# The Lie Theory

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#### Sliver

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##### The Lie Theory
« on: April 26, 2010, 07:54:56 PM »
I've been thinking about the whole "Flat Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is snowballing on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the FES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is flat.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the FES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "Flat Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

#### Lorddave

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2010, 08:00:21 PM »
I disagree.
I feel it's a belief.  A belief isn't a lie because a lie is intentional. And while beliefs can be wrong, they aren't lies because the subject thinks that what they are saying is factual.
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#### Sliver

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2010, 08:05:20 PM »
I disagree.
I feel it's a belief.  A belief isn't a lie because a lie is intentional. And while beliefs can be wrong, they aren't lies because the subject thinks that what they are saying is factual.
I can see your point.  But let's say Joey from out example, doesn't believe he's actually cheating.  He's still making things up to support his original statement.

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#### Ellipsis

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 08:07:26 PM »
Then again, when people write books trying to propagate things they know to be false (generally for financial gain or fame of some level), I would consider that a lie.  Side note: I'm still eagerly awaiting an FE person's thoughts on that magnetism thread.

#### Pongo

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 12:13:29 AM »
I've been thinking about the whole "Flat Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is snowballing on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the FES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is flat.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the FES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "Flat Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

ctrl + a
ctrl + c
alt + tab (to an open notepad)
ctrl + v
ctrl + h
type "flat" into the first box and "round" into the second.
enter

Congratulations, you've just done a find/replace and completely invalidated your argument.

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#### flyingmonkey

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 01:29:16 AM »
ctrl + a
ctrl + c
alt + tab (to an open notepad)
ctrl + v
ctrl + h
type "flat" into the first box and "round" into the second.
enter

Congratulations, you've just done a find/replace and completely invalidated your argument.

You forget FES in there

Also:
RE doesn't have antimoons, conspiracy, ice wall and the sun as a spotlight.

Failmore.

#### Pongo

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 04:03:48 AM »
ctrl + a
ctrl + c
alt + tab (to an open notepad)
ctrl + v
ctrl + h
type "flat" into the first box and "round" into the second.
enter

Congratulations, you've just done a find/replace and completely invalidated your argument.

You forget FES in there

Also:
RE doesn't have antimoons, conspiracy, ice wall and the sun as a spotlight.

Failmore.

Did you take my example literally and actually go through the post finding anything that didn't sync up?  It's okay, objective thinking isn't for everyone.  Some people have to dig our ditches and fry our burgers.

#### Sliver

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2010, 07:38:25 AM »
I've been thinking about the whole "Flat Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is snowballing on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the FES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is flat.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the FES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "Flat Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

ctrl + a
ctrl + c
alt + tab (to an open notepad)
ctrl + v
ctrl + h
type "flat" into the first box and "round" into the second.
enter

Congratulations, you've just done a find/replace and completely invalidated your argument.

You must have missed this sentence I just highlighted for you.  Until your little club and provide the physical evidence to back up your claims, you're just making shit up.

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#### flyingmonkey

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2010, 09:19:17 AM »
Did you take my example literally and actually go through the post finding anything that didn't sync up?

Oh, so you FE'ers can, but I'm not allowed to?

Wow, hypocrisymore.

#### Sliver

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 05:24:29 AM »
Hm, Pongo is the only FE'er trying to say my "Lie Theory" is wrong.  I figured John Davis and James would have been all over this.  Especially James, since he seems to be the one who makes up the most outrageous BS.

#### Pongo

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2010, 05:41:42 AM »
Hm, Pongo is the only FE'er trying to say my "Lie Theory" is wrong.  I figured John Davis and James would have been all over this.  Especially James, since he seems to be the one who makes up the most outrageous BS.

They didn't argue with you because you don't have any substance in your post.  If you had posted an intellectual argument with some weight behind it, they would have been over over this thread.  However, all you did was say, "Flat Earth is false because you all are lying and make it all up."  It's not a very compelling argument.

#### Catchpa

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2010, 06:50:17 AM »
Hm, Pongo is the only FE'er trying to say my "Lie Theory" is wrong.  I figured John Davis and James would have been all over this.  Especially James, since he seems to be the one who makes up the most outrageous BS.

