Regarding Saddam's ban.

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Benjamin Franklin

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Regarding Saddam's ban.
« on: April 28, 2010, 08:36:05 PM »
It's bullshit. Mods, you're overreacting.

That is all.

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Roundy the Truthinessist

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 08:44:23 PM »
I'm sorry you feel that way.  I think if you'll stop and think rationally about it, you'll realize it was entirely justified.

He's been unbanned, by the way.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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theonlydann

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2010, 03:25:36 AM »
Could he be re-banned please? Otherwise i will feel like you guys aren't doing your jerbs.

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2010, 04:45:30 AM »

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Lord Wilmore

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 08:42:01 AM »
He was dumb, and Roundy was right to give him a short ban. We've managed to put all the CN/RM drama behind us, so I think it would be crazy to let people get away with this kind of petty rule-testing, because a point will come where someone goes too far, and we'll end up having to draw a line in the sand and ban them for a long time. Nobody wants that.
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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2010, 11:31:14 AM »
WHAT DID SADDAM DO AND HOW DID I MISS IT?  ;D

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2010, 12:59:43 PM »
WHAT DID SADDAM DO AND HOW DID I MISS IT?  ;D
THIS
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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 01:52:18 PM »
He necro'd an old thread with racist jokes in it.  They should have just moved the thread to their hidden forum and told Saddam not to do that anymore (IMO).  It wasn't a big deal.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Eddy Baby

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 02:21:52 PM »
It sounds to me completely like rule-testing.

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Space Cowgirl

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 04:35:15 PM »
I hope FES doesn't get that anal over rules.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010, 04:47:04 PM »
It was Saddam being Saddam and posting a Saddam-like joke. I agree with SCG, completely.

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Roundy the Truthinessist

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2010, 07:51:05 PM »
He necro'd an old thread with racist jokes in it.  They should have just moved the thread to their hidden forum and told Saddam not to do that anymore (IMO).  It wasn't a big deal.

It wasn't a big deal; that's why it was only a 3-day ban. 

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*Racism and Hate Speech
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-DO NOT post anything ironically, satirically, humorously, or blatantly racist in nature. Hate speech of any kind is forbidden.

I think it's clear Saddam knew what he was doing here.  Am I expected to give him a free pass?  Why?  Because he's a long-time member?  In my opinion, that makes the offense all the worse.  Because he might have "misinterpreted the rules"?  I don't believe that for a second.

For the record, he didn't just necro an old thread with racist jokes in it.  If he had just done that, I probably wouldn't have even noticed it, and even if I had I wouldn't have banned him for it.  He made a new post containing one of the racist jokes from the thread, with the n-word in it. 

He knew what he was doing.  I knew what he was doing.  I'm sure everybody who saw it knew what he was doing.  It was flagrant and intentional disobedience of the rules (we have those now, remember?) and I gave him the minimum ban for it.  Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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theonlydann

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2010, 03:15:46 AM »
I agree Roundy and i 100% support any decision to ban Moobs.

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2010, 06:50:38 AM »
Why hasn't Saddam's ban been lengthened for using an alt?

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2010, 07:53:16 AM »
More importantly, why continue to use the alt when it has been outed? 

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2010, 08:41:22 AM »
Don't give the mods more reason to flex their e-peens.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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theonlydann

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2010, 09:09:21 AM »
Saddam had no reason to use an Alt. Permaban him. Now. His ban was justified and his use of an alt was not.

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2010, 03:04:37 PM »
Saddam had no reason to use an Alt. Permaban him. Now. His ban was justified and his use of an alt was not.
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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2010, 08:39:45 AM »
I am back.  Look, the thing about the alt was that I assumed that the ban was some kind of a fluke from an overzealous mod.  I thought that when I explained the situation (again, no one was of any help on IRC) the ban would be seen as unjustified and lifted.  Of course, I had no idea that the mods would be so firmly devoted to their policies of "Never speak ill of a fellow mod; always claim that every mod decision is fully supported" that they would defend such a stupid ban.  Then again, considering how long it took them to agree that Hara was a terrible mod and needed to be removed, maybe I should have foreseen that.  Anyway, I appreciate not getting banned for that.

Anyway, what I don't understand about this ban is that IT WAS A QUOTE.  Is this really the new policy?  Quoting someone makes you fully responsible and liable for whatever is in the quote?  If that's the case, then 90% of this forum should be banned, along with virtually every single mod.  How many times have the mods quoted someone to give them a warning, or announce that they were getting banned?

