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« on: August 10, 2006, 06:55:15 AM »
Ferdinand Magellan Sets Sail to Circumnavigate Globe (1519)
Magellan's expedition sailed down the South American coast, through the Straight of Magellan, and across the Pacific Ocean, which Magellan himself named. The voyage proved definitively the roundness of the earth and revealed the Americas as a new world, separate from Asia. Though Magellan is often credited with being the first to circle the globe, he himself died in the Philippines and never returned to Europe.

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2006, 07:06:58 AM »
you can sail around all the continents on a flat earth just as well as a round one.

the continents and oceans are still there. just sitting on a plate rather than stuck to a ball.

happy anniversary Magellan! you died on a boat.
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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2006, 07:10:00 AM »
Circumnavigation is entirely possible on a Flat Earth. Check out "Voliva's Flat Earth Map" in the FEIR to see what I mean.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2006, 07:20:21 AM »
:?<Bangs head against brick wall>

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2006, 09:23:52 AM »
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
Circumnavigation is entirely possible on a Flat Earth. Check out "Voliva's Flat Earth Map" in the FEIR to see what I mean.


Please look up in a dictionary what "circumnavigation" implies.

I really don't understand how you could have said that... what else could the prefix CIRCUM imply? Obviously it implies FLAT in your mind. But to everyone else I believe it might have, a circular/round definition.

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2006, 11:49:48 AM »
Okay, I don't believe in FE theory, but on the FE map, circumnavigation is still entirely possible as Dogplatter said. You're just moving in a circle, instead of around a sphere. You really should take a look at that map. Then you'll understand.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2006, 11:52:43 AM »
Contrary to popular belief, the flat earth theory states that the earth is in fact round, if by round you mean circular, but not round, if by round you mean spherical.

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2006, 12:25:19 PM »
Round=2d shape=circle, as in circum

spherical=3d shape=sphere

glad we have that settled
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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2006, 01:56:16 PM »
this day in history was august 10th

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2006, 01:57:30 PM »
What about on leap years?
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2006, 04:45:52 AM »
by circumnavigate, the topic starter was implying a spherical Earth, and meant going straight (relative to the ground, not going tangentially off the Earth) (although you might have to divert a bit going around continents, unless you had an aeroplane that had enough range), and then coming back to where you started.


to "circumnavigate" the earth if it were flat, you'd have to be constantly turning left or right
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2006, 05:38:24 AM »
Makes sense to me.

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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2006, 06:37:52 AM »
Quote from: "An_Atheist"

to "circumnavigate" the earth if it were flat, you'd have to be constantly turning left or right


The only navigational frame of reference you would be using in circumnavigation would be compass directions/magnetic directions, and since "east" and "west" are circular, you'd follow what you thought was a straight course, but was, in fact not.
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2006, 07:03:44 AM »
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
Quote from: "An_Atheist"

to "circumnavigate" the earth if it were flat, you'd have to be constantly turning left or right


The only navigational frame of reference you would be using in circumnavigation would be compass directions/magnetic directions, and since "east" and "west" are circular, you'd follow what you thought was a straight course, but was, in fact not.


Navigators, then and now, don't only use the compass to navigate from, but also the stars, the sun, the moon, the planets and (in modern days) GPS. I think you would discover if you were turning.
t's round, guys. Get over it.

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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2006, 07:05:27 AM »
Playing devil's advocate here:

You can circumnavigate on a FE model. The earth is in a circular shape. It's just a flat circle. You still go around it.

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2006, 08:20:10 AM »
Wizardess:  Yea, thanks we alrady said that, no we have to expalin how someone who thinks they are going straight according to stars etc.  is actually making a wide circle.


It is not something that really works, but it does happen, you can get lost in a desert and you think you are walking straight, but in reality, you will be transcribing a large circle, as one of your legs is undoubtably longer than the other.

Same thing, you think you are going straight, so when you check your instruments to confirm this (be it GPS or Sextant) you see that you are in fact going the way you want to be going.
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2006, 08:20:26 AM »
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
Quote from: "An_Atheist"

to "circumnavigate" the earth if it were flat, you'd have to be constantly turning left or right


The only navigational frame of reference you would be using in circumnavigation would be compass directions/magnetic directions, and since "east" and "west" are circular, you'd follow what you thought was a straight course, but was, in fact not.


I think they would notice if their rudder was CONSTANTLY aimed one direction or the other, and as The Monkey said, they didn't only use compasses to navigate.
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2006, 08:53:33 AM »
Quote from: "dysfunction"

The only navigational frame of reference you would be using in circumnavigation would be compass directions/magnetic directions, and since "east" and "west" are circular, you'd follow what you thought was a straight course, but was, in fact not.


I think they would notice if their rudder was CONSTANTLY aimed one direction or the other, and as The Monkey said, they didn't only use compasses to navigate.[/quote]

The Earth is thousands of miles in diameter. Would you really notice such a small change over such a long period of time?
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2006, 09:30:13 AM »
Perhaps not. However, the point that they did not solely use compasses for navigation still stands.
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2006, 05:14:57 PM »
Quote from: "dysfunction"
Perhaps not. However, the point that they did not solely use compasses for navigation still stands.


No, but if the stars are orbiting us (I saw this claim just before in a thread about star-trails) then they wouldn't be staying in the same place (for navigational purposes) anyway...

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2006, 12:05:25 AM »
suppose you had a GPS, and you "circumnavigated" a flat earth (not that a GPS would work in the pacific ocean if the Earth were flat, but let's ignore that)
you'd have to do something like this:

always turning.

if you flew a plane around the spherical Earth, with the aid of a GPS (so you were always going straight) it would look like my picture before. you don't turn relative to the ground. only vertically, following the Earth's curve.
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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2006, 03:44:55 AM »
It would be fine if that were the case but unfortunately even the FE's cannot seem to agree on the actual shape of the Earth. Dogplatter maintains that it is a disc thosands of miles in diameter and yet the most learned of FE's, Dionysios, maintains it is rectangular in shape and has even provided a link to an ancient map.

http://www.henry-davis.com/MAPS/EMwebpages/202.html

In that particular model you would have to make 4 sharp left or right hand turns in order to go around the thing.
Or am I missing something here?

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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2006, 06:51:24 AM »
so what this map is effectively saying that we all still live under the roman empire?

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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2006, 02:38:35 PM »
Well you'd have to take that up with Dionysios, he's the one with all the information!