They didn't argue with you because you don't have any substance in your post.  If you had posted an intellectual argument with some weight behind it, they would have been over over this thread.  However, all you did was say, "Flat Earth is false because you all are lying and make it all up."  It's not a very compelling argument.

Neither is saying light bends, though no FE's believe it anyway. That leaves a huge gap in the hypothesis.
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#### TheSphericalist

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2010, 02:16:56 PM »
I disagree.
I feel it's a belief.  A belief isn't a lie because a lie is intentional. And while beliefs can be wrong, they aren't lies because the subject thinks that what they are saying is factual.

It's either a theory or a belief, it can't be both.  Theories hold some truth with no belief holding it together.  Belief is simply faith.

#### Lorddave

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2010, 05:13:04 PM »
I disagree.
I feel it's a belief.  A belief isn't a lie because a lie is intentional. And while beliefs can be wrong, they aren't lies because the subject thinks that what they are saying is factual.

It's either a theory or a belief, it can't be both.  Theories hold some truth with no belief holding it together.  Belief is simply faith.

Which should tell you what I think of the "theory"...
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#### Ellipsis

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2010, 05:36:35 PM »
If you had posted an intellectual argument with some weight behind it, they would have been over over this thread.

Not really.  I made such a thread many days ago and have yet to hear an argument.

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#### TheSphericalist

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2010, 05:40:39 PM »
I disagree.
I feel it's a belief.  A belief isn't a lie because a lie is intentional. And while beliefs can be wrong, they aren't lies because the subject thinks that what they are saying is factual.

It's either a theory or a belief, it can't be both.  Theories hold some truth with no belief holding it together.  Belief is simply faith.

Which should tell you what I think of the "theory"...

As well as the "Flat Earth Theory".

#### Lorddave

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2010, 06:19:38 PM »
I disagree.
I feel it's a belief.  A belief isn't a lie because a lie is intentional. And while beliefs can be wrong, they aren't lies because the subject thinks that what they are saying is factual.

It's either a theory or a belief, it can't be both.  Theories hold some truth with no belief holding it together.  Belief is simply faith.

Which should tell you what I think of the "theory"...

As well as the "Flat Earth Theory".

No, not as well.  I was referring to the Flat Earth Theory.
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#### Thevoiceofreason

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2010, 07:57:58 PM »
I think some people are either trolling, or are either very unfortunately delusional

#### Lorddave

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2010, 09:04:42 PM »
I think some people are either trolling, or are either very unfortunately delusional

Yep.
That's the reality of this forum.  When you realize this, everything becomes fun instead of frustrating.
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#### three-dimensional-world

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2010, 05:04:07 AM »
I've been thinking about the whole "Flat Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is snowballing on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the FES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is flat.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the FES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "Flat Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

I've been thinking about the whole "round Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is
snowballing
[/u][/i][/size][/size][/font] on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the RES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is round.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the RES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the RES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The RES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "round Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

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#### Sliver

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2010, 07:59:55 AM »
I've been thinking about the whole "Flat Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is snowballing on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the FES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is flat.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the FES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "Flat Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

I've been thinking about the whole "round Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is
snowballing
[/u][/i][/size][/size][/font] on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the RES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is round.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the RES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the RES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The RES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "round Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

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Emphasis mine.
Not sure which side of the debate you're on, but Pongo tried this a few posts earlier.  The problem with this swap is that there are numerous ways that a round Earth can be proven without having to make shit up. You know, like the antimoon, the ice wall, birds pushing airliners, the FES map... oh wait, you don't have one.  See the point?  The whole FET reminds me of when a little kid tells a story.  They start off with one detail, then they add all this other stuff to make the first detail work.  Just making it up as they go along.

#### three-dimensional-world

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##### Re: The Lie Theory
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2010, 09:40:52 AM »
I've been thinking about the whole "Flat Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is snowballing on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the FES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is flat.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the FES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "Flat Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

I've been thinking about the whole "round Earth Theory", and it dawned on me.  It's a lie!  Let me explain how I came to this conclusion.

When someone tells a lie, they are then burdened with the task of convincing others that their lie is actually truth.  Then, as the people he is trying to convince find fault with the lie, the liar is forced come up with more lies to help support the first one.  Let's move on to the example.