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2010, 08:53:58 AM »
Using an alt to access the forums while being banned is against the rules. Saddam should be banned.

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2010, 09:00:49 AM »
Using an alt to access the forums while being banned is against the rules. Saddam should be banned.
Lurk moar, newfag. Past precedent states it is okay.

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Roundy the Truthinessist

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2010, 10:49:58 AM »
I am back.  Look, the thing about the alt was that I assumed that the ban was some kind of a fluke from an overzealous mod.  I thought that when I explained the situation (again, no one was of any help on IRC) the ban would be seen as unjustified and lifted.  Of course, I had no idea that the mods would be so firmly devoted to their policies of "Never speak ill of a fellow mod; always claim that every mod decision is fully supported" that they would defend such a stupid ban.  Then again, considering how long it took them to agree that Hara was a terrible mod and needed to be removed, maybe I should have foreseen that.  Anyway, I appreciate not getting banned for that.

That's right, I am an overzealous mod, drunk with power.  Isn't that obvious?  My banhammer knows no mercy, no bounds, no logic or reason.  I'm sure you can find dozens of examples where I've abused my power, right?

Or... maybe you just broke the rules.  You quoted a post from 2009 in a long-dead thread that contained forbidden language.  You did it for no other reason than to attempt to break the rules without (according to your weird logic) actually breaking the rules.  Or... maybe you were just testing the rules?  If so, well done.  Now everybody knows what will happen in the future if they take your lead.

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So, apparently this ban is telling me that anyone who quotes a post is instantly liable for anything said in that post.  Does that really sound like anything other than a crock of shit to you?

Not at all.  As I see it, you put a new post on the forums containing that language, again, from a post that's nearly a year old and existed when the rules were much more lax.  Take a look at the rules again.  It strictly forbids using such language on the forums.  By quoting that post, you used that language on the forums.  I don't believe for a second that you're not grasping this.

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For explicit pictures, maybe, but a post of solely text, in the same thread?

Why exactly do you think there should be a distinction there?

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Anyway, what I don't understand about this ban is that IT WAS A QUOTE.  Is this really the new policy?  Quoting someone makes you fully responsible and liable for whatever is in the quote?  If that's the case, then 90% of this forum should be banned, along with virtually every single mod.  How many times have the mods quoted someone to give them a warning, or announce that they were getting banned?

Are you really trying to argue this?  Really?  I know you see the difference between quoting a nearly year-old post purely for the sake of mischief and quoting a post that's maybe a couple hours old purely for the sake of warning against posting in that manner in the future.

I really hope you can get over this with me, because I didn't enjoy banning you.  I felt it was the appropriate action.  I'll allow for the possibility that it was a rash action in which you momentarily misinterpreted the rules, but I find it hard to believe that you can't see the reasoning behind it.

For Christ's sake, it was a minimum ban
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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2010, 11:08:13 AM »
Using an alt to access the forums while being banned is against the rules. Saddam should be banned.
Lurk moar, newfag. Past precedent states it is okay.
It's only justifiable when Dann has been unjustly banned. Which has happened like 4 times.

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Saddam Hussein

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2010, 11:36:47 AM »
Where in the rules does it say that quoting a new post that breaks the rules is okay, but not an old one?

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2010, 02:22:31 PM »
"Never speak ill of a fellow mod; always claim that every mod decision is fully supported"

Saddam, you forgot that only applies as long as the fellow mod is an FET proponent. Otherwise, it's "Pull all the stops on that Globularist pig!".

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2010, 02:24:33 PM »
Hara is a racist.

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2010, 03:38:46 PM »
Where in the rules does it say that quoting a new post that breaks the rules is okay, but not an old one?


The rules say you should not "post anything ironically, satirically, humorously, or blatantly racist in nature". You made the post, so you're responsible for its content. Simple as that.


I'm not defending Roundy because of some 'hold the line' attitude. As you well know we've been perfectly happy to break ranks in the past, including (if you remember) when Hara banned you. I just think Roundy made the right call.
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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2010, 04:42:00 PM »
Lol, I had honestly forgotten about that.  Anyway, I can't stay mad at you guys forever.  You're just too lovable.  It won't happen again.

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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2010, 05:47:58 AM »
Awwwww geez =)
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Re: Regarding Saddam's ban.
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2010, 06:07:27 AM »
thread needs moar hate