There is no way for a round Earth to Exist. (Science & Philosophy)

Just give us some idea of how science is better off with the 100 or 150 years of philosophical studies since the scientific method was first drafted.

The point is simple: the scientists like me accept that science has a specific place in the realm of human knowledge, and that there is not much we can or want to contribute to the ultimate questions of philosophy. We dedicate ourselves to the problems that are amenable to the scientific method and, in some cases, to the theoretical problems that arise from mathematical formulations of models that do not, do do not yet show in experiments and observations. Philosophers, on the other hand, accept that the realm of science has few interesting philosophical implications and dedicate themselves to other targets.

You can still play with words all you like, or show us a research in which an interdisciplinary group of scientists and philosophers work together.

Quote from: trig on May 02, 2010, 07:29:34 AM

Just give us some idea of how science is better off with the 100 or 150 years of philosophical studies since the scientific method was first drafted.

The problem here is that you're constantly assuming that science and philosophy are distinct. My point is that they aren't. Science is a branch of empiricism, which is itself a branch of epistemology and hence a branch of philosophy. Science is philosophy, just a specific and very successful form.

Quote from: trig on May 02, 2010, 07:29:34 AM

The point is simple: the scientists like me accept that science has a specific place in the realm of human knowledge, and that there is not much we can or want to contribute to the ultimate questions of philosophy. We dedicate ourselves to the problems that are amenable to the scientific method and, in some cases, to the theoretical problems that arise from mathematical formulations of models that do not, do do not yet show in experiments and observations. Philosophers, on the other hand, accept that the realm of science has few interesting philosophical implications and dedicate themselves to other targets.

Again, this paragraph displays a fundamental misunderstanding of what philosophy is. You say "science has a specific place in the realm of human knowledge, and that there is not much we can or want to contribute to the ultimate questions of philosophy". Philosophy is very much concerned with human knowledge, that's what epistemology is all about. However, there are different fields of philosophy, and different approaches to philosophy. Epistemology is a field, and the scientific method is an approach. The two are not distinct; one is just a subset of the other.


Also, you should note that there is an absolute wealth of writing about the science of philosophy, so don't make such ridiculous generalisations.

Quote from: trig on May 02, 2010, 07:29:34 AM

You can still play with words all you like, or show us a research in which an interdisciplinary group of scientists and philosophers work together.

Well, as I have already pointed out, there are frequent ethical and epistemological discussions in scientific circles. However, all of this is beside the point, because proving that science is philosophical in nature is really quite easy. Observe:


1) Science is an empirical method.

2) Empiricism is an epistemological theory.

3) Epistemology is a philosophical field.


Therefore, science is philosophical, Q.E.D.


If you want to continue this discussion, start by telling us which of those three points is incorrect, and why.

To continue playing the same game, every field of human knowledge is a branch of Quantum Physics, since everyone, everywhere is interacting with matter or energy, even the philosopher who studies reality (all instances of reality that we know of have matter or energy).

This does not imply that the study of Quantum Mechanics will help a historian understand why a battle was fought.

If I understood correctly, the flat earth supporters are trying to prove that science is unreliable. The only reason anyone would do that is because they couldn't use science to show that the world is flat. This is probably the last resort to defend the flat earth hypothesis.

Typical of a globularist when all else fails to rely on Platonism. It is nothing short of a religion.

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Typical of a globularist when all else fails to rely on Platonism. It is nothing short of a religion.

Ah, religion, eh? Well I can honestly say, I'm not a part of any religion whatsoever. I have my own beliefs. The earth being round is not one of them. The Earth being round, isn't a belief its a fact. I'd like to meet to guy who first thought "Hmm, maybe everyone is lying to us. Maybe the Earth isn't round after all.", and smack him in the face. You "FE'ers" as you call yourself, are simply trying to find a way to seem important. You respond to us like robots, with no feeling or passion. Take a look at the difference in the conversations between the two. We respond like real people people with enthusiasm, not without emotion. It's like you've been completely taken over by conspiracy its ridiculous.

Anyways, I'm not going to continue debates with people of your level. I'm not inferring that your not smart, but face reality. They have programs where you can go into space as a civilian. I suggest at least one person, out of ALL you FE'ers, take that chance. You might have a heart attack when you see the curve of the Earth. But then again, you all are too proud to do even try.

I suggest you watch this enlightening television programme - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets - it demonstrates quite clearly how easy it is to fake a space program even to people who think they are aboard a space ship.

I assure you my heart is extremely robust, I am often scaling hills and scouring far and wide to obtain information and scientific evidence. I suggest you watch this enlightening television programme - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets - it demonstrates quite clearly how easy it is to fake a space program even to people who think they are aboard a space ship.

Quote from: James on May 10, 2010, 05:24:10 PM

I assure you my heart is extremely robust, I am often scaling hills and scouring far and wide to obtain information and scientific evidence. I suggest you watch this enlightening television programme - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets - it demonstrates quite clearly how easy it is to fake a space program even to people who think they are aboard a space ship.

