Debate on Antarctic - centred map.

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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2010, 04:00:39 PM »
So that's where Tom got to!


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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2010, 04:34:22 PM »
I always knew Tom Bishop was flat. Thanks for confirming the theory!
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2010, 04:35:07 PM »
Anyway, the lost continent of Zetetica aside, what grounds do the flat guys have for preferring the Arcticentric map over this one? I demand that this possibility be taken at least as seriously by them as the others, and therefore that it needs a place in the FAQ.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2010, 05:30:47 PM »
It actually doesn't matter. someone must calculate the area of each sector, the rectangular like shape that is cut by the rings/latitudes and the radii. and do it for the oceans too then we will all figure out weather SA or NA is near the middle.

or just use Colorado: it aligns with 37-41 N and 102 and 109 west. so the arc length is 4o
dividing 20,000km radius by the 180 degrees of latitude gives us 111.1(rep) per degree, so given the north pole at the center,
Colorado must be between 49 and 53 degrees, so it is between 5444.4 km and 5888.9km. Therfore the integral for are yields

?rdrd?

with the region being 0<?<4 and 5444.4<r<5888.9

the result is 175,806 km2
If we did it with antarctic in the center the region in
0<?<4 and 15444.4<r<15888.9

the result is 486,166km

and then you realize that the earth is not flat because it should be 270,000km2
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #35 on: May 10, 2010, 06:03:44 PM »
and then you realize that the earth is not flat because it should be 270,000km2

How do you know this?
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2010, 06:22:16 PM »
and then you realize that the earth is not flat because it should be 270,000km2

How do you know this?

ummm, internet?
and how did they find it? by using land surveying techniques aka planimeter + find the perimiter and draw it. these methods don't rely on a sphere, in fact you pretend the earth is flat, so we don't have a problem.
Next are you gonna say the conspiracy calculated land areas of every country, city, town, and ocean with GPS magic, and then changed them everywhere written to agree with a prediction of the surface integral that represents Round Earth?
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2010, 11:02:04 PM »
and how did they find it? by using land surveying techniques aka planimeter + find the perimiter and draw it. these methods don't rely on a sphere, in fact you pretend the earth is flat, so we don't have a problem.
Next are you gonna say the conspiracy calculated land areas of every country, city, town, and ocean with GPS magic, and then changed them everywhere written to agree with a prediction of the surface integral that represents Round Earth?
lolno

Your method assumes Colorado is a perfect annular sector. I somehow doubt this is the case.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2010, 01:16:40 AM »
and how did they find it? by using land surveying techniques aka planimeter + find the perimiter and draw it. these methods don't rely on a sphere, in fact you pretend the earth is flat, so we don't have a problem.
Next are you gonna say the conspiracy calculated land areas of every country, city, town, and ocean with GPS magic, and then changed them everywhere written to agree with a prediction of the surface integral that represents Round Earth?
lolno

Your method assumes Colorado is a perfect annular sector. I somehow doubt this is the case.

You're assuming it's not?

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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2010, 02:06:07 AM »
You're assuming it's not?

No, I'm doubting that it is, because that is highly improbable. It could very well be, but he needs to show that it is in order for his working to be valid.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2010, 07:57:46 PM »
and how did they find it? by using land surveying techniques aka planimeter + find the perimiter and draw it. these methods don't rely on a sphere, in fact you pretend the earth is flat, so we don't have a problem.
Next are you gonna say the conspiracy calculated land areas of every country, city, town, and ocean with GPS magic, and then changed them everywhere written to agree with a prediction of the surface integral that represents Round Earth?
lolno

Your method assumes Colorado is a perfect annular sector. I somehow doubt this is the case.

Its an estimate, and lrn2 US History. they made it that way for a reason, they didn't say lol, lets make a ellipsoidal rectangle.
and why do RE Maps, GPS, and good old surveying coincide. did the consiracy change the data and kill the surveyors?

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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2010, 11:24:50 PM »
Its an estimate, and lrn2 US History. they made it that way for a reason, they didn't say lol, lets make a ellipsoidal rectangle.
and why do RE Maps, GPS, and good old surveying coincide. did the consiracy change the data and kill the surveyors?

I don't know anything about U.S. history. Having spent a total of approximately one week of my life until now within the U.S., I haven't felt the need to learn about it. I don't even know what shape Colorado is, but if it is actually an annular sector I would appreciate evidence of this.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2010, 10:40:02 AM »
Its an estimate, and lrn2 US History. they made it that way for a reason, they didn't say lol, lets make a ellipsoidal rectangle.
and why do RE Maps, GPS, and good old surveying coincide. did the conspiracy change the data and kill the surveyors?

I don't know anything about U.S. history. Having spent a total of approximately one week of my life until now within the U.S., I haven't felt the need to learn about it. I don't even know what shape Colorado is, but if it is actually an annular sector I would appreciate evidence of this.

This is Colorado:
here's a map of the US with Lat and Long. lines


The treaty is designed it to fit along the latitudes and longitudes.
there was one minor flaw along the utah border, because of perhaps an error in the surveying, but
this shouldn't make a difference

http://www.howderfamily.com/blog/?p=945


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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #43 on: May 12, 2010, 11:17:29 AM »
You're assuming it's not?

No, I'm doubting that it is, because that is highly improbable.

