How is this possible???

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2010, 02:34:21 PM »
I think the question shouldn't be if the RE maps are valid,it should be if FE maps will work.
It seems the only thing we would need to do is get the distance between any 2 places in the southern hemisphere,and compare them to what the distance would be on an FET map.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2010, 06:35:09 PM »
First, lets admit that inaccurate maps work.  Its the nature of a map.  A 100% accurate map would produce a scale replica, a reality by proxy.  So we are looking at maps that are "accurate" enough for travel.  Now, I can travel on a road map but its hardly accurate either, given RE, compared to say a map with a better projection.  Now this map may work better than the road map, but it is still inaccurate.  Most travel maps (for ships or planes etc) are specialized for a region and do not "stitch" together with other maps to somehow make a world map for what I hope are obvious reasons.

Google Earth?

Or are you just going to dismiss that for no reason like everyone else?

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2010, 09:08:04 AM »
If Google Earth has taken pictures of every single part of earth, quality irrelevant, and stitched them together - It is a definitive proof of a flat earth. Look at it like a puzzle. For all the bricks(pictures) to add up, they would undeniable create either a flat or a round earth. Hint: They created a round earth.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2010, 10:34:27 AM »
Google Earth is a bunch of 2d images mapped on a 3d sphere with huge holes all over with horrible resolution.  I could map the texture on a cube.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2010, 10:39:44 AM »
All right. I'm waiting.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2010, 10:49:30 AM »
All right. I'm waiting.

I said I could, not that I would.  I'm not going to reprogram Google Earth for you.


Here, I'll get you started:
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glBindTexture(GL_TEXTURE_2D, texture[0]);
glBegin(GL_QUADS);

glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f, -1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f, -1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f,  1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f,  1.0f,  1.0f);

glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f, -1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f,  1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f,  1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f, -1.0f, -1.0f);

glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f,  1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f,  1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f,  1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f,  1.0f, -1.0f);

glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f, -1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f, -1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f, -1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f, -1.0f,  1.0f);

glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f, -1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f,  1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f,  1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f( 1.0f, -1.0f,  1.0f);

glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f, -1.0f, -1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 0.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f, -1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(1.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f,  1.0f,  1.0f);
glTexCoord2f(0.0f, 1.0f); glVertex3f(-1.0f,  1.0f, -1.0f);
glEnd();
Just fix the glVertex to match your map and load the texture up.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2010, 10:59:51 AM »
So in other words, you can't do it and instead you throw a bunch of coding at me which I obviously have no idea what to do with.

Besides, mapping it on a cube does not equal a flat earth. There would be a point in the flat earth map where the puzzle wont add up, and some bricks need a partner next to it.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2010, 11:30:18 AM »
So in other words, you can't do it and instead you throw a bunch of coding at me which I obviously have no idea what to do with.

Besides, mapping it on a cube does not equal a flat earth. There would be a point in the flat earth map where the puzzle wont add up, and some bricks need a partner next to it.
I can do it easily.  Its just not worth my time.  If its worth yours go for it.  I have work to do.   Believe it or not, my day job is not rewriting Google Maps for a random person on an internet forum.

They would match up fine.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #38 on: April 20, 2010, 12:24:51 PM »
Besides, mapping it on a cube does not equal a flat earth. There would be a point in the flat earth map where the puzzle wont add up, and some bricks need a partner next to it.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2010, 12:36:12 PM »
Besides, mapping it on a cube does not equal a flat earth. There would be a point in the flat earth map where the puzzle wont add up, and some bricks need a partner next to it.
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They would match up fine.



Where did I claim the textures for Google Earth mapped to a cube would be a map for the flat earth?

"There would be a point in the flat earth map where the puzzle wont add up, and some bricks need a partner next to it"
Makes zero sense to me.  Some bricks need a partner?  Puzzle adding up? Flat Earth Map?   We don't add puzzles, and there are no bricks in a 3d object.

Can you please clarify.   I apologize if English isn't your first language, but I just don't understand you.

That said,
We aren't talking about puzzles or bricks or partners or even a flat earth map.  The Earth is an infinite plane, not a cube.

