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Which map do you agree with the most?

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Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With

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Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« on: May 04, 2010, 08:13:51 AM »
Well guys, since we can't get any real response in the Unified FET thread, I figured this one would help.

If you are an FE'er, I need you to post which map you voted on, and why.  Thank you.

Flat Earth Map #1


Flat Earth Map #2
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 08:38:54 AM »
Both those maps are very wrong, as they include the viewpoint which goes back to the 19th century (and used by S. Rowbotham): that the continents are distributed around the North Pole.

This is by far a much better map, based on the concept of the three stellar orbits (northern circumpolar, southern circumpolar, regular orbits):



Now, the Piri Reis map is not the most complete map possible: I believe that the real shapes of North/South America (especially USA, Canada, and Brazil) and that of Africa and Australia are somewhat different from what we have been led to believe, but it answers immediately and completely any and all questions re: airplance flights (Santiago - Sydney, Santiago - Juneau, London - Sydney, Tokyo - Los Angeles, London - Tokyo, Shanghai - Los Angeles) and much more.

There are three kinds of stellar orbits, here is the photograph to prove it:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0903/5hOHPsanterne900.jpg

See the following links for complete explanations:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p34143
http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p33509
http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p33520

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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 08:43:28 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 04, 2010, 08:38:54 AM
Both those maps are very wrong, as they include the viewpoint which goes back to the 19th century (and used by S. Rowbotham): that the continents are distributed around the North Pole.

This is by far a much better map, based on the concept of the three stellar orbits (northern circumpolar, southern circumpolar, regular orbits):



Now, the Piri Reis map is not the most complete map possible: I believe that the real shapes of North/South America (especially USA, Canada, and Brazil) and that of Africa and Australia are somewhat different from what we have been led to believe, but it answers immediately and completely any and all questions re: airplance flights (Santiago - Sydney, Santiago - Juneau, London - Sydney, Tokyo - Los Angeles, London - Tokyo, Shanghai - Los Angeles) and much more.

There are three kinds of stellar orbits, here is the photograph to prove it:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0903/5hOHPsanterne900.jpg

See the following links for complete explanations:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p34143
http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p33509
http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p33520


I have to say I'm impressed.  You're the first FE'er to actually post something other than the wiki instead of just saying, "It's an incomplete model".  (Yes, I'm referring to you Lord Wilmore)  However, your map still doesn't account for flightes from Australia to South America.  These head east and do not cross land until they get to South America.  They also take far less time and travel a much shorter distance than your map suggests.

However, I've added your map to the poll.  Please vote!
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 08:43:43 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 04, 2010, 08:38:54 AM
Both those maps are very wrong, as they include the viewpoint which goes back to the 19th century (and used by S. Rowbotham): that the continents are distributed around the North Pole.

This is by far a much better map, based on the concept of the three stellar orbits (northern circumpolar, southern circumpolar, regular orbits):



Now, the Piri Reis map is not the most complete map possible: I believe that the real shapes of North/South America (especially USA, Canada, and Brazil) and that of Africa and Australia are somewhat different from what we have been led to believe, but it answers immediately and completely any and all questions re: airplance flights (Santiago - Sydney, Santiago - Juneau, London - Sydney, Tokyo - Los Angeles, London - Tokyo, Shanghai - Los Angeles) and much more.

There are three kinds of stellar orbits, here is the photograph to prove it:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0903/5hOHPsanterne900.jpg

See the following links for complete explanations:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p34143
http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p33509
http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p33520



So everyone who has flown west from South America to Australia just didn't notice that their flight was impossible?
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 08:45:27 AM »
OK, guys, thread rules!!

Rule #1:  You must post which way you voted and why!
Rule #2:  See rule #1.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 08:53:49 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 04, 2010, 08:38:54 AM

Um, just a thought, but what keeps the water on your model from falling off of the Earth?
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2010, 09:02:15 AM »
Add an option for the spherical model and I'd be happy to vote  ;D
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2010, 09:09:08 AM »
Quote from: General Disarray on May 04, 2010, 09:02:15 AM
Add an option for the spherical model and I'd be happy to vote  ;D
I would, but it would defeat my purpose of trying to get a consensus on which model is most accepted.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2010, 09:12:26 AM »
Good luck then. I'll keep an eye on this as I would like to know the answer also.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 09:23:50 AM »
Who wrote this: ...your map still doesn't account for flightes from Australia to South America.  These head east and do not cross land until they get to South America.  They also take far less time and travel a much shorter distance than your map suggests.???


Santiago - Juneau 27 hr

http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=fexp&flag=q&city1=SYD&citd1=SCL&time1=720&time2=720&cAdu=1&cSen=0&cChi=0&cInf=&infs=2&date1=10/09&date2=10/16&&rdct=1

Santiago - Sydney about 18 hr

London - Santiago 18 hr

Perfectly compatible with my map, as are all other flight distances.

Now, the ocean is kept within its bounds by the outer rim/edge of land, very simple.

