FE'ers don't accept anything

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Catchpa

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FE'ers don't accept anything
« on: May 02, 2010, 11:47:31 AM »
My time on this board has shown me what is not considered valid evidence by the FE'ers.

1) Physical witnesses
    * NASA could be faking news stories or paying people to say they've 'been there'. In other words, they're in on it.
2) Eye witnesses
    * NASA could have the neccesary technology to manipulate your very own eyes.
3) Photos
    * NASA could have the neccesary technology to create anything in the form of a photo.
4) Videos
    * NASA could have the neccesary technology to create anything in the form of a video.
5) Methods requiring money
    * You can't expect anyone to build their own device or take a trip around the world, it would simply cost too much.
6) Equipment
    * NASA could have the neccesary technology to distort independent devices made by anyone.

What can be accepted then?

You can't rely on your senses, primarily sight(touch, smell, taste and hearing is not really relevant). You can't rely on other equipment either to prove it for you.

Disclaimer: NASA is used interchangeable with "the conspiracy"
« Last Edit: May 02, 2010, 01:28:36 PM by Catchpa »
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2010, 01:10:10 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2010, 01:14:30 PM »
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2010, 01:17:10 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2010, 01:20:30 PM »
If your just going to point out stuff that has been covered in the FAQ you're not going to convince anyone.

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2010, 01:23:18 PM »
If your just going to point out stuff that has been covered in the FAQ you're not going to convince anyone.

Stick to the topic. You can't convince them of anything, or at least I don't know I'm excluding from the list.
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2010, 01:26:02 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?
lolno.
The bigger the sphere,the less you are going to notice any curve.Also any scientist worth thier salt knows that your eyes aren't the end all be all to discovering how the world is.Thats what tools are for.

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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2010, 01:27:29 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?
lolno.
The bigger the sphere,the less you are going to notice any curve.Also any scientist worth thier salt knows that your eyes aren't the end all be all to discovering how the world is.Thats what tools are for.

Note: These tools could be manipulated by NASA, therefore not evidence.
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2010, 02:21:03 PM »
My time on this board has shown me what is not considered valid evidence by the FE'ers.

1) Physical witnesses
    * NASA could be faking news stories or paying people to say they've 'been there'. In other words, they're in on it.
2) Eye witnesses
    * NASA could have the neccesary technology to manipulate your very own eyes.
3) Photos
    * NASA could have the neccesary technology to create anything in the form of a photo.
4) Videos
    * NASA could have the neccesary technology to create anything in the form of a video.
5) Methods requiring money
    * You can't expect anyone to build their own device or take a trip around the world, it would simply cost too much.
6) Equipment
    * NASA could have the necessary technology to distort independent devices made by anyone.

What can be accepted then?

You can't rely on your senses, primarily sight(touch, smell, taste and hearing is not really relevant). You can't rely on other equipment either to prove it for you.

Disclaimer: NASA is used interchangeable with "the conspiracy"

primarily, because that would prove them wrong. They started with the premise that the earth is flat,
 so therefore any evidence against this would have to be falsified aka the conspiracy. These are not
scientific theories because they are impervious to change. If you gave them 20 million dollars to go
into outer space, they would either a). claim Nasa druged them, b) say the person to go into space was adopted into the conspiracy,
or c)lie and make up a new reason why what they saw is a flat earth


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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2010, 02:32:21 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2010, 02:37:50 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.
So than you concede his point that there is no evidence you will accept, and rather than answer the question posed in the first post, you would rather derail the thread and try to convince up that the air around, is not clear, which we can all observe.  And that is how FlyingO123 said we could prove something.

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2010, 02:40:12 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.
So than you concede his point that there is no evidence you will accept, and rather than answer the question posed in the first post, you would rather derail the thread and try to convince up that the air around, is not clear, which we can all observe.  And that is how FlyingO123 said we could prove something.
I was just giving TD some information about why he may have difficulties seeing past the English Channel.

