Proof the Moon is not a flat disc.

Quote from: 004forever on April 25, 2010, 06:46:43 PM

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on April 25, 2010, 04:08:05 PM

I have strong experimental evidence the moon's light is independent of the Sun's light.

No you don't.

Actually, I do.

no you dont you are just confused about what it is your doing and further confused about the results

Collenchyma grew in moonlight light only regardless of time or intensity. What isn't there to get?
Sunlight and lamp plants were fine.

Absorption and color has nothing to do with my experiment.

You are claiming your experiment shows that plants react differently when they try to absorb moonlight only.
You didn't factor in day/night cycles.  You only had it going for 7 days for reasons not of your own doing.  You also failed to factor in that the moonlight doesn't have the same properties, intensity, or EM range as sunlight.  For example: There's no IR coming from the moon.  No UV either.  Yet there is from the sun.

In fact, I submit that the sun is harmful to you because if you stand in it, you get sunburned.  No one has recorded being burned by moonlight.

Yes I did. Please refer to the day vs. night chart statistics. Also, intensity was taken care of by using nightglo. Furthermore wavelengths aren't a factor because they do not cause mechanical stress

Yes I did. Please refer to the day vs. night chart statistics. Also, intensity was taken care of by using nightglo. Furthermore wavelengths aren't a factor because they do not cause mechanical stress

you are omitting the fact that everything your wasting your time on is explainable by reflected sunlight off of the moon

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on April 25, 2010, 07:26:20 PM

Yes I did. Please refer to the day vs. night chart statistics. Also, intensity was taken care of by using nightglo. Furthermore wavelengths aren't a factor because they do not cause mechanical stress

you are omitting the fact that everything your wasting your time on is explainable by reflected sunlight off of the moon

Nope. Please do keep up.

Yes I did. Please refer to the day vs. night chart statistics. Also, intensity was taken care of by using nightglo. Furthermore wavelengths aren't a factor because they do not cause mechanical stress

Well there's your problem:
Light is nothing more than a wavelength.  How could it result in mechanical stress?  Therefore, the moonlight could not be the factor as moonlight is nothing more than wavelengths and by your own definition, they can't cause mechanical stress.

This also fails to account for why sunlight counteracts the mechanical stress of the moonlight.

I submit that moonlight can't be a factor in the results because the results of the experiment point to a mechanical stress, by your own admission, and the sun can't create anti-mechanical stress.

Well here's your problem,
you think light is nothing more than a wavelength.

I submit your argument is invalid.

edit:going to bed. goodnight <3

Well here's your problem,
you think light is nothing more than a wavelength.

I submit your argument is invalid.

Yep.  That's because it is.  Well that an a photon, but it depends on what it's doing that determines how it behaves.
How do I know light behaves like a wave?
It has wave interference patterns that match those of other wave forms.

Quote from: Lorddave on April 25, 2010, 06:52:20 PM

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on April 25, 2010, 06:48:21 PM

Quote from: 004forever on April 25, 2010, 06:46:43 PM

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on April 25, 2010, 04:08:05 PM

I have strong experimental evidence the moon's light is independent of the Sun's light.

No you don't.

Actually, I do.

I've read your studies:
No you don't.

Yes I have.

^^ Arguing like five year-olds. This does little to make me support either of you.

Quote from: Sliver on April 25, 2010, 03:49:40 PM

2.  I didn't say the moon reflected the sun's light, I said the Earth reflected the sun's light. 

So we are in agreement that the Moon does not reflect the Sun's light?

Quote from: Sliver on April 25, 2010, 03:49:40 PM

3.  I'd like to see your source for the claim that moon emits it's own light.

I have two sources, the experiments of Dr Lardner, and the experiments of Charles Dickens.
Dr Lardner's experiments were published in Lardner, D. (1854-6) 'The Museum of Science and Art', London: Walton and Maberly, page 115.
Dickens' experiments were published in his periodical All the Year Round, and are cited in Rowbotham, S. B. (1881) 'Earth Not a Globe...', Third Edition, London: Simpkin, Marshall & Co., p. 144.

Haha, the 1800s... when scientific research ended because everything that could be discovered had been discovered, right?

This guy must be a troll. Nobody is as stupid as this in real life.

Quote from: James on April 25, 2010, 03:56:09 PM

Quote from: Sliver on April 25, 2010, 03:49:40 PM

2.  I didn't say the moon reflected the sun's light, I said the Earth reflected the sun's light. 

So we are in agreement that the Moon does not reflect the Sun's light?