To understand why the North/South Poles have never been reached by any expedition (please read the Hollow Earth by R. Bernard: http://www.scribd.com/doc/35124/Raymond-Benard-The-Hollow-Earth ) and thus to comprehend why we cannot go beyond the outer edge of the Pacific, we must understand the concept of the aether field, that is why I posted so much on the subject, with extensive proofs:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1183

Our bodies are made up of subquarks (these subquarks form the mesons, protons, quarks, visible matter), with emissive and receptive vortices; at the surface of the Earth, with the exception of very high altitudes (over 11 km), the outer edge of the Pacific, and the North/South Pole regions, the density of the aether is normal, but in those regions just mentioned the density increases greatly, and anything made up of physical matter cannot go beyond those aether screens/shields (subquark level). All NASA/MIR space flights ran into this belt of resistance, and could not go further than 10-11 km in altitude. As a flight from Santiago will try to go in a westerly direction (to reach Australia), it will gradually run into the belt of resistance caused by the aether screen/shield, and will reach Australia going in a easterly direction, this is what I believe actually happens.

More details here, on the aether atomic model: http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1183#p34667
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 09:30:33 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 04, 2010, 09:23:50 AM
Who wrote this: ...your map still doesn't account for flightes from Australia to South America.  These head east and do not cross land until they get to South America.  They also take far less time and travel a much shorter distance than your map suggests.???

Santiago - Juneau 27 hr

http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=fexp&flag=q&city1=SYD&citd1=SCL&time1=720&time2=720&cAdu=1&cSen=0&cChi=0&cInf=&infs=2&date1=10/09&date2=10/16&&rdct=1

Santiago - Sydney about 18 hr

London - Santiago 18 hr

Perfectly compatible with my map, as are all other flight distances.

Net time, check where the planes fly, eh?

That's a fucking long way to fly to get from South America to Australia.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 09:35:02 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 04, 2010, 09:23:50 AM
Who wrote this: ...your map still doesn't account for flightes from Australia to South America.  These head east and do not cross land until they get to South America.  They also take far less time and travel a much shorter distance than your map suggests.???
I did.  Question, when a plane leaves Australia and heads east, what route does it take to get to South America?  Could you please draw the flight plan on your map and repost it?
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2010, 09:41:24 AM »
Where's the map with Antarctica at the centre and the Arctic round the edge?
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 09:44:59 AM »
Quote from: Thermal Detonator on May 04, 2010, 09:41:24 AM
Where's the map with Antarctica at the center and the Arctic round the edge?
Sorry dude, you're gonna have to draw one.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2010, 09:54:35 AM »
No need to draw maps, same explanation applies from east to west.

Notice the true location of New Zealand (Auckland) on the Piri Reis Map...

Actually there is such a map, with Antarctica in the center:

http://www.flem-ath.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/US-naval.jpg
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2010, 10:59:57 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 04, 2010, 09:54:35 AM

Actually there is such a map, with Antarctica in the center:

http://www.flem-ath.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/US-naval.jpg


Thankyou, Levee.
Why is this possibility never considered by the flat guys?
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2010, 12:33:47 PM »
Map number one (Rowbotham's).
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2010, 02:52:42 PM »
Map #2 disproved:

http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll?qscr=fexp&flag=q&city1=Honolulu&citd1=Sydney%2C+Australia&date1=10/9/2010&time1=720&cAdu=1&cSen=&cChi=&cInf=&infs=2&tktt=3&trpt=1&ecrc=&eccn=&qryt=8&load=1&airp1=&dair1=&rdct=1

Honolulu, Hawaii to Sydney, Australia. They are on the opposite ends of this particular map, and any attempt to not fly over land would probably double the time, but a nonstop flight is around 10 and a half hours.

EDIT: I guess this would apply to Levee's map also.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2010, 03:10:35 PM »
The north geographic pole-centered map has the same problem as a Toronto-centered map.

"Why would an honest mapmaker make a map that distorts some land masses so severely? This map has limitations even with regard to distance. You can accurately measure the distance from Toronto to, say, Paris, France or to Caracas, Venezuela, but not between Caracas and Paris. The given scale does not apply. The only constant distances are those from Toronto. That's what the map claims. That's exactly what it delivers."
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2010, 03:20:31 PM »
Quote from: Sliver on May 04, 2010, 08:43:28 AM
Quote from: levee on May 04, 2010, 08:38:54 AM
Both those maps are very wrong, as they include the viewpoint which goes back to the 19th century (and used by S. Rowbotham): that the continents are distributed around the North Pole.

This is by far a much better map, based on the concept of the three stellar orbits (northern circumpolar, southern circumpolar, regular orbits):



Now, the Piri Reis map is not the most complete map possible: I believe that the real shapes of North/South America (especially USA, Canada, and Brazil) and that of Africa and Australia are somewhat different from what we have been led to believe, but it answers immediately and completely any and all questions re: airplance flights (Santiago - Sydney, Santiago - Juneau, London - Sydney, Tokyo - Los Angeles, London - Tokyo, Shanghai - Los Angeles) and much more.

