything more than plugging in a few cables and making sure some numbers are entered correctly. If you can't do that, you're probably not going to be posting anything useful on the internet anyway.

But that's just it.  You're assuming that not being able to set up an Internet connection shows a lack of intelligence.  People who can't do it aren't necessarily stupid, they might just not have a lot of experience with technology.  To say, an English major, terms like "analogy", "ellipsis", and "prosody" might be very simple, but there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't be able to define even one of them.  Does that make them stupid?  No, it just shows that everyone has different strengths and weaknesses,

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2010, 09:55:36 AM »
So since parsifal can't set up a basic social situation should he not be allowed to reproduce?

I see no reason the same rules shouldn't apply to him that he wants to apply to others.

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2010, 10:36:23 AM »
So since parsifal can't set up a basic social situation should he not be allowed to reproduce?

I see no reason the same rules shouldn't apply to him that he wants to apply to others.
I don't think stupidity is hereditary.
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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2010, 10:47:56 AM »
So since parsifal can't set up a basic social situation should he not be allowed to reproduce?

I see no reason the same rules shouldn't apply to him that he wants to apply to others.
I don't think stupidity is hereditary.

Yes it is.  It's also spread via social groups.

Anyway I have to agree with Parsifal.  Today it's mostly "plug in cable A to box B.  Plug cable C into Computer."  Windows will pop on, say it found an internet connection, and you're surfing the web.  The intelligence required is the same as put this square plug into the square hole and the round plug into the round hole.

However, the physical ability must be there.  If you can't move your hands, for example, then your intelligence can't be measured by this simple test.
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« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2010, 01:28:11 PM »
However, the physical ability must be there.  If you can't move your hands, for example, then your intelligence can't be measured by this simple test.

You would have quite a lot of trouble using the internet without the use of your hands anyways.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2010, 02:11:07 PM »
So since parsifal can't set up a basic social situation should he not be allowed to reproduce?

I see no reason the same rules shouldn't apply to him that he wants to apply to others.
I don't think stupidity is hereditary.

Yes it is.  It's also spread via social groups.

Err, if it spreads via social groups it isn't hereditary.
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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2010, 02:51:58 PM »
So since parsifal can't set up a basic social situation should he not be allowed to reproduce?

I see no reason the same rules shouldn't apply to him that he wants to apply to others.
I don't think stupidity is hereditary.

Yes it is.  It's also spread via social groups.

Err, if it spreads via social groups it isn't hereditary.

He just said it was both hereditary AND spread via social groups. Which it is.
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« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2010, 02:59:53 PM »
The problem isn't stupidity but ignorance. There was a girl at my school who was a dopey idiot but scored really well in exams because she put her heart andf soul into learning things which came second nature to me so I was complacent and scored lower than her.

either that or (at the risk of becoming a sig) I'm an idiot.

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2010, 07:48:19 PM »
So since parsifal can't set up a basic social situation should he not be allowed to reproduce?

I see no reason the same rules shouldn't apply to him that he wants to apply to others.
I don't think stupidity is hereditary.

Yes it is.  It's also spread via social groups.

Anyway I have to agree with Parsifal.  Today it's mostly "plug in cable A to box B.  Plug cable C into Computer."  Windows will pop on, say it found an internet connection, and you're surfing the web.  The intelligence required is the same as put this square plug into the square hole and the round plug into the round hole.

However, the physical ability must be there.  If you can't move your hands, for example, then your intelligence can't be measured by this simple test.

Sorry, but hooking up cables is far from intuitive or logical however it may seem to us. We grew up figuring out which cable goes in where and why so it is a very intuitive process. Someone much older that grew up simply with "cable wire goes into cable hole power chord goes into electric socket" has never had the experience of multiple intermediate steps.

If it really is a matter of "round peg goes in round hole" then may I ask you what happens if you put the cables in appropriately shaped holes out of order? Or simply in the wrong hole that is still of the appropriate shape?

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« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2010, 08:01:49 PM »
So since parsifal can't set up a basic social situation should he not be allowed to reproduce?

I see no reason the same rules shouldn't apply to him that he wants to apply to others.
I don't think stupidity is hereditary.

Yes it is.  It's also spread via social groups.

Anyway I have to agree with Parsifal.  Today it's mostly "plug in cable A to box B.  Plug cable C into Computer."  Windows will pop on, say it found an internet connection, and you're surfing the web.  The intelligence required is the same as put this square plug into the square hole and the round plug into the round hole.

However, the physical ability must be there.  If you can't move your hands, for example, then your intelligence can't be measured by this simple test.

