# Changes in the amount of daylight

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#### Sliver

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2010, 09:30:42 AM »
yes a spotlight would be hard to explain,
but the sun is a floodlight with a broad light wave.
The sun moves all over our round, non spherical earth. this creates the amount of light per one area. Because it is a floodlight its rays can reach 1/2 of our disk earth at once.

It indireclty shines on the moon as well , and as the sun moves and the moon moves this creates the moon phases.

Ther is no consensus on the sunrises, sunsets.
I beleieve this occurs as the sun moves off the disk and its floodlight can no longer be seen.

Here's a little experiment you can try at home to prove your statement.

OK, the sun according to the FAQ, is 32 miles across and 3000 miles away.  A ratio of 4/375.  You could also as that the distance is 93.75 times greater than the size of the object.  You claim the Sun is 32 miles across, and that the Earth is 24,900 miles across.  That means the Earth is 778.125 times larger.  Now, if we scale down the Sun to something a little more manageable for out little experiment, let's say, the size of a U.S. Quarter.  The quarter measures 31/32 in across or .96875 inches across.  Now, let's use our multiplier of 778.125 to figure out the size of our scale Earth.  We get 753.809 inches, or for easier reference 62.817 ft.  Now that we have our diameters properly scaled down, again, sorry for the mistake earlier, we can figure out our surface areas.  The quarter's would be A=3.14*0.484375^2, which equals .7367 square inches, and the scaled down Earth would be A=3.14*31.4085^2, which equals 3097.59 square ft.

So, for this experiment, you need a light source no bigger that a quarter to illuminate at least half of a circle measuring 62.817 ft across.  Go try it and get back to me.  Please be sure video tape it so you can prove it's possible.

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#### iwanttobelieve

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2010, 09:39:13 AM »
you forget, the FAQ is not the true voice of the people that believe in the disk earth theory.

the faq was written by a non believer meant to discredit those of us who believe.

I am going to write a note in the believers forum to see if we can rewrite these.

thanks

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#### Thermal Detonator

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2010, 09:43:45 AM »
So, you suggest that the sun's orbit gets wider between June 21 and December 21, and then shrinks from December 21 to June 21?  And what causes the sun to do this?

What causes gravity?

Mass.
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#### Sliver

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2010, 09:46:33 AM »
you forget, the FAQ is not the true voice of the people that believe in the disk earth theory.

the faq was written by a non believer meant to discredit those of us who believe.

I am going to write a note in the believers forum to see if we can rewrite these.

thanks

OK, so set the variables yourself.
How big is the sun?
How far away is it?
How big is the Earth in relation to the sun?

#### WardoggKC130FE

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2010, 09:58:13 AM »
You gave a theory.  No one in FES has been able to get a 32 mile wide sun floating 3000 miles above the Earth to properly illuminate the Earth.

Please, link these experiments.  Also, I've provided a nice little scale model that you can use to test what you are suggesting happens with the sun.  Use the search function and you'll find it.  Give it a try.

The problem is I already believe in the flat earth with the evidence I've gathered, and experiments already provided. If you want to take your little model and try to disprove theories then, be my guest.

Here's a little experiment you can try at home to prove your statement.

OK, the sun according to the FAQ, is 32 miles across and 3000 miles away.  A ratio of 4/375.  You could also as that the distance is 93.75 times greater than the size of the object.  You claim the Sun is 32 miles across, and that the Earth is 24,900 miles across.  That means the Earth is 778.125 times larger.  Now, if we scale down the Sun to something a little more manageable for out little experiment, let's say, the size of a U.S. Quarter.  The quarter measures 31/32 in across or .96875 inches across.  Now, let's use our multiplier of 778.125 to figure out the size of our scale Earth.  We get 753.809 inches, or for easier reference 62.817 ft.  Now that we have our diameters properly scaled down, again, sorry for the mistake earlier, we can figure out our surface areas.  The quarter's would be A=3.14*0.484375^2, which equals .7367 square inches, and the scaled down Earth would be A=3.14*31.4085^2, which equals 3097.59 square ft.

So, for this experiment, you need a light source no bigger that a quarter to illuminate at least half of a circle measuring 62.817 ft across.  Go try it and get back to me.  Please be sure video tape it so you can prove it's possible.

None of that takes into account the brightness of said light source.