There are three kinds of stellar orbits, here is the photograph to prove it:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0903/5hOHPsanterne900.jpg

See the following links for complete explanations:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p34143
http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p33509
http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?p=33520#p33520


I have to say I'm impressed.  You're the first FE'er to actually post something other than the wiki instead of just saying, "It's an incomplete model".  (Yes, I'm referring to you Lord Wilmore)  However, your map still doesn't account for flightes from Australia to South America.  These head east and do not cross land until they get to South America.  They also take far less time and travel a much shorter distance than your map suggests.

However, I've added your map to the poll.  Please vote!

That's definitely a creative map, but... the path of the sun seems like a pretty significant problem.

To light up Hawaii, regardless of your interpretation as to where it's location is on the map, either South America or Australia would have to be completely in the dark... Which absolutely DOES NOT occur!

It looks to me that the sun would just travel in a sideways, flattened 'c' shape. Even if the sun completely fails to cover the landmasses for a lengthy period, or just travels back and forth along the unconnected equator, the map is immediately discredited. Throw a moon in there somehow, and the mess just implodes on itself further.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2010, 03:54:35 PM »
Devil's advocate idea for Map 2:
How about two identical suns?  When one goes down in the west, the other is coming up in the east.  They'd still have the same problem about light only going a certain distance before coming to an arbitrary cutoff point, though.  There's also the problem of why people standing on a geographic pole get six months of day while people on the other geographic pole experience six months of night.

Meh, I spot way too many holes in my own ideas to play an FEer convincingly.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2010, 07:06:38 PM »
Quote from: James on May 04, 2010, 12:33:47 PM
Map number one (Rowbotham's).
The thread calls for FE'ers to post which way they voted and WHY.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2010, 08:13:20 PM »
And we all know Map 1 cannot have the 12000miles of Antarctic Coastline encircle 78000miles of the rest of the Earth.

That's just a basic logic failure on a whole different level.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2010, 08:21:21 PM »
Quote from: levee on May 04, 2010, 09:54:35 AM
No need to draw maps, same explanation applies from east to west.

Actually, let's check eh?

I took 3 various routes from Sydney.




What exactly is the edge of your map here?


Want me to make it look worse and draw on the Suns path? Deceiver is onto something there.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2010, 02:37:47 AM »
Please read my messages about the path of the sun; I have posted much material pertaining to this subject, please make use of it:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1183&start=15#p35487

All three routes from Sydney fit perfectly on my map, rest assured about it...that is why it should be used immediately by the FES in order to answer questions about the distribution of the continents/flight times...

« Last Edit: May 05, 2010, 02:49:00 AM by levee »
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2010, 02:48:27 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 05, 2010, 02:37:47 AM
Please read my messages about the path of the sun; I have posted much material pertaining to this subject, please make use of it:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1183&start=15#p35487

The only reason it states the Sun travels like that is because it has to, to fit the model that is being defined.


Your maps and models make FE even worse than it already is.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2010, 02:51:21 AM »
On the contrary, my FE model is the only one which can answer any and all questions, as I have done here for the past three years; please watch the ISS/Mercury Sun/Moon transit videos and the photographs taken of the Black Sun in Antarctica, the best proofs you can ask for; my theory re: the path of the Sun takes into account many things, see that video taken near the Polar Circle (in my previous link to the .net thread)...
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2010, 02:57:11 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 05, 2010, 02:37:47 AM
Please read my messages about the path of the sun; I have posted much material pertaining to this subject, please make use of it:

http://theflatearthsociety.net/talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1183&start=15#p35487

All three routes from Sydney fit perfectly on my map, rest assured about it...that is why it should be used immediately by the FES in order to answer questions about the distribution of the continents/flight times...



The video shows that the sun never fully sets at the poles during the time when it's daylight. The RE model has no problem explaining this... that is... a rotating earth with an axis 23 degrees off the vertical predicts precisely that sort of apparent movement. It also explains why the other pole is shrouded in darkness for an equal length of time. Your model just complicates things further, and STILL fails to explain exactly what path the Sun takes.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2010, 03:00:55 AM »
Quote from: Deceiver on May 05, 2010, 02:57:11 AM
and STILL fails to explain exactly what path the Sun takes.

Let's just draw the current Sun path on his map and make him explain why it travels that way.
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Re: Which Map Do Most FE'ers Agree With
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2010, 03:02:06 AM »
Quote from: levee on May 05, 2010, 02:37:47 AM
All three routes from Sydney fit perfectly on my map...

Your map makes a pretty strange claim about the distance between Hawaii and Australia, as well as the shortest possible route, which (on your map) should be a straight line going over three or four continents.  I found a much better scaled one that explains the path quite well.  The only problem is it's round.  :'(
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