We are talking about taking a texture and mapping it to a 3d object and how this shows us nothing about the shape of the earth.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #40 on: April 20, 2010, 12:52:57 PM »
All right. At some point in the Flat Earth map, the picture taken will not have a picture next to it on a random side, because the Flat Earth actually ENDS. On a Round Earth map there will always be a picture next to the picture taken because everything will eventually go together.

I tried to explain it using childrens logic by comparing it to a puzzle.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2010, 01:29:32 PM »
The Earth is an infinite plane, not a cube.
Prove it.


Oh wait sorry, I forgot you never need to.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2010, 01:36:41 PM »
The Earth is an infinite plane, not a cube.
Prove it.


Oh wait sorry, I forgot you never need to.

You are right, I don't need to because its impossible.  And its impossible to prove the earth round too.  Or that my hair is brown.  Or really anything outside of mathematics.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2010, 01:44:44 PM »

You are right,

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't need to because its impossible.
Incorrect. It is not impossible, therefore you DO need to.

And its impossible to prove the earth round too.
Incorrect once again. The earth is undoubtedly round and has been conclusively proven to be so. Ignorance != lack of evidence

Or that my hair is brown.
This is the stupedest of all three comments. This is quite simple to prove, even scientifically. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Or really anything outside of mathematics.
Your final comment is irrelevant.


Good job using many words to say nothing. Well done.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2010, 01:49:48 PM »
He probably just meant that you can only prove something which is mathematical. Other than that, it should be called "Evidence". But I'll let him have his say. It won't amuse me in any way.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2010, 01:52:08 PM »
Do you understand, John?

All right. At some point in the Flat Earth map, the picture taken will not have a picture next to it on a random side, because the Flat Earth actually ENDS. On a Round Earth map there will always be a picture next to the picture taken because everything will eventually go together.

I tried to explain it using childrens logic by comparing it to a puzzle.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2010, 01:54:22 PM »
The Earth is an infinite plane, not a cube.
Prove it.


Oh wait sorry, I forgot you never need to.

You are right, I don't need to because its impossible.  And its impossible to prove the earth round too.  Or that my hair is brown.  Or really anything outside of mathematics.

It's easy to prove your hair is brown.
Take a piece of paper and write "I am John Davis of the Flat EArth society".  Hold that up and your drivers license to a camera.  Take picture.  Upload picture.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2010, 03:05:55 PM »

You are right,

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't need to because its impossible.
Incorrect. It is not impossible, therefore you DO need to.

And its impossible to prove the earth round too.
Incorrect once again. The earth is undoubtedly round and has been conclusively proven to be so. Ignorance != lack of evidence

Or that my hair is brown.
This is the stupedest of all three comments. This is quite simple to prove, even scientifically. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Or really anything outside of mathematics.
Your final comment is irrelevant.


Good job using many words to say nothing. Well done.
Fine, you won't have any issue with proving a Round Earth right here in this thread then?
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2010, 03:07:07 PM »

You are right,

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't need to because its impossible.
Incorrect. It is not impossible, therefore you DO need to.

And its impossible to prove the earth round too.
Incorrect once again. The earth is undoubtedly round and has been conclusively proven to be so. Ignorance != lack of evidence

Or that my hair is brown.
This is the stupedest of all three comments. This is quite simple to prove, even scientifically. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Or really anything outside of mathematics.
Your final comment is irrelevant.


Good job using many words to say nothing. Well done.
Fine, you won't have any issue with proving a Round Earth right here in this thread then?

Proving it is easy.
Getting anyone who doesn't believe it's round to accept said proof is not easy.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2010, 04:34:40 PM »

You are right,

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't need to because its impossible.
Incorrect. It is not impossible, therefore you DO need to.

And its impossible to prove the earth round too.
Incorrect once again. The earth is undoubtedly round and has been conclusively proven to be so. Ignorance != lack of evidence

Or that my hair is brown.
This is the stupedest of all three comments. This is quite simple to prove, even scientifically. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Or really anything outside of mathematics.
Your final comment is irrelevant.


