Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster

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Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« on: May 04, 2010, 03:13:05 PM »
Admiral K. P. Jessen, the famed Round Earth Seamaster, talked of seeing as far as 900km away in Japanese waters.

"Standing on the command bridge together with the senior and junior
 navigating officers and the officer of the watch, I observed the rising
 sun: the horizon was perfectly clean, free of clouds and the rising
 sun appeared to us, as always, in the form of a continually increasing
 bright segment. Suddenly I, and behind me also the aforesaid officers,
 noticed on the perfectly clean disk of the sun a dark spot, continually
 increasing just like the rising sun above the horizon and little by
 little taking on the obvious form of a high mountain. In a few seconds
 a new spot appeared on the left beside this peak, gradually changing into
 another such summit, but lower, separated from the first by a deep pass.
 Finally, the entire disk of the sun was covered from limb to limb by
 a whole mountain massif, reaching to the very lowest limb of the sun as
 it rose. Just as the whole solar sphere separated from the water horizon,
 the whole phenomenon instantly vanished."
The illusion is shattered if we ask what goes on behind the scenes.

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 04:04:09 PM »
Admiral K. P. Jessen, the famed Round Earth Seamaster, talked of seeing as far as 900km away in Japanese waters.

"Standing on the command bridge together with the senior and junior
 navigating officers and the officer of the watch, I observed the rising
 sun: the horizon was perfectly clean, free of clouds and the rising
 sun appeared to us, as always, in the form of a continually increasing
 bright segment. Suddenly I, and behind me also the aforesaid officers,
 noticed on the perfectly clean disk of the sun a dark spot, continually
 increasing just like the rising sun above the horizon and little by
 little taking on the obvious form of a high mountain. In a few seconds
 a new spot appeared on the left beside this peak, gradually changing into
 another such summit, but lower, separated from the first by a deep pass.
 Finally, the entire disk of the sun was covered from limb to limb by
 a whole mountain massif, reaching to the very lowest limb of the sun as
 it rose. Just as the whole solar sphere separated from the water horizon,
 the whole phenomenon instantly vanished."

You were just arguing that you can't see any distances of significant...farness... because Air is not clear. But now you can see 900km?  ??? Through dense, water vapor, sea spray laden Air nonetheless?
In case you forgot, it was this thread: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38718.0
and the one that led to it.

Ignoring your sudden change in attitude, how does this account support seeing mountains?
The man clearly sees a rising sun, a spot appears on the sun, as the sun rises further the spot gets larger and another spot appears, then suddenly disappears. Sounds like some sort of optical phenomenon.

How can a spot grow on the Sun, given that the supposed mountain is stationary? I have no idea what phenomenon this could possibly be, but it certainly doesn't support seeing Japan 900km away. However, it does support that the sun is definitely not a disk that rests 3000km above the earth!

Least of all you failed to make a reference that is capable of explaining any sort of context beyond that quote...
« Last Edit: May 04, 2010, 04:46:29 PM by Deceiver »

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 04:29:35 PM »
John, first of all, that account lacks context.  Secondly, it sounds like he observed a mirage.  What is that supposed to prove?
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 04:33:51 PM »
John, first of all, that account lacks context.  Secondly, it sounds like he observed a mirage.  What is that supposed to prove?

Bit of context.
http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/bibliog/bibliog.html

Just scroll until you find the admiral.
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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 04:42:32 PM »
John, first of all, that account lacks context.  Secondly, it sounds like he observed a mirage.  What is that supposed to prove?

Bit of context.
http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/bibliog/bibliog.html

Just scroll until you find the admiral.

Definitely not a mountain. Thanks for the link.

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 05:04:49 PM »
Admiral K. P. Jessen, the famed Round Earth Seamaster, talked of seeing as far as 900km away in Japanese waters.


And yet it is suggested that the reason I can't see the 40 miles to France is because "air is not transparent".  ::)
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 05:15:12 PM »
Admiral K. P. Jessen, the famed Round Earth Seamaster, talked of seeing as far as 900km away in Japanese waters.


And yet it is suggested that the reason I can't see the 40 miles to France is because "air is not transparent".  ::)

And Leeve then says that you CAN see from England to France.
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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 05:45:44 PM »
Admiral K. P. Jessen, the famed Round Earth Seamaster, talked of seeing as far as 900km away in Japanese waters.