Flat earthers are just as willing to except evidence that goes against their beliefs as anyone else.  Perhaps more-so.  Making statements like the OP is clearly just prejudice against flat earthers.
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2010, 03:09:06 PM »
OP has a point. If every scientific hypothesis was put under the same scrutiny that RET is put under by FE'rs, we would know NOTHING, since there would always be a possibility of some conspiracy manipulating every observed phenomenon. Science relies on trust within its community to function.

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2010, 03:12:10 PM »
No other scientific theory has such damning everyday visual evidence experienced by every single one of us counting against it. Of course there is a stronger burden of proof on something as counter-intuitive as RET than there is for something like the theory of radio waves.

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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2010, 03:16:08 PM »
The way JD uses words like "prejudice" and "bigot" (which he called me a few times) is really rather funny.  It's like he thinks we're trying to get FEers to use separate water fountains or something.  The way they make believe their side has as much scientific evidence as the opposition is laughable as well.  It must be such fun to play pretend like they do.

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2010, 03:33:40 PM »
No other scientific theory has such damning everyday visual evidence experienced by every single one of us counting against it. Of course there is a stronger burden of proof on something as counter-intuitive as RET than there is for something like the theory of radio waves.

No, this is not about which competing hypothesis is intuitive. Look; there is everyday visual evidence that solid bodies are indeed dense impenetrable objects. Yet we know today that this is an illusion of repulsive electromagnetic forces and that solid bodies are actually composed of atoms which are themselves mostly made of empty space, a fluctuating quantum vacuum of electromagnetic and (negligible) gravitational fields. That view is not intuitive AT ALL, and yet everyone accepts it today. Why? Because the intuitive view is the NAIVE view, and expert evidence points toward the atomic view. Intuition is not always correct.

Intuition tells us immediately that the earth is flat, that the universe is static, that there are no other galaxies, that the sun goes around the earth, and that there are no atoms, and that special relativity and quantum mechanics are bull. But that is because intuition is often the naive point of view, and so it is not some kind of Occam's Razor, like as if you're supposed to pick the best explanation that is consistent with intuition.

Intuition is not at all the epistemological standard we should hold ourselves to. We should look for which hypothesis has the stronger evidence. There is no contradictory evidence against RET, since the earth looks exactly like it should if it were a 4000 mile radius spheroid. People HAVE orbited the earth and report that it indeed looks like a ball when viewed from an altitude high enough that their standpoint was not a naive one. This is very, very, very, very, very, very strong evidence that the earth is round. And so to accept RET's falsehood you must DENY the evidence for a round earth. But why not then deny everything else that is counter-intuitive? e.g. atoms.

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2010, 03:44:52 PM »
Atomic theory is just a theory and is accepted as such, a good way of making predictions based on a useful framework rather than an approximation of truth. RET is exactly the same thing a theory, but somewhere along the way people have got confused and started treating it as a descriptiton of the world.

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« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2010, 03:53:45 PM »
Atomic theory is just a theory and is accepted as such, a good way of making predictions based on a useful framework rather than an approximation of truth. RET is exactly the same thing a theory, but somewhere along the way people have got confused and started treating it as a descriptiton of the world.

Because we have these -



And actual scientific explainations for a great amount of the things that occur on the round Earth (like magnetism). FES has failed spectacularly to even describe why gravity doesn't effect us. Not to mention that any attempt to claim "conspirasa!" is just down right ridiculous (as I've shown many times). Every day there are new challenges to the laughable FET, and every day - a failure for the FES. You have no proof, you can't justify anything really, and several instances have been brought up against the FET - many of which have no been dispelled in the slightest sense.

Its actually quite sad and fuels my belief that the majority of FE'ers are either simply delusional, insane, or just doing it for the Lolz.
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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2010, 03:56:04 PM »
A theory is made of numerous facts and is able to make accurate and precise predictions.  What accurate and precise predictions can be made with FE"T"?  It's become rather clear that FEers use nothing but hindsight.  They look at a phenomenon, make up an entirely new force that governs only that, then move onto the next thing.  They tie nothing together and make no predictions.