Good job using many words to say nothing. Well done.
Fine, you won't have any issue with proving a Round Earth right here in this thread then?

Proving it is easy.
Getting anyone who doesn't believe it's round to accept said proof is not easy.
If you give a proof for something in reality I'd be more than happy to accept it.  Because its impossible.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #50 on: April 20, 2010, 04:46:19 PM »

You are right,

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't need to because its impossible.
Incorrect. It is not impossible, therefore you DO need to.

And its impossible to prove the earth round too.
Incorrect once again. The earth is undoubtedly round and has been conclusively proven to be so. Ignorance != lack of evidence

Or that my hair is brown.
This is the stupedest of all three comments. This is quite simple to prove, even scientifically. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Or really anything outside of mathematics.
Your final comment is irrelevant.


Good job using many words to say nothing. Well done.
Fine, you won't have any issue with proving a Round Earth right here in this thread then?

Proving it is easy.
Getting anyone who doesn't believe it's round to accept said proof is not easy.
If you give a proof for something in reality I'd be more than happy to accept it.  Because its impossible.

Because what is impossible?  That the Earth is round?
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2010, 05:38:56 PM »

You are right,

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't need to because its impossible.
Incorrect. It is not impossible, therefore you DO need to.

And its impossible to prove the earth round too.
Incorrect once again. The earth is undoubtedly round and has been conclusively proven to be so. Ignorance != lack of evidence

Or that my hair is brown.
This is the stupedest of all three comments. This is quite simple to prove, even scientifically. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Or really anything outside of mathematics.
Your final comment is irrelevant.


Good job using many words to say nothing. Well done.
Fine, you won't have any issue with proving a Round Earth right here in this thread then?

Proving it is easy.
Getting anyone who doesn't believe it's round to accept said proof is not easy.
If you give a proof for something in reality I'd be more than happy to accept it.  Because its impossible.

Because what is impossible?  That the Earth is round?
Proving it.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2010, 05:45:05 PM »
In your FAQ, it states that the Earth is 24,900 miles across.  Now, making some rough adjustments, let's say, measuring across the North Pole, that the distance from Sydney, Australia to Buenos Aires is around 20,000 miles.  A ballpark figure from looking at a flat Earth model.  Now, at a speed of 530MPH, this trip would take a little more than 37 non-stop hours.  However, the flight is made, going in a curve, over the Pacific ocean, in a matter of about 14 hours.  Now, this route would be a longer than flying directly over the North Pole, yet takes less time than it would take to make the trip using the shorter route.

Here's a rough diagram.



Anyone want to try and explain this one?
This thread has been derailed.  No one has even attempted to answer my original question.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2010, 05:51:57 PM »

You are right,

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't need to because its impossible.
Incorrect. It is not impossible, therefore you DO need to.

And its impossible to prove the earth round too.
Incorrect once again. The earth is undoubtedly round and has been conclusively proven to be so. Ignorance != lack of evidence

Or that my hair is brown.
This is the stupedest of all three comments. This is quite simple to prove, even scientifically. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Or really anything outside of mathematics.
Your final comment is irrelevant.


Good job using many words to say nothing. Well done.
Fine, you won't have any issue with proving a Round Earth right here in this thread then?

Proving it is easy.
Getting anyone who doesn't believe it's round to accept said proof is not easy.
If you give a proof for something in reality I'd be more than happy to accept it.  Because its impossible.

Because what is impossible?  That the Earth is round?
Proving it.

And that is why it's impossible to prove it to you: Because you think it's impossible to happen.  I hope you see the flaw in that logic.  It's the same as the God argument: It's impossible to prove or disprove God thus God must exist.   ::)
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2010, 05:52:12 PM »
In your FAQ, it states that the Earth is 24,900 miles across.  Now, making some rough adjustments, let's say, measuring across the North Pole, that the distance from Sydney, Australia to Buenos Aires is around 20,000 miles.  A ballpark figure from looking at a flat Earth model.  Now, at a speed of 530MPH, this trip would take a little more than 37 non-stop hours.  However, the flight is made, going in a curve, over the Pacific ocean, in a matter of about 14 hours.  Now, this route would be a longer than flying directly over the North Pole, yet takes less time than it would take to make the trip using the shorter route.