So, you suggest that the sun's orbit gets wider between June 21 and December 21, and then shrinks from December 21 to June 21?  And what causes the sun to do this?

What causes gravity?

Mass.

Not so much.  Light has no mass but can be bent by gravity.

#### markjo

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2010, 10:20:14 AM »
So, you suggest that the sun's orbit gets wider between June 21 and December 21, and then shrinks from December 21 to June 21?  And what causes the sun to do this?

What causes gravity?

Mass.

Not so much.  Light has no mass but can be bent by gravity.

Correction - photons have no rest mass.  Since light is never at rest and since e=mc2 says that mass and energy are equivalent, photons are often said to have relativistic mass (mass equivalent to the energy of the photons).
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#### WardoggKC130FE

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2010, 10:56:43 AM »

Correction - photons have no rest mass.  Since light is never at rest and since e=mc2 says that mass and energy are equivalent, photons are often said to have relativistic mass (mass equivalent to the energy of the photons).

Conceded.  None of which explains what causes gravity.
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#### markjo

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2010, 11:11:10 AM »
Correction - photons have no rest mass.  Since light is never at rest and since e=mc2 says that mass and energy are equivalent, photons are often said to have relativistic mass (mass equivalent to the energy of the photons).

Conceded.  None of which explains what causes gravity.

Mass warping space-time causes the effect known as gravity.  Please try to keep up, will you?
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#### Crustinator

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2010, 11:48:44 AM »
Conceded.  None of which explains what causes gravity.

Mass.

It's that simple.

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#### Thermal Detonator

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2010, 12:04:35 PM »

Mass.

Not so much.  Light has no mass but can be bent by gravity.

The distortion of the light path is caused by the gravity of a large MASS such as a galaxy curving the path of space time. This was predicted by relativity theory before it was ever observed. The light itself is not being bent by gravity - from its own frame of reference it is travelling in a straight line and an observer moving along with it (if such a thing were possible) would think they were travelling a straight path. Space itself is caused to curve by gravity from a large MASS - within that curved space everything appears "normal". Light is not directly affected by gravity, but the path it is forced to follow is.
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#### WardoggKC130FE

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2010, 12:09:44 PM »

Mass warping space-time causes the effect known as gravity.  Please try to keep up, will you?

So we have the effect covered.

If I put you in a centrifuge, doesn't that cause the effect as well?

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#### corleone

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2010, 12:16:56 PM »
Ok, gravity isn't so perfectly explained in RET. Any otherthing? So far 1 unexplained thing (re) VS thousands of unexplained things (fe).

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#### Ellipsis

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2010, 12:23:19 PM »
We do have a great mechanism for understanding gravity.  It's the FEers who are in trouble because of people weighing more on the poles than the equator (explained perfectly by a spinning round Earth).

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#### Crustinator

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2010, 12:25:32 PM »
If I put you in a centrifuge, doesn't that cause the effect as well?

The earth is a giant salad spinner?

This is going to be good. Proceed.

#### WardoggKC130FE

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2010, 12:26:08 PM »
We do have a great mechanism for understanding gravity.  It's the FEers who are in trouble because of people weighing more on the poles than the equator (explained perfectly by a spinning round Earth).

You understand the effects....not what causes it.

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#### Ellipsis

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2010, 12:32:41 PM »
You understand the effects....not what causes it.

Yes, and from the observed effects we get clued in about the shape of our planet.
Are you going to address the equator/poles problem?

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#### Crustinator

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2010, 12:38:03 PM »
You understand the effects....not what causes it.

The effect of gravity, a measurable force of attraction, is caused by mass.

How many times do you need this explained?

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2010, 01:35:44 PM »
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#### WardoggKC130FE

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2010, 04:43:56 PM »
You understand the effects....not what causes it.

The effect of gravity, a measurable force of attraction, is caused by mass.

How many times do you need this explained?

Explain gravitrons.

#### markjo

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2010, 04:50:59 PM »
Explain gravitrons.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton
In physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravity in the framework of quantum field theory.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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#### WardoggKC130FE

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2010, 04:52:42 PM »
Explain gravitrons.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton
In physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravity in the framework of quantum field theory.

Hypothetical != proven

#### markjo

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2010, 04:59:48 PM »
Explain gravitrons.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton
In physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravity in the framework of quantum field theory.