Quote from: Sliver on April 25, 2010, 03:49:40 PM

3.  I'd like to see your source for the claim that moon emits it's own light.

I have two sources, the experiments of Dr Lardner, and the experiments of Charles Dickens.
Dr Lardner's experiments were published in Lardner, D. (1854-6) 'The Museum of Science and Art', London: Walton and Maberly, page 115.
Dickens' experiments were published in his periodical All the Year Round, and are cited in Rowbotham, S. B. (1881) 'Earth Not a Globe...', Third Edition, London: Simpkin, Marshall & Co., p. 144.

Haha, the 1800s... when scientific research ended because everything that could be discovered had been discovered, right?

This guy must be a troll. Nobody is as stupid as this in real life.

If you'd like some more recent experimental data which straightforwardly corroborates Rowbotham's claims about moonlight, try:

Bhattacharjee, C., Bradley, P. et al. (2000) 'Do Animals Bite More During A Full Moon? Retrospective Observational Analysis'. In BMJ: British Medical Journal, Vol. 321, No. 7276. pp. 1559-1561.

Thakur, C. P., & Sharma, D. (1984) 'Full Moon And Crime'. In British Medical Journal (Clinical Research Edition). Vol. 289, No. 6460. pp. 1789-1791.


Gee, don't you hate it when Flat Earthers cite those terribly outdated sources in their arguments? 

Ah yes, animals being affected by a full moon proves the Earth is flat.

Gee, don't you hate it when Flat Earthers cite those terribly outdated sources in their arguments? 

Gee, don't you hate it when Round Earthers post up pictures that prove the Moon cannot be a flat disc?

All your other arguments are as worthless as monkey piss, James. You can't explain libration with a flat disc. The flat disc has got to go.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on April 25, 2010, 02:28:38 PM

The Earth can't be round because we all see the same side of it, whether looking at it to our west or to our east.

Correct.

Obviously a typo, I meant MOON you cretinous troll.

If you'd like some more recent experimental data which straightforwardly corroborates Rowbotham's claims about moonlight, try:

Bhattacharjee, C., Bradley, P. et al. (2000) 'Do Animals Bite More During A Full Moon? Retrospective Observational Analysis'. In BMJ: British Medical Journal, Vol. 321, No. 7276. pp. 1559-1561.

Thakur, C. P., & Sharma, D. (1984) 'Full Moon And Crime'. In British Medical Journal (Clinical Research Edition). Vol. 289, No. 6460. pp. 1789-1791.

Gee, don't you hate it when Flat Earthers cite those terribly outdated sources in their arguments? 

I'm sorry, but which of those sources corroborates Dickens' claim that moonlight lowers temperatures?

Give it up guys.

You can't stop James from saying what he'll say because he's saying it for the laughs.  He's only riling you up then laughing at his computer as he reads how frustrated you are.

If we were to ignore him, he'd go away.

Thats not true, many of us believe in biolum life on the moon.

Quote from: Lorddave on April 25, 2010, 06:45:06 PM

Give it up guys.

You can't stop James from saying what he'll say because he's saying it for the laughs.  He's only riling you up then laughing at his computer as he reads how frustrated you are.

If we were to ignore him, he'd go away.

Thats not true, many of us believe in biolum life on the moon.

No, you don't. You just say you do for the lulz. James may believe but I think he has genuine psychiatric problems. The amount of common sense visual evidence alone you have to shut your eyes to in order to think the Moon is bioluminescent is so enormous, that to believe it your mental level would have to be such that all you could do is flail about going "duuurrrrr". You'd have to think it's a coincidence that the lighting pattern on the Moon as it passes through its phases just happens to correspond exactly with what one would see if it was a rugged spheroid lit from whichever direction the sun happens to be in at that time. Presumably you do think this is a coincidence? If you think the moonlight is not reflected sunlight, it's a requirement to say yes to this coincidence.

No, you don't. You just say you do for the lulz. James may believe but I think he has genuine psychiatric problems. The amount of common sense visual evidence alone you have to shut your eyes to in order to think the Moon is bioluminescent is so enormous, that to believe it your mental level would have to be such that all you could do is flail about going "duuurrrrr". You'd have to think it's a coincidence that the lighting pattern on the Moon as it passes through its phases just happens to correspond exactly with what one would see if it was a rugged spheroid lit from whichever direction the sun happens to be in at that time. Presumably you do think this is a coincidence? If you think the moonlight is not reflected sunlight, it's a requirement to say yes to this coincidence.