Here's a rough diagram.



Anyone want to try and explain this one?
This thread has been derailed.  No one has even attempted to answer my original question.
This is my main problem with an FE map actually.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2010, 06:23:24 PM »
I can do it easily.  Its just not worth my time.  If its worth yours go for it.  I have work to do.   Believe it or not, my day job is not rewriting Google Maps for a random person on an internet forum.

They would match up fine.

And here is your logic flaw.

Yes, mapping GE to a cube is fine, all that it would do is change it from a sphere, but it would still have all the same properties as the sphere model

Mapping it to a flat plane is where They wouldn't match up fine.

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2010, 08:17:05 PM »

You are right,

Thank you, kind sir.

I don't need to because its impossible.
Incorrect. It is not impossible, therefore you DO need to.

And its impossible to prove the earth round too.
Incorrect once again. The earth is undoubtedly round and has been conclusively proven to be so. Ignorance != lack of evidence

Or that my hair is brown.
This is the stupedest of all three comments. This is quite simple to prove, even scientifically. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Or really anything outside of mathematics.
Your final comment is irrelevant.


Good job using many words to say nothing. Well done.
Fine, you won't have any issue with proving a Round Earth right here in this thread then?

Proving it is easy.
Getting anyone who doesn't believe it's round to accept said proof is not easy.
If you give a proof for something in reality I'd be more than happy to accept it.  Because its impossible.

Because what is impossible?  That the Earth is round?
Proving it.

And that is why it's impossible to prove it to you: Because you think it's impossible to happen.  I hope you see the flaw in that logic.  It's the same as the God argument: It's impossible to prove or disprove God thus God must exist.   ::)
Its impossible to prove to anyone regardless of what I or they think about the likelihood that it is true.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2010, 08:18:33 PM »
I can do it easily.  Its just not worth my time.  If its worth yours go for it.  I have work to do.   Believe it or not, my day job is not rewriting Google Maps for a random person on an internet forum.

They would match up fine.

And here is your logic flaw.

Yes, mapping GE to a cube is fine, all that it would do is change it from a sphere, but it would still have all the same properties as the sphere model

Mapping it to a flat plane is where They wouldn't match up fine.
They would match up fine if you account for all the non-imaged areas such as the oceans which make up the vast majority of the planet.  In addition your original argument is flawed - just because you can piece together the images to make a sphere doesn't mean you can't do it to make any other shape.
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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2010, 08:20:13 PM »
I can do it easily.  Its just not worth my time.  If its worth yours go for it.  I have work to do.   Believe it or not, my day job is not rewriting Google Maps for a random person on an internet forum.

They would match up fine.

And here is your logic flaw.

Yes, mapping GE to a cube is fine, all that it would do is change it from a sphere, but it would still have all the same properties as the sphere model

Mapping it to a flat plane is where They wouldn't match up fine.
They would match up fine if you account for all the non-imaged areas such as the oceans which make up the vast majority of the planet.  In addition your original argument is flawed - just because you can piece together the images to make a sphere doesn't mean you can't do it to make any other shape.
Sever distortion and warping of images is not acceptable. k?

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Re: How is this possible???
« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2010, 08:21:55 PM »
I can do it easily.  Its just not worth my time.  If its worth yours go for it.  I have work to do.   Believe it or not, my day job is not rewriting Google Maps for a random person on an internet forum.

They would match up fine.

And here is your logic flaw.

Yes, mapping GE to a cube is fine, all that it would do is change it from a sphere, but it would still have all the same properties as the sphere model

Mapping it to a flat plane is where They wouldn't match up fine.
They would match up fine if you account for all the non-imaged areas such as the oceans which make up the vast majority of the planet.  In addition your original argument is flawed - just because you can piece together the images to make a sphere doesn't mean you can't do it to make any other shape.
Sever distortion and warping of images is not acceptable. k?
If that is not acceptable then Google Earth can't do it any better.
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