Holes in RET - Post them FEers

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Lorddave

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Holes in RET - Post them FEers
« on: April 27, 2010, 02:55:43 PM »
Yep, I want you to post all holes you see the Round Earth Theory.

The current list posted:

Dark Matter isn't properly explained.
NASA hasn't sent humans to Mars yet.


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Re: Holes in RET - Post them FEers
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 02:56:56 PM »
If the Earth were round, people in Australia would all be upside-down!  They'd have to tether themselves to the ground to keep from falling off!

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 04:46:17 PM »
If the Earth were round, people in Australia would all be upside-down!  They'd have to tether themselves to the ground to keep from falling off!

Serious posts please...
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2010, 05:10:27 PM »
If the Earth were round, people in Australia would all be upside-down!  They'd have to tether themselves to the ground to keep from falling off!

No, they wouldn't because of gravity. So stop being a retard
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 05:12:50 PM »
I was being facetious.  On this forum, it's understandably difficult to tell a joke from an actual crazy belief.  Considering the FE'ers don't believe in gravity, I figured I'd go ahead and get out the first thing I predicted they'd say.

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 06:28:04 PM »
I was being facetious.  On this forum, it's understandably difficult to tell a joke from an actual crazy belief.  Considering the FE'ers don't believe in gravity, I figured I'd go ahead and get out the first thing I predicted they'd say.

Sorrrry. Its just because you'd think that the crap they believe in is a joke, but its not, so you can't joke. Ever. Period.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 06:38:54 PM »
Oh and If I don't get any serious FE responses in 2 days, I will declare that FET is much less likely than RET, cementing my victory over FET.

Then there will be cake.  Round Cake!
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2010, 05:32:02 AM »
*Whistling.* Hm, no responses.  ???
That would be a simulation of the fabric of space-time bending back upon itself

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2010, 12:44:33 PM »
Oh and If I don't get any serious FE responses in 2 days, I will declare that FET is much less likely than RET, cementing my victory over FET.

Then there will be cake.  Round Cake!

PIE, YOU FOOL!

Well..... ah......yeah.... this is.... going well for FES.
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Re: Holes in RET - Post them FEers
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2010, 01:13:17 PM »
Gravity.
The impossibility of space exploration.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 03:35:52 PM »
Gravity.
The impossibility of space exploration.
Difficult, not impossible.
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2010, 03:45:54 PM »
Gravity.
The impossibility of space exploration.
Difficult, not impossible.

Indeed, it only needs to be overcome with something of this nature -

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2010, 03:48:55 PM »
Gravitation does not diminish with altitude.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2010, 04:00:21 PM »
Gravitation does not diminish with altitude.
Fortreana


Correct!
The effect of gravity from a specific source, however, does change with distance.
 ;D

Gravity.
The impossibility of space exploration.

Why?
If I can jump up that means that Gravity can be overcome.  The harder I push down, the higher I jump.  Thus, all I need is enough thrust and I can overcome gravity for a long period of time.  And if the equations are accurate, gravity's effect on an object decreases with distance.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2010, 04:06:20 PM »
Gravity.
The impossibility of space exploration.
Difficult, not impossible.

Indeed, it only needs to be overcome with something of this nature -



Gravity and space exploration are two separate problems. If we've put so many robots on Mars, why not people? Why no attempts for further afield? Given that you don't need more fuel when you're in space there's no reason not to.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2010, 04:11:30 PM »
Gravity.
The impossibility of space exploration.
Difficult, not impossible.

Indeed, it only needs to be overcome with something of this nature -



Gravity and space exploration are two separate problems. If we've put so many robots on Mars, why not people? Why no attempts for further afield? Given that you don't need more fuel when you're in space there's no reason not to.

There are two reasons.
The first being cost and benefit.  The cost is significant.  The benefit is nothing more than fame and that won't get us far.
The second issue is that robots and people eat different things.  Robots can eat solar energy.  Humans need something a bit more solid.  Not to mention you'd have to have a crew of people in a smallish space for months at a time with no decent contact with anyone else.  Even being on a submarine isn't nearly as bad since you can stop at port and you have a lot more crew to talk to.

But yeah: robots have very few needs compared to Humans.  Sure we could do it but could we do it well enough to be almost certain that no one would die?
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2010, 04:13:23 PM »
So you're saying the problem is that we haven't mastered food storage technology, or long-distance communication?
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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2010, 04:13:39 PM »
Explain Dark Matter.
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2010, 04:16:08 PM »
So you're saying the problem is that we haven't mastered food storage technology, or long-distance communication?

Nope.
I'm saying that We'd have to pack enough food for 2 years (give or take), enough water for 2 years (with recycling), deal with the time delay as we get farther and farther out, bring some kind of habitat that will function without a problem for 6 months, bring enough spare parts in case something goes wrong, and have a crew that's psychologically capable of dealing with the same 4 people for 2 years confined in what could be considered a small house.

Oh and we have to pay for it.


Expalin Dark Matter.
What does Dark Matter have to do with the shape of the Earth? 
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2010, 04:19:57 PM »
Whoa, whoa. We need to get two years worth of food/water and working equipment? And find astronauts that like each other?