It is clear by simple visual evidence that the moon has a large weather system that moves in extremely predictable patterns.  This weather system blocks out light from bioluminescent life as it passes over it.  Occasionally, some of the waste makes it to earth in the form of mana or blood rain (depending if it is "wet" or not)  via getting caught in the center of localized aetheric eddies that interact with said weather system.  The weather system comes from gasses from inside the moon.  

No, you don't. You just say you do for the lulz.

When have I ever stated non-belief in FET?

Quote from: Lorddave on April 25, 2010, 06:45:06 PM

Give it up guys.

You can't stop James from saying what he'll say because he's saying it for the laughs.  He's only riling you up then laughing at his computer as he reads how frustrated you are.

If we were to ignore him, he'd go away.

Thats not true, many of us believe in biolum life on the moon.

So you say, but if you guys have taught me anything here it's that I should doubt everything anyone here says.
And frankly, lying is just way too easy.  I could very easily make a new account, post a "scientific paper" on how the Earth is flat, and you'd all think I was brilliant, parade it around like it was the new bible, and not bother to question that I may not be one of you.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on April 26, 2010, 11:16:00 AM

No, you don't. You just say you do for the lulz. James may believe but I think he has genuine psychiatric problems. The amount of common sense visual evidence alone you have to shut your eyes to in order to think the Moon is bioluminescent is so enormous, that to believe it your mental level would have to be such that all you could do is flail about going "duuurrrrr". You'd have to think it's a coincidence that the lighting pattern on the Moon as it passes through its phases just happens to correspond exactly with what one would see if it was a rugged spheroid lit from whichever direction the sun happens to be in at that time. Presumably you do think this is a coincidence? If you think the moonlight is not reflected sunlight, it's a requirement to say yes to this coincidence.

It is clear by simple visual evidence that the moon has a large weather system that moves in extremely predictable patterns.  This weather system blocks out light from bioluminescent life as it passes over it.  Occasionally, some of the waste makes it to earth in the form of mana or blood rain (depending if it is "wet" or not)  via getting caught in the center of localized aetheric eddies that interact with said weather system.  The weather system comes from gasses from inside the moon.  

I ask again, you think it is a complete coincidence that whatever method  you assign to the visual appearance of the Moon EXACTLY resembles what one would see if it was a rugged spheroid lit from whichever direction the sun happens to be in at that time?
Yes or no will do.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on April 26, 2010, 11:16:00 AM

No, you don't. You just say you do for the lulz.

When have I ever stated non-belief in FET?

You don't have to say it. We can all tell, the way a courtroom can tell a murderer is lying if he is really unconvincing.

Quote from: John Davis on April 26, 2010, 11:55:46 AM

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on April 26, 2010, 11:16:00 AM

No, you don't. You just say you do for the lulz.

When have I ever stated non-belief in FET?

You don't have to say it. We can all tell, the way a courtroom can tell a murderer is lying if he is really unconvincing.

You claimed I said I do it for the "lulz".

Substantiate this claim.  Unless you just spout shit you can't back up. 

Quote from: John Davis on April 26, 2010, 11:09:58 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on April 25, 2010, 06:45:06 PM

Give it up guys.

You can't stop James from saying what he'll say because he's saying it for the laughs.  He's only riling you up then laughing at his computer as he reads how frustrated you are.

If we were to ignore him, he'd go away.

Thats not true, many of us believe in biolum life on the moon.

So you say, but if you guys have taught me anything here it's that I should doubt everything anyone here says.
And frankly, lying is just way too easy.  I could very easily make a new account, post a "scientific paper" on how the Earth is flat, and you'd all think I was brilliant, parade it around like it was the new bible, and not bother to question that I may not be one of you.

Are you saying that I made an account, faked it for four years, created a flat earth group and am beginning another one, travelled to the antarctic, spent most of my free time the span of those 4 years working on Flat Earth related research for no possible or reasonable motive?

The mental gymnastics you round earthers do when something conflicts with your belief is amazing.

The mental gymnastics you round earthers do when something conflicts with your belief is amazing.

you didnt actually just say this did you?