Sorry, but hooking up cables is far from intuitive or logical however it may seem to us. We grew up figuring out which cable goes in where and why so it is a very intuitive process. Someone much older that grew up simply with "cable wire goes into cable hole power chord goes into electric socket" has never had the experience of multiple intermediate steps.

If it really is a matter of "round peg goes in round hole" then may I ask you what happens if you put the cables in appropriately shaped holes out of order? Or simply in the wrong hole that is still of the appropriate shape?

There is no order.  Allow me to explain how it works.

There is a cable called an RJ-45.  We also call it a Cat-5, but those names are meaningless.  All you need to know is that it looks like a telephone cable, only slightly bigger.

There is only one hole on your entire computer that it fits into and it only fits one way in the same way that a telephone cable only fits one way into your wall or phone.

On the modem side you have two holes.  One is for the coaxil cable coming from the outside world, which is a circular, screw peg.  The other is a square hole identical to the one on your computer.

There is no order in which these cables need to be plugged in.  Once you plug all the cables in, you're done.  If you have the mental capacity to plug in your TV to the wall outlet or hook a phone up, you can hook a computer to the internet using modern services providers.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2010, 08:05:34 PM »
Since when do computers only have one hole capable of fitting an RJ-45? What ghetto ass rigup do you have?

There should be an input and an output.

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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2010, 08:12:24 PM »
Since when do computers only have one hole capable of fitting an RJ-45? What ghetto ass rigup do you have?

There should be an input and an output.

Ummm...

since the LAN cable was invented.  Hell, since Telephones were invented.  When was the last time you saw TWO slots on the back of a phone that only accepted one line?

The input and output are in the same cable.  There are 8 copper wires inside each cable.  Those wires transmit and receive data.
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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2010, 08:13:33 PM »
However, the physical ability must be there.  If you can't move your hands, for example, then your intelligence can't be measured by this simple test.

You would have quite a lot of trouble using the internet without the use of your hands anyways.

Yeah, but voice recognition software has come a long way.  I could use my computer without my hands if I wanted to.  It would be a pain in the butt and very time consuming as well as keep me from playing any flash games but... I could at least type on this forum.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2010, 08:40:05 PM »
Since when do computers only have one hole capable of fitting an RJ-45? What ghetto ass rigup do you have?

There should be an input and an output.

Ummm...

since the LAN cable was invented.  Hell, since Telephones were invented.  When was the last time you saw TWO slots on the back of a phone that only accepted one line?

The input and output are in the same cable.  There are 8 copper wires inside each cable.  Those wires transmit and receive data.

Yes they do. I take it you haven't looked at the back of your computer recently? Most computers are setup to allow them to bridge connections to other devices, this requires two separate ports, one for connecting to a router (the input) and one for connecting to another computer (the output).

I find it funny that at the same moment you are announcing the intuitiveness of a system, you are misunderstanding the subject because the way things are labeled is misleading. Does that perhaps mean that the system is not in fact intuitive?

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« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2010, 09:26:01 PM »
Since when do computers only have one hole capable of fitting an RJ-45? What ghetto ass rigup do you have?

There should be an input and an output.

Ummm...

since the LAN cable was invented.  Hell, since Telephones were invented.  When was the last time you saw TWO slots on the back of a phone that only accepted one line?

The input and output are in the same cable.  There are 8 copper wires inside each cable.  Those wires transmit and receive data.

Yes they do. I take it you haven't looked at the back of your computer recently? Most computers are setup to allow them to bridge connections to other devices, this requires two separate ports, one for connecting to a router (the input) and one for connecting to another computer (the output).

I find it funny that at the same moment you are announcing the intuitiveness of a system, you are misunderstanding the subject because the way things are labeled is misleading. Does that perhaps mean that the system is not in fact intuitive?

I'm an expert at computers.  I look at the back of computers on a daily basis, built many of them, and setup roughly 300 separate desktop machines personally.  And I hate to tell YOU but most computers are NOT setup to bridge between two devices.  The only ones that you might see are dial-up modems, which allow you to have a phone line pass-through to a phone. 

When a computer wants to connect to another computer it will most likely use the LAN jack (or Ethernet port if you wish).  It goes from the computer to a router and from the router to another computer.  Why on Earth would you make a computer a pass through when you don't need to?  Can it be done?  Sure.  I've got 2 LAN ports on my motherboard.  Doesn't mean I one of them is strictly output and one is input.


There are other ways, such as the serial port, but that's not widely used outside of direct PC to PC connections (rare) and PC to switch/router interface connections for business networks.