Joey goes out and cheats on his wife.  His wife asks him why he's 3 hours late getting home from work.  Joey tells the first lie and says, "I was working late, honey."  Now, he has to convince her that this is true.  He adds some details, all lies, to make his working late story appear true.  She buys it.  However, a few days later her friend tells her that she saw Joey at a bar, while he was supposedly working late, having drinks with another woman.  Uh-oh.  Now Joey has to make up another lie to not only convince his wife that we has working late, but also that he was not at the bar with another woman.  He tells her, "It was my twin brother Steve and his girlfriend."  The wife sort of buys it.  But when she asks why she's never met this twin brother, Joey now has to make up a lie the supports the lie about working late, the lie that he wasn't at the bar, AND why his wife has never met his twin brother.  His biggest problem, is he has not one real shred of proof for any of his lies.  The only thing he can use to convince her he speaks the truth, is more lies.

You can see how this is
snowballing
[/u][/i][/size][/size][/font] on our buddy, Joey here.  Now, let's apply this to the RES.

They tell one lie, the Earth is round.  Some buy it, but some question it.  So, they make up a few lies to try to support the first lie.  These would include the ice wall, the bullshit about the sun being a spotlight, and others.  Then as those lies are called into question, they have to come up with more, like bendy light, antimoon, and the "conspiracy".  You can see how this is snowballing on the little club?  What makes it worse for the RES, is that it's not just one person making up the lies, it's a group.  And they are not all keeping track of each others bullshit.

Now, how do I know that it's the RES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The RES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

So, there you have it, the "round Earth Theory" is nothing more than a lie.

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Not sure which side of the debate you're on, but Pongo tried this a few posts earlier.  The problem with this swap is that there are numerous ways that a round Earth can be proven without having to make shit up. You know, like the antimoon, the ice wall, birds pushing airliners, the FES map... oh wait, you don't have one.  See the point?  The whole FET reminds me of when a little kid tells a story.  They start off with one detail, then they add all this other stuff to make the first detail work.  Just making it up as they go along.

I'm on the side of truth flat or round, what is KNOWN is that it is 3 dimensional.

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#### General Disarray

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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2010, 11:09:27 PM »
Rather than a lie, I submit that FET is in fact a conspiracy!

Q: "What is the motive behind this Conspiracy?"

A: Although their main objective can only be speculated upon, the most favored theory is that of financial gain.  In a nutshell, FES claim that they have no money to perform their own research, and their strategy is to frustrate their opponents to the point where they send money to fund their 'experiments' just to shut them up.

Brilliant, right?
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#### Parsifal

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2010, 04:58:47 AM »
Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

Please choose one feature unique to RET and prove that it is true. Any one you wish. I challenge you.
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#### Thevoiceofreason

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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2010, 10:18:06 AM »
Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

Please choose one feature unique to RET and prove that it is true. Any one you wish. I challenge you.

Feature: Gravitational time dilation
Evidence: Atomic clocks on planes must be set differently than those on the ground
Source of proof: http://science.jrank.org/pages/618/Atomic-Clock.html
Explanation in RET: gravity pulls harder on things closer to earth
Reason why it can't work with FET: there is no change in gravitational pull with altitude

Feature: Gravitational variance
Evidence: values of g vary with local geography
Source:http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Earth%27s_gravity
Explanation in RET: denser ground means more local gravity, also the equator is buldged
Reasons why it cant work with FET: point A and B accelerate with a difference of d. the distance in height is .5dt2

Feature: Lighting of the Earth
Evidence: Midnight Sun- around the NH winter solstice, antarctica gets 24 hours of light
Source: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/antarctica/page.html
Explanation in RET: the Earth is tilted 23.5 degrees, so antarctica being south-most, points to the sun always
Why FET isnotdoinitrite: take two opposite points on antartica on the FET map. take the points on that diameter. how could the all the points near the circumference see light, but not all of the points on the diameter?

#### markjo

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« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2010, 12:21:40 PM »
Now, how do I know that it's the FES that's lying and not the members of the "conspiracy"?  The FES has no evidence that can prove any of the lies they claim are fact.

Please choose one feature unique to RET and prove that it is true. Any one you wish. I challenge you.