Quote from: John Davis on April 26, 2010, 11:44:20 AM

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on April 26, 2010, 11:16:00 AM

No, you don't. You just say you do for the lulz. James may believe but I think he has genuine psychiatric problems. The amount of common sense visual evidence alone you have to shut your eyes to in order to think the Moon is bioluminescent is so enormous, that to believe it your mental level would have to be such that all you could do is flail about going "duuurrrrr". You'd have to think it's a coincidence that the lighting pattern on the Moon as it passes through its phases just happens to correspond exactly with what one would see if it was a rugged spheroid lit from whichever direction the sun happens to be in at that time. Presumably you do think this is a coincidence? If you think the moonlight is not reflected sunlight, it's a requirement to say yes to this coincidence.

It is clear by simple visual evidence that the moon has a large weather system that moves in extremely predictable patterns.  This weather system blocks out light from bioluminescent life as it passes over it.  Occasionally, some of the waste makes it to earth in the form of mana or blood rain (depending if it is "wet" or not)  via getting caught in the center of localized aetheric eddies that interact with said weather system.  The weather system comes from gasses from inside the moon.  

I ask again, you think it is a complete coincidence that whatever method  you assign to the visual appearance of the Moon EXACTLY resembles what one would see if it was a rugged spheroid lit from whichever direction the sun happens to be in at that time?
Yes or no will do.

Do you honestly believe it just a coincidence that in your model the moon is a 400th the size of the sun and 400 times closer to the earth than the sun, rotating at a rate of 400km a day with the earth only rotating 100 times less than that?   And the moon has a rotational speed of 1% of an earth day?  That the sun can fit 109 earths around it, and at the same time have 109 earths between it and the earth?  A moon that was supposedly made from the earth, jumped up to the perfect spot for eclispes to exist, and sat there?

Yeah ok.  I guess the flat earth model is more coincidental.  Thanks for clearing that up.

Quote from: Thermal Detonator on April 26, 2010, 11:16:00 AM

No, you don't. You just say you do for the lulz. James may believe but I think he has genuine psychiatric problems. The amount of common sense visual evidence alone you have to shut your eyes to in order to think the Moon is bioluminescent is so enormous, that to believe it your mental level would have to be such that all you could do is flail about going "duuurrrrr". You'd have to think it's a coincidence that the lighting pattern on the Moon as it passes through its phases just happens to correspond exactly with what one would see if it was a rugged spheroid lit from whichever direction the sun happens to be in at that time. Presumably you do think this is a coincidence? If you think the moonlight is not reflected sunlight, it's a requirement to say yes to this coincidence.

It is clear by simple visual evidence that the moon has a large weather system that moves in extremely predictable patterns.  This weather system blocks out light from bioluminescent life as it passes over it.  Occasionally, some of the waste makes it to earth in the form of mana or blood rain (depending if it is "wet" or not)  via getting caught in the center of localized aetheric eddies that interact with said weather system.  The weather system comes from gasses from inside the moon.  

You're quite right John, although I'm fairly convinced there is actually life moving around up there as well as weather - probably a combination of the two. The redness of blood rain is in all likelyhood dependent on the Red Moon phenomenon described by Lardner.

Quote from: John Davis on April 26, 2010, 12:50:47 PM

The mental gymnastics you round earthers do when something conflicts with your belief is amazing.

you didnt actually just say this did you?

Yes...... he did. And it has made my day.

Quote from: Lorddave on April 26, 2010, 12:27:18 PM

Quote from: John Davis on April 26, 2010, 11:09:58 AM

Quote from: Lorddave on April 25, 2010, 06:45:06 PM

Give it up guys.

You can't stop James from saying what he'll say because he's saying it for the laughs.  He's only riling you up then laughing at his computer as he reads how frustrated you are.

If we were to ignore him, he'd go away.

Thats not true, many of us believe in biolum life on the moon.

So you say, but if you guys have taught me anything here it's that I should doubt everything anyone here says.
And frankly, lying is just way too easy.  I could very easily make a new account, post a "scientific paper" on how the Earth is flat, and you'd all think I was brilliant, parade it around like it was the new bible, and not bother to question that I may not be one of you.

Are you saying that I made an account, faked it for four years, created a flat earth group and am beginning another one, travelled to the antarctic, spent most of my free time the span of those 4 years working on Flat Earth related research for no possible or reasonable motive?

The mental gymnastics you round earthers do when something conflicts with your belief is amazing.

How do I know you went to Antarctica?  How do I know you did any research?  It would take me about 2 days to make up a bunch of figures.

And yes, you could.  You believe in the Conspiracy so why can't I believe you're not trustworthy?