On this forum, "highly improbable" is a synonym for "very likely". See: Teh Konsipracy.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2010, 02:37:38 PM »
I think the map being centered is just as plausible as it being centered on the north pole. But that is not saying much  :)

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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2010, 03:59:46 PM »
I think the map being centered is just as plausible as it being centered on the north pole. But that is not saying much  :)

That's my whole point with this thread - they put great effort into defending the north centred model, whereas the equally likely south centred possibility is ignored. Personally I don't think the earth is flat at all, but if flat guys are going to make a choice of what model they believe, they should justify the choice of one over the other.
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« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2010, 05:57:30 PM »
The problem is their mindset.  Most are in the northern hemisphere and know that the pacific ocean is really big.  It's because of those two reasons that they often don't care about warping spacial distances that involve the southern hemisphere or the pacific.  Their reason for having one map over another is pretty clear by which regions they don't mind distorting.

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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2010, 08:06:08 PM »
The problem is their mindset.  Most are in the northern hemisphere and know that the pacific ocean is really big.  It's because of those two reasons that they often don't care about warping spacial distances that involve the southern hemisphere or the pacific.  Their reason for having one map over another is pretty clear by which regions they don't mind distorting.

The real problem is that they are in fact quite smart individuals, but yet cannot decide upon anything really as their final theories.
So when we ask about their maps, their like lol the earth is flat dood. they argue against things with great uses of logical fallacies, but fail to see how it breaks down in the larger picture like their boomerang shaped australia

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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2010, 12:55:44 PM »
An Antarctic centred map has the advantage of explaining the presence of polar bases, so it's actually more FET-friendly than the north centred version.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2010, 02:41:42 PM »
An Antarctic centred map has the advantage of explaining the presence of polar bases, so it's actually more FET-friendly than the north centred version.

But Ive just shown it cannot be either with some mathematicals

Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2010, 02:55:30 PM »
Being interchangeable, they're either equally likely or equally wrong.  I think that's the point being made.

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« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2010, 04:22:33 PM »
Being interchangeable, they're either equally likely or equally wrong.  I think that's the point being made.

Yep.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2010, 05:44:04 PM »
so I guess FEH is debunked then...with no map what exactly is the point.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2010, 07:59:14 PM »
so I guess FEH is debunked then...with no map what exactly is the point.
phew, this forum is taking years off of my life

Agreed.  I don't think FE'ers should even be allowed to speak in this forum until they have a working model of a Flat Earth.  Until then, absolutely none of their arguments will be valid.  Because, seriously, YOU CAN'T HAVE A FLAT EARTH WITHOUT A FREAKING FLAT EARTH.

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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2010, 08:52:53 PM »
so I guess FEH is debunked then...with no map what exactly is the point.
phew, this forum is taking years off of my life

Well, it's a good thing that nobody is making you post here then. You're free to leave any time you like.

Agreed.  I don't think FE'ers should even be allowed to speak in this forum until they have a working model of a Flat Earth.  Until then, absolutely none of their arguments will be valid.  Because, seriously, YOU CAN'T HAVE A FLAT EARTH WITHOUT A FREAKING FLAT EARTH.

We shouldn't be allowed to speak here? It's our forum. Go somewhere else to post if you don't like what's said here.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #55 on: May 15, 2010, 06:45:35 AM »
Being interchangeable, they're either equally likely or equally wrong.  I think that's the point being made.


Which is why models along the lines of those supported by myself and levee should be supported.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #56 on: May 15, 2010, 08:11:20 AM »
Being interchangeable, they're either equally likely or equally wrong.  I think that's the point being made.


Which is why models along the lines of those supported by myself and levee should be supported.

They should also be analysed for flaws, in the case of your model there is a flaw in that the Sun cannot move at a constant speed over it. And many others which I can't be bothered to list.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #57 on: May 15, 2010, 10:00:34 AM »
so I guess FEH is debunked then...with no map what exactly is the point.
phew, this forum is taking years off of my life

Well, it's a good thing that nobody is making you post here then. You're free to leave any time you like.

Agreed.  I don't think FE'ers should even be allowed to speak in this forum until they have a working model of a Flat Earth.  Until then, absolutely none of their arguments will be valid.  Because, seriously, YOU CAN'T HAVE A FLAT EARTH WITHOUT A FREAKING FLAT EARTH.

Parsifal, you missed our point. 

Our point was, how can anyone take your FET seriously when you can't come up with what should be the easiest and most important part of your argument: a map?  Even if all of your other arguments were true, the fact that you can't get a working map for your Flat Earth delegitimizes all other facts, evidence, and arguments.

We shouldn't be allowed to speak here? It's our forum. Go somewhere else to post if you don't like what's said here.

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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #58 on: May 15, 2010, 01:04:36 PM »
They should also be analysed for flaws, in the case of your model there is a flaw in that the Sun cannot move at a constant speed over it.


As I have said on several occasions, the Sun does not appear to zoom around the sky in my model. Please stop trying to assert that I think otherwise, because it is a blatent and dishonest misrepresentation of the model and my position.


And many others which I can't be bothered to list.


Or explain to the rest of us, or elucidate with any degree of clarity.
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Re: Debate on Antarctic - centred map.
« Reply #59 on: May 15, 2010, 01:12:06 PM »
As I have said on several occasions, the Sun does not appear to zoom around the sky in my model.

Except when it has to get from the western edge back to the eastern edge.
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