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2010, 04:58:20 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.
I can see the North Downs and they are the same distance away as France, they just stick up a little more. Air density is not the reason. Ask any pilot who understands visibility.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2010, 05:51:59 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.

I can see the North Downs and they are the same distance away as France, they just stick up a little more. Air density is not the reason. Ask any pilot who understands visibility.

Predicted FES response - You're lying, you're unreliable, or you don't understand air density.

The community at large rather predictable.
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2010, 09:15:03 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.

I can see the North Downs and they are the same distance away as France, they just stick up a little more. Air density is not the reason. Ask any pilot who understands visibility.

Predicted FES response - You're lying, you're unreliable, or you don't understand air density.

The community at large rather predictable.
If distance is not the issue, then obviously it has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth as one would expect them to "drop" an equal amount (assuming you were right).
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2010, 10:34:16 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.
see
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/air

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2010, 10:40:15 PM »
Flat earthers are just as willing to except evidence that goes against their beliefs as anyone else.  Perhaps more-so.  Making statements like the OP is clearly just prejudice against flat earthers.

Perhaps you should address the OP then, instead of making they snide remarks that contributes nothing. Perhaps you should even say which point I can take out of my list, or maybe add?
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2010, 10:43:03 PM »
No other scientific theory has such damning everyday visual evidence experienced by every single one of us counting against it. Of course there is a stronger burden of proof on something as counter-intuitive as RET than there is for something like the theory of radio waves.


judging by the fact that at least 4 billion people know the earth to be flat, (number adjusted for infants, uneducated, and demented)
I'd say that not every single one of us count against it. And even if it were counter intuitive doesn't mean its wrong, for that would be an Argumentum ad ignorantiam. Stop trying the argumentum ad populum, because most of the world undoubtedly believes the earth to be round. The current theory, which has been proven throughout science is that the earth is round, therefore burden of proof is upon you. Even if it wasn't, we have over 9000 items of proof for you, so as you can see, you're in a catch 22

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2010, 10:53:41 PM »
Atomic theory is just a theory and is accepted as such, a good way of making predictions based on a useful framework rather than an approximation of truth. RET is exactly the same thing a theory, but somewhere along the way people have got confused and started treating it as a description of the world.

No.
firstly RET is not a theory. It is a well established phenomena for which there is no exact name. even if it was a theory a quick google of the phrase scientific theory will result in you knowing that saying something is "just a theory" is actually a plus for said theory's accuracy.

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2010, 07:13:46 AM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.

I can see the North Downs and they are the same distance away as France, they just stick up a little more. Air density is not the reason. Ask any pilot who understands visibility.

Predicted FES response - You're lying, you're unreliable, or you don't understand air density.

The community at large rather predictable.
If distance is not the issue, then obviously it has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth as one would expect them to "drop" an equal amount (assuming you were right).

The North Downs are a range of hills. They stick up enough to be visible. The bases of them are probably not the PART i SEE. fRANCE DOES NOT STICK UP SO MUCH..


sorry this computer doesnt let me see what I'm typing I have to type blind. I was unable to see I had caps on and could not edit it.
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Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2010, 03:22:26 PM »
I'm surprised no FE went forward to protest the list. Apparently I'm right. FE's accept absolutely no evidence.
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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2010, 08:23:08 PM »
how about you own eyes every second of every day confirming that the thing your walking on is in fact flat?

My eyes tell me it's not flat. If it were flat I'd be able to see the coast of France over the English Channel from my house. And I can't. Therefore, for whatever reason, it doesn't look flat. Next.
Air isn't clear.


looks clear to me. Can anyone here see air?

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Re: FE'ers don't accept anything
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2010, 12:11:29 AM »
Let's pretend we can't even see 2 feet in front of us.
We can still prove the earth is round using air-penetrating radar!  ::)