On the day of the equinox, the sun rises almost exactly due east and almost exactly 12 hours later sets almost exactly due west for observers almost anywhere in the world (give or take the polar regions).  You will have an opportunity to verify this for yourself in September.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2010, 12:23:52 PM by markjo »
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#### Parsifal

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« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2010, 01:15:02 PM »
Feature: Gravitational time dilation
Evidence: Atomic clocks on planes must be set differently than those on the ground
Source of proof: http://science.jrank.org/pages/618/Atomic-Clock.html
Explanation in RET: gravity pulls harder on things closer to earth
Reason why it can't work with FET: there is no change in gravitational pull with altitude

Here is what your "proof" has to say on the subject of time dilation:

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Atomic clocks have been used on jet planes and satellites to verify Einstein's theory of relativity, which states that time slows down as the velocity  of one object relative to another increases. Until the advent of atomic clocks that can measure time to within one second in a million years, there was no direct way of accurately measuring the time dilation predicted by Einstein, even at the velocities of space probes. Although these space vehicles reach speeds of 25,000 MPH (40,000 km/h), such a speed is only 0.004% of the speed of light, and it is only at velocities close to the speed of light that time dilation becomes significant.

Sorry, but linking to a website that makes an unverified claim doesn't count as proof for your unverified claim. Furthermore, this can work in FET because a change in gravitational field strength isn't required for the effect to occur.

Feature: Gravitational variance
Evidence: values of g vary with local geography
Source:http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Earth%27s_gravity
Explanation in RET: denser ground means more local gravity, also the equator is buldged
Reasons why it cant work with FET: point A and B accelerate with a difference of d. the distance in height is .5dt2

Once again, linking to a source which repeats your unverified claim doesn't constitute proof, otherwise I can point to the FAQ as proof of FET. Also, this is perfectly compatible with FET because of the varying gravitational influences of the Earth and the stars.

Feature: Lighting of the Earth
Evidence: Midnight Sun- around the NH winter solstice, antarctica gets 24 hours of light
Source: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/antarctica/page.html
Explanation in RET: the Earth is tilted 23.5 degrees, so antarctica being south-most, points to the sun always
Why FET isnotdoinitrite: take two opposite points on antartica on the FET map. take the points on that diameter. how could the all the points near the circumference see light, but not all of the points on the diameter?

Yet again, you have linked to a website that agrees with you but that doesn't actually prove anything. And yet again, there are several theories of how this might be integrated into FET, including my Sky Mirror hypothesis and Wilmore's alternative FE map.

On the day of the equinox, the sun rises almost exactly due east and almost exactly 12 hours later sets almost exactly due west for observers almost anywhere in the world (give or take the polar regions).  You will have an opportunity to verify this for yourself in September.

How can I verify for myself that the Sun exhibits this behaviour "almost anywhere in the world" if I can only be in one location at a time? Also, Wilmore's FE map would account for this behaviour in FET.

In conclusion: none of these four issues is unique to RET and none of these four issues has been proven true. My challenge is still open to anyone who would like to take it up.
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#### markjo

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« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2010, 03:52:07 PM »
On the day of the equinox, the sun rises almost exactly due east and almost exactly 12 hours later sets almost exactly due west for observers almost anywhere in the world (give or take the polar regions).  You will have an opportunity to verify this for yourself in September.

How can I verify for myself that the Sun exhibits this behaviour "almost anywhere in the world" if I can only be in one location at a time?

You're a clever lad, you can figure something out.

Also, Wilmore's FE map would account for this behaviour in FET.

It would?  Care to show how?
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#### Thevoiceofreason

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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2010, 07:14:10 PM »
Feature: Gravitational time dilation
Evidence: Atomic clocks on planes must be set differently than those on the ground
Source of proof: http://science.jrank.org/pages/618/Atomic-Clock.html
Explanation in RET: gravity pulls harder on things closer to earth
Reason why it can't work with FET: there is no change in gravitational pull with altitude

Here is what your "proof" has to say on the subject of time dilation:

Quote
Atomic clocks have been used on jet planes and satellites to verify Einstein's theory of relativity, which states that time slows down as the velocity  of one object relative to another increases. Until the advent of atomic clocks that can measure time to within one second in a million years, there was no direct way of accurately measuring the time dilation predicted by Einstein, even at the velocities of space probes. Although these space vehicles reach speeds of 25,000 MPH (40,000 km/h), such a speed is only 0.004% of the speed of light, and it is only at velocities close to the speed of light that time dilation becomes significant.