Hypothetical != proven

Or not observed.  But, yes.  What's your point?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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#### General Disarray

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2010, 05:07:33 PM »
Do you mean hypothetical like the UA, bendy light, every map produced by FE, the ice wall, a spotlight sun, a moon that magically darkens exactly when eclipses are predicted, a massive conspiracy, "celestial gears", impossible magnetic field lines, etc. are all hypothetical?
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#### WardoggKC130FE

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2010, 05:32:40 PM »
Explain gravitrons.

Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graviton
In physics, the graviton is a hypothetical elementary particle that mediates the force of gravity in the framework of quantum field theory.

Hypothetical != proven

Or not observed.  But, yes.  What's your point?

My point is noone knows what gravity is, they can only see the effects.

What about gravity at the sub atomic level?

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#### Ellipsis

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2010, 05:42:20 PM »
What about gravity at the sub atomic level?

Weak to the point of being ignorable.

What's that have to do with this thread?

#### markjo

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2010, 06:42:45 PM »
My point is noone knows what gravity is, they can only see the effects.

Knowing what gravity is and knowing the exact mechanism by which it works are two different things.  Even though the exact mechanism is not completely understood, it's still possible to use a general understanding to make some very specific predictions.

What about gravity at the sub atomic level?

What about it?  At the sub-atomic level, the strong, weak and electromagnetic forces almost completely overwhelm the far weaker gravitational force.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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#### Sliver

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2010, 06:59:47 PM »
You gave a theory.  No one in FES has been able to get a 32 mile wide sun floating 3000 miles above the Earth to properly illuminate the Earth.

Please, link these experiments.  Also, I've provided a nice little scale model that you can use to test what you are suggesting happens with the sun.  Use the search function and you'll find it.  Give it a try.

The problem is I already believe in the flat earth with the evidence I've gathered, and experiments already provided. If you want to take your little model and try to disprove theories then, be my guest.

Here's a little experiment you can try at home to prove your statement.

OK, the sun according to the FAQ, is 32 miles across and 3000 miles away.  A ratio of 4/375.  You could also as that the distance is 93.75 times greater than the size of the object.  You claim the Sun is 32 miles across, and that the Earth is 24,900 miles across.  That means the Earth is 778.125 times larger.  Now, if we scale down the Sun to something a little more manageable for out little experiment, let's say, the size of a U.S. Quarter.  The quarter measures 31/32 in across or .96875 inches across.  Now, let's use our multiplier of 778.125 to figure out the size of our scale Earth.  We get 753.809 inches, or for easier reference 62.817 ft.  Now that we have our diameters properly scaled down, again, sorry for the mistake earlier, we can figure out our surface areas.  The quarter's would be A=3.14*0.484375^2, which equals .7367 square inches, and the scaled down Earth would be A=3.14*31.4085^2, which equals 3097.59 square ft.

So, for this experiment, you need a light source no bigger that a quarter to illuminate at least half of a circle measuring 62.817 ft across.  Go try it and get back to me.  Please be sure video tape it so you can prove it's possible.

None of that takes into account the brightness of said light source.
Use the brightest light source you want.  My point with the experiment is that a spotlight would be too close to the surface to illuminate it the way we know it to be illuminated.  And if you're using a floodlight, you have no way of controlling where the light goes.  And the burden of proof is not on me, since I'm not the one claiming the model works.  Why is it not ONE FE'er is willing to perform an experiment that might actually prove them right?

#### Sliver

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2010, 07:04:18 PM »
Stop derailing my fucking thread Wardogg!  This is not the gravity discussion thread.  Where's a mod when I need one.  Let's get back on topic.  How do FE'ers explain how the changes in the amounts of daylight above and below the equator are opposite?

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#### flyingmonkey

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2010, 08:08:26 PM »

I want any FE'er to take this diagram here, and change the shape of the Earth around until the light on it doesn't change significant shape.

Guess what shape you're going to need to change it into.

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#### Crustinator

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##### Re: Changes in the amount of daylight
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2010, 02:18:46 AM »
Explain gravitrons.

That's not an answer to the question "what causes gravity", but an answer to "How does mass cause gravity?"

Mass causes gravity. When you're comfortable with that idea we can move onto gravitons.