And yet it is suggested that the reason I can't see the 40 miles to France is because "air is not transparent".  ::)

And Leeve then says that you CAN see from England to France.

Yes, you can from Folkestone, but not from Hastings. Because it's too far.
It's ridiculous - there's not even any consensus on whether the earth even LOOKS flat! Some say "yes, you can see 900km". Some say "No, the horizon has a magic perspective effect." Others say "The air blocks visibility beyond 20 miles". Make your bloody minds up or forever be laughed and pointed at.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 07:43:39 PM »
There are reports of people seeing bodies hundreds of miles away in friged environments such as in the Arctic circle and in low density environments such as the summit of Mt. Everest.

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 07:46:33 PM »
And most (if not all) of those sightings can be explained by various atmospheric refractive phenomena.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 08:19:42 PM »
And most (if not all) of those sightings can be explained by various atmospheric refractive phenomena.
Unlike this one.
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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 08:31:56 PM »
Admiral K. P. Jessen, the famed Round Earth Seamaster, talked of seeing as far as 900km away in Japanese waters.


And yet it is suggested that the reason I can't see the 40 miles to France is because "air is not transparent".  ::)
Are you suggesting the circumstances of your supposed view match those with the Admiral?
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2010, 08:34:35 PM »
And most (if not all) of those sightings can be explained by various atmospheric refractive phenomena.
Unlike this one.
Why not?  ???
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 08:43:48 PM »
I saw God.



Are you going to quote me and use me in an argument about Religion?
That's all you have.


What we have is explanations as to why.

Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 08:44:06 PM »
Some say "yes, you can see 900km"...Others say "The air blocks visibility beyond 20 miles".

Worse yet, sometimes these are the same person.

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2010, 09:56:01 PM »
Some say "yes, you can see 900km"...Others say "The air blocks visibility beyond 20 miles".

Worse yet, sometimes these are the same person.
Admiral K. P. Jessen, the famed Round Earth Seamaster, talked of seeing as far as 900km away in Japanese waters.


And yet it is suggested that the reason I can't see the 40 miles to France is because "air is not transparent".  ::)
Are you suggesting the circumstances of your supposed view match those with the Admiral?
Are you suggesting the circumstances of TD's view match those with the Admiral?
The illusion is shattered if we ask what goes on behind the scenes.

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2010, 09:56:59 PM »
And most (if not all) of those sightings can be explained by various atmospheric refractive phenomena.
Unlike this one.
Why not?  ???
Thats what I'm asking.  Why hasn't this been explained and instead this Seamaster familiar with the region and of upstanding stature is called a liar and a farce.
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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2010, 10:40:36 PM »
And most (if not all) of those sightings can be explained by various atmospheric refractive phenomena.
Unlike this one.
Why not?  ???
Thats what I'm asking.  Why hasn't this been explained and instead this Seamaster familiar with the region and of upstanding stature is called a liar and a farce.

I don't think anyone believes the admiral is lying... but we do believe it was an optical phenomenon. That said, I don't think anyone commenting on this subject is a physicist, or even has extensive knowledge of optics... so none of us can say definitively. What can be said though, is the optical properties of air at sea level, and the manner in which the Admiral described the event, do not by any means support that he saw anything related to mountains. It might have appeared to have a mountain-like shape... but it couldn't have been a mountain.

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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2010, 05:48:44 AM »
Thats what I'm asking.  Why hasn't this been explained and instead this Seamaster familiar with the region and of upstanding stature is called a liar and a farce.

I don't believe that the Admiral intended to deceive anyone with his account.  However, if he did indeed see mountains some 900 km away, why were they visible only for a few moments? 
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Re: Admiral K. P. Jessen, Round Earth Seamaster
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2010, 01:01:19 PM »
Admiral K. P. Jessen, the famed Round Earth Seamaster, talked of seeing as far as 900km away in Japanese waters.


And yet it is suggested that the reason I can't see the 40 miles to France is because "air is not transparent".  ::)
Are you suggesting the circumstances of your supposed view match those with the Admiral?

Considering I have lived here for over eight years and looked out across the sea most days in all sorts of weather and at all times of day and night and have so far failed to spot the coast of France, the chances of my circumstances NOT matching up with those of the Admiral at some point are pretty unlikely.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2010, 03:20:28 PM »
Meh.
It sounds like the Admiral was just seeing spots.  You know, like the kind of spots you see when you stare at a very bright light for too long.  I mean, he WAS staring at the sun...
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