Sorry, but linking to a website that makes an unverified claim doesn't count as proof for your unverified claim. Furthermore, this can work in FET because a change in gravitational field strength isn't required for the effect to occur.

Feature: Gravitational variance
Evidence: values of g vary with local geography
Source:http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Earth%27s_gravity
Explanation in RET: denser ground means more local gravity, also the equator is buldged
Reasons why it cant work with FET: point A and B accelerate with a difference of d. the distance in height is .5dt2

Once again, linking to a source which repeats your unverified claim doesn't constitute proof, otherwise I can point to the FAQ as proof of FET. Also, this is perfectly compatible with FET because of the varying gravitational influences of the Earth and the stars.

Feature: Lighting of the Earth
Evidence: Midnight Sun- around the NH winter solstice, antarctica gets 24 hours of light
Source: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/antarctica/page.html
Explanation in RET: the Earth is tilted 23.5 degrees, so antarctica being south-most, points to the sun always
Why FET isnotdoinitrite: take two opposite points on antartica on the FET map. take the points on that diameter. how could the all the points near the circumference see light, but not all of the points on the diameter?

Yet again, you have linked to a website that agrees with you but that doesn't actually prove anything. And yet again, there are several theories of how this might be integrated into FET, including my Sky Mirror hypothesis and Wilmore's alternative FE map.

On the day of the equinox, the sun rises almost exactly due east and almost exactly 12 hours later sets almost exactly due west for observers almost anywhere in the world (give or take the polar regions).  You will have an opportunity to verify this for yourself in September.

How can I verify for myself that the Sun exhibits this behaviour "almost anywhere in the world" if I can only be in one location at a time? Also, Wilmore's FE map would account for this behaviour in FET.

In conclusion: none of these four issues is unique to RET and none of these four issues has been proven true. My challenge is still open to anyone who would like to take it up.

I'm sorry sir, but no.
the effect still happens lrn2 atomic clocks. Their error of margin is less then the time dilation.

And as for measured values of g, are you saying that it is always the same?
and if it is not, how come GRACE aligns with local geography and the whole earth spinning thing?
celestial pull? lololol, so gravity pulls at only things not named earth?

And the midnight sun, I would like to see evidence of sky mirrors sir.
and wtf is wilmores map

and wouldn't we notice by now if the sun's behavior didn't fit the generally accepted theories of the earth?
I mean, its simple pick any two points on the earth's circumference, and I guarantee you that at on point in the summer,
there will be light for both, If not, an hero will be made.

In the end, all four of my arguments hold, call your local college to find out why. Better yet, why don't you pick one theory of mine and figure out why its wrong and why it proves FET and RET as wrong. But you can't, because you are wrong and you know it deep down inside. You have failed your own challenge against a random highshooler, u clearly rn't ready to battle the internets.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2010, 07:27:56 PM by Thevoiceofreason »

#### Parsifal

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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2010, 07:39:16 PM »
It would?  Care to show how?

With the Sun moving directly over the Equator during an equinox, its illumination of the Earth's surface will be symmetrical. This allows it to illuminate every part of the surface for exactly twelve hours as it passes over it.

I'm sorry sir, but no.
the effect still happens lrn2 atomic clocks. Their error of margin is less then the time dilation.

I'm aware of the claim you're making. What I want is the proof.

And as for measured values of g, are you saying that it is always the same?

I'm not saying anything. I'm simply asking for the proof you said you had.

And the midnight sun, I would like to see evidence of sky mirrors sir.

That makes two of us.

and wouldn't we notice by now if the sun's behavior didn't fit the generally accepted theories of the earth?
I mean, its simple pick any two points on the earth's circumference, and I guarantee you that at on point in the summer,
there will be light for both, If not, an hero will be made.

I have no idea what you're even trying to say here, but I get the feeling I'm not missing out on a great deal by it.

In the end, all four of my arguments hold, call your local college to find out why. Better yet, why don't you pick one theory of mine and figure out why its wrong and why it proves FET and RET as wrong. But you can't, because you are wrong and you know it deep down inside. You have failed your own challenge against a random highshooler, u clearly rn't ready to battle the internets.

I shouldn't have to prove you wrong, you should be able to prove yourself right. Your hypotheses aren't automatically correct just because you say they are.
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