I knew a guy who was a gym teacher.  Kept in great shape.  40+ years old, coached sports, exercised daily, ect...

Died of a heart attack on the bleachers while watching his son's game.

Quote from: Lorddave on May 10, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

Quote from: James on May 10, 2010, 05:24:10 PM

I assure you my heart is extremely robust, I am often scaling hills and scouring far and wide to obtain information and scientific evidence. I suggest you watch this enlightening television programme - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets - it demonstrates quite clearly how easy it is to fake a space program even to people who think they are aboard a space ship.

I knew a guy who was a gym teacher.  Kept in great shape.  40+ years old, coached sports, exercised daily, ect...

Died of a heart attack on the bleachers while watching his son's game.

Was it a night game?

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on May 10, 2010, 05:36:51 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on May 10, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

Quote from: James on May 10, 2010, 05:24:10 PM

I assure you my heart is extremely robust, I am often scaling hills and scouring far and wide to obtain information and scientific evidence. I suggest you watch this enlightening television programme - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets - it demonstrates quite clearly how easy it is to fake a space program even to people who think they are aboard a space ship.

I knew a guy who was a gym teacher.  Kept in great shape.  40+ years old, coached sports, exercised daily, ect...

Died of a heart attack on the bleachers while watching his son's game.

Was it a night game?

No, it was daylight, in the spring.  Highschool Baseball.

And don't you start with the whole "The moon rays are harmful" or I'll find you, tie you to a tree, and let you tell me which hurts more: the sun or the moon.

Quote from: Lorddave on May 10, 2010, 05:38:50 PM

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on May 10, 2010, 05:36:51 PM

Quote from: Lorddave on May 10, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

Quote from: James on May 10, 2010, 05:24:10 PM

I assure you my heart is extremely robust, I am often scaling hills and scouring far and wide to obtain information and scientific evidence. I suggest you watch this enlightening television programme - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets - it demonstrates quite clearly how easy it is to fake a space program even to people who think they are aboard a space ship.

I knew a guy who was a gym teacher.  Kept in great shape.  40+ years old, coached sports, exercised daily, ect...

Died of a heart attack on the bleachers while watching his son's game.

Was it a night game?

No, it was daylight, in the spring.  Highschool Baseball.

And don't you start with the whole "The moon rays are harmful" or I'll find you, tie you to a tree, and let you tell me which hurts more: the sun or the moon.

Please do not threaten me with torture.

I assure you my heart is extremely robust, I am often scaling hills and scouring far and wide to obtain information and scientific evidence. I suggest you watch this enlightening television programme - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets - it demonstrates quite clearly how easy it is to fake a space program even to people who think they are aboard a space ship.

As the attention to detail in the hoaxed environment became clear, some viewers expressed suspicions - in particular on Channel 4's message board for the programme - that the entire show, including the apparent gullibility and abject ignorance of the Cadets, was in fact a double bluff; all the Cadets were actors and that the real target of "the biggest prank in television history" was the "gullible" viewing public.

I assure you my heart is extremely robust, I am often scaling hills and scouring far and wide to obtain information and scientific evidence.

    I think it is time that we take a serious look at the issues as to why

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 Even if you think it is ridiculous to believe that the earth is flat in today’s world, please remember that it is critical that you as a person examine everything that you think you know because it may surprise you.

I am often scaling hills and scouring far and wide to obtain information and scientific evidence.

I suggest you watch this enlightening television programme - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/space-cadets - it demonstrates quite clearly how easy it is to fake a space program even to people who think they are aboard a space ship.

Ok a few question for the dumbass "flat earthers"

1. Go outside at night, see the moon and other planets that are ROUND, why would earth be the only flat planet?

2. How would a flat earth be possible? What would be on the other side of the flat earth? When i think of it, it seems like a coin with our earth on one side there has to be something on the other side.

3. Go onto google earth. Look at all the satellite immages, you can zoom in and see your house. How would these all be fake???

4. Why in the HELL would all of the worlds governments spend so much money defending some "super secret beyond the ice wall"?

5. Explain the space shuttles lauching into space and the images they send back. They are all fake? All astronauts are lying?

Disprove me dumbasses. I dare you.

Ok so you're saying we observe a flat Earth, what I observe is that you're avoiding the actual question at hand saying 2 rain drops coming together =/= a flat earth. I have been in a high flying planes and have personally seen the curvature of the earth. Also how can you enter Asia from two different directions. I want to see real proof.

Ok so you're saying we observe a flat Earth, what I observe is that you're avoiding the actual question at hand saying 2 rain drops coming together =/= a flat earth. I have been in a high flying planes and have personally seen the curvature of the earth. Also how can you enter Asia from two different directions. I want to see real proof.