This is a truly vast expense! Why, NASA would need to save up for a whole hour to get this!
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2010, 04:23:00 PM »
Expalin Dark Matter.
What does Dark Matter have to do with the shape of the Earth? 
It has to do with Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Do you claim that RET has nothing to do with the theory of gravitation?

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2010, 04:30:39 PM »
Whoa, whoa. We need to get two years worth of food/water and working equipment? And find astronauts that like each other?

This is a truly vast expense! Why, NASA would need to save up for a whole hour to get this!
Oh purchasing the supplies aren't the problem.  Tell me, how big of a storage area would you need to store all that?



Expalin Dark Matter.
What does Dark Matter have to do with the shape of the Earth? 
It has to do with Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Do you claim that RET has nothing to do with the theory of gravitation?

Well since Dark Matter really only applies when you try to answer why the universe is expanding I fail to see why it applies to the shape of the Earth.  Round or Flat Dark Matter would have to exist if the Universe was accelerating in it's expansion.  And since observations by astronomers are ground based on this, the shape of the planet, again, doesn't factor in.

However if you want me to explain it, I'm afraid I can't because I don't have that information.  I'm a computer expert, not an astrophysicist.
I will point you to the Wiki though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2010, 04:33:05 PM »
Whoa, whoa. We need to get two years worth of food/water and working equipment? And find astronauts that like each other?

This is a truly vast expense! Why, NASA would need to save up for a whole hour to get this!
Oh purchasing the supplies aren't the problem.  Tell me, how big of a storage area would you need to store all that?

That's why taking 2 years worth of food is a stupid idea.  The better solution is to grow most of the food during the mission.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2010, 04:34:17 PM »
Expalin Dark Matter.
What does Dark Matter have to do with the shape of the Earth? 
It has to do with Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Do you claim that RET has nothing to do with the theory of gravitation?

Well since Dark Matter really only applies when you try to answer why the universe is expanding I fail to see why it applies to the shape of the Earth.  Round or Flat Dark Matter would have to exist if the Universe was accelerating in it's expansion.  And since observations by astronomers are ground based on this, the shape of the planet, again, doesn't factor in.
Dark Matter has nothing to do with the supposed expansion of the Universe. Try again.

However if you want me to explain it, I'm afraid I can't because I don't have that information.  I'm a computer expert, not an astrophysicist.
I will point you to the Wiki though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter
Why don't you try reading it yourself. Also:
Yep, I want you to post all holes you see the Round Earth Theory.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2010, 04:46:42 PM »
I am not discussing the issues I posted with RET.  I was under the assumption that you were compiling a list.

Gravitation does not dimension with altitude ( obviously altitude above the earth.)  RET claims it does.
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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2010, 04:50:26 PM »
Whoa, whoa. We need to get two years worth of food/water and working equipment? And find astronauts that like each other?

This is a truly vast expense! Why, NASA would need to save up for a whole hour to get this!
Oh purchasing the supplies aren't the problem.  Tell me, how big of a storage area would you need to store all that?

That's why taking 2 years worth of food is a stupid idea.  The better solution is to grow most of the food during the mission.

Shh, this is fun.

So the problem is real estate? Can't they knock through a wall and get a fuel tank extension? Since these robots can be powered by sunshine and unicorn farts, surely we can make a similar rocket that can overcome the gravity you understand so well but are yet, as a community, to explain.

EDIT: And this would make more room for this pantry/hydroponic farm, maybe a pool table too.
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2010, 04:52:58 PM »
I still don't understand what Dark Matter has to do with the shape of the Earth but ok, I'll count it.

And also count it for Flat Earth since gravity exists there too.


I am not discussing the issues I posted with RET.  I was under the assumption that you were compiling a list.

Gravitation does not dimension with altitude ( obviously altitude above the earth.)  RET claims it does.

I kinda am but so far the list is... well it's vague at best.
Both are gravity based and Dark Matter doesn't seem to apply to the Earth's shape directly.  Indirectly perhaps but not directly.
Oh and we have "Why aren't we at Mars" which, again, is Shape independent.

And please explain what you mean by gravitation.  Do you mean the force of Gravity on an object doesn't change with altitude?  Or that gravity exists?

Whoa, whoa. We need to get two years worth of food/water and working equipment? And find astronauts that like each other?

This is a truly vast expense! Why, NASA would need to save up for a whole hour to get this!
Oh purchasing the supplies aren't the problem.  Tell me, how big of a storage area would you need to store all that?

That's why taking 2 years worth of food is a stupid idea.  The better solution is to grow most of the food during the mission.

Shh, this is fun.

So the problem is real estate? Can't they knock through a wall and get a fuel tank extension? Since these robots can be powered by sunshine and unicorn farts, surely we can make a similar rocket that can overcome the gravity you understand so well but are yet, as a community, to explain.

EDIT: And this would make more room for this pantry/hydroponic farm, maybe a pool table too.

I'm not understanding your question here.  Are you asking why they can't make a space ship the size of a small office building?
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2010, 05:00:00 PM »
As I recall we've been doing that for decades. Unless there's been some miniaturization breakthrough while my back was turned.
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2010, 05:09:23 PM »
One cannot measure a difference in g at higher altitudes when one considers local geography.
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2010, 06:48:25 PM »
One cannot measure a difference in g at higher altitudes when one considers local geography.
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