Perhaps YOU are misunderstanding eh?

Let's look at what we've got on the back of a standard computer shall we?

LPT port. (Not usually as they've been replaced by USB)
Serial Port.
VGA or DVI port. (ie. video)
Sound - Line IN
Sound - Line Out
Sound - Mic
USB Ports (various but is at least 2 on modern setups)
(on older computers...)
2 PS2 ports for Keyboard and Mouse. 
LAN/Ethernet port.

Some of the computers have more sound ports for surround sound, an extra Video port, maybe even 2 LAN/Ethernet ports.

Here's a nice picture of a motherboard ports


As I said, the ONLY time you're right is if you're talking about a 56k Modem, which has an input and output port but does NOT take an RJ-45/LAN/Ethernet cable but an RJ-8 telephone cable.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2010, 09:29:07 PM »
My point still stands. Several identical holes, each doing a different function.

I would also like to point out that an expert is the least qualified person to call his own profession intuitive, he is the most biased test subject on Earth. Not only were you attracted to the field (meaning you had some sort of intellectual gift at it) but you also do it on a daily basis.

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« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2010, 09:37:16 PM »
My point still stands. Several identical holes, each doing a different function.

I would also like to point out that an expert is the least qualified person to call his own profession intuitive, he is the most biased test subject on Earth. Not only were you attracted to the field (meaning you had some sort of intellectual gift at it) but you also do it on a daily basis.

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We're talking about connecting to the internet, not setting up the whole computer.  But even then, the only issue would be your speakers.  Best part is that it's usually all color coded now.  Green for speaker out, blue for line in, red for mic.  The plugs are usually color coded too.

And since no one uses 56k modems anymore and those are labeled (they'd have to be)... kinda easy.

And I say easy because aside from the stereo jacks everything either goes into ONLY one port OR the other ports it could go in do the exact same thing.  4 USB ports all do the SAME EXACT THING. 

Now if you wanna talk Operating System or installing software, sure it can be an issue.  But even a blind man could put those cables in.  That's why I say it's easy: One Port, one plug.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2010, 02:34:28 AM »
Quite down about plugging in the internentz for a bit please, the internet is not a big truck, its a series of tubes.
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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2010, 01:08:03 PM »
My point still stands. Several identical holes, each doing a different function.

I would also like to point out that an expert is the least qualified person to call his own profession intuitive, he is the most biased test subject on Earth. Not only were you attracted to the field (meaning you had some sort of intellectual gift at it) but you also do it on a daily basis.

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We're talking about connecting to the internet, not setting up the whole computer.  But even then, the only issue would be your speakers.  Best part is that it's usually all color coded now.  Green for speaker out, blue for line in, red for mic.  The plugs are usually color coded too.

And since no one uses 56k modems anymore and those are labeled (they'd have to be)... kinda easy.

And I say easy because aside from the stereo jacks everything either goes into ONLY one port OR the other ports it could go in do the exact same thing.  4 USB ports all do the SAME EXACT THING. 

Now if you wanna talk Operating System or installing software, sure it can be an issue.  But even a blind man could put those cables in.  That's why I say it's easy: One Port, one plug.

I should have been more specific earlier, I was thinking about hooking up the internet through wifi which does have some non redundant cable ports, one being an input from the router, and others being solely outputs for other computers.

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Re: Intelligence Standards
« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2010, 02:25:52 PM »
My point still stands. Several identical holes, each doing a different function.

I would also like to point out that an expert is the least qualified person to call his own profession intuitive, he is the most biased test subject on Earth. Not only were you attracted to the field (meaning you had some sort of intellectual gift at it) but you also do it on a daily basis.

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We're talking about connecting to the internet, not setting up the whole computer.  But even then, the only issue would be your speakers.  Best part is that it's usually all color coded now.  Green for speaker out, blue for line in, red for mic.  The plugs are usually color coded too.

And since no one uses 56k modems anymore and those are labeled (they'd have to be)... kinda easy.

And I say easy because aside from the stereo jacks everything either goes into ONLY one port OR the other ports it could go in do the exact same thing.  4 USB ports all do the SAME EXACT THING. 

Now if you wanna talk Operating System or installing software, sure it can be an issue.  But even a blind man could put those cables in.  That's why I say it's easy: One Port, one plug.

I should have been more specific earlier, I was thinking about hooking up the internet through wifi which does have some non redundant cable ports, one being an input from the router, and others being solely outputs for other computers.

Oh, well hooking up a wireless router or Access point is much more complex and not something I'd expect anyone to be able to do.
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