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answer this, smart one
« on: April 14, 2010, 01:59:12 AM »
 round earthers are always asking smarmy unthaught out questions (im not saying this is unthaught out, but i would liek to be enlightened none the less), ok so here it is:
the world is apparently spherical (in your opinion) and its a ball because this thing this force name gravity just happens to pull everything togethe...r and it is generated by a mass, so there is gravity which comes form the earth and the earth pulls everything to its centre of mass, as is the nature of said gravity, this force is so powerful it stops people and animal and cars etc from falling off into space it even holds the ocean in place(a great feat) so how the fuck do these tectonic plates get the urge to go against the millions and billions of neutons of friction they are experiancing and say screw you to gravity by moving and colliding into each other?
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Re: answer this, smart one
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 02:02:05 AM »
Last I checked, tectonic processes don't oppose gravity.
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 02:12:01 AM »
sowhat causes them to collide into one another when there is an overwhelming force called gravity which is meant to hold them and pull them to the earths centre of mass. by moving in a direction contradictive to the apparent downward force is defying gravity, when we walk in a line we defy gravity, tectonic plates do not have legs, your stupid little response shows a lack of thaught which i suppose i expect from peopel like you.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 02:15:08 AM »
They are effected by gravity as they float on motlen rock. Also, they are not flying off into outer space.  The reason they move is because of heat currents in the magma.
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Quote from: hallsofvallhalla on July 07, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
Why do we fall back to earth? Because our weight pushes us down, no laws, no gravity pulling us. It is the law of intelligence.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 02:22:08 AM »
Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:12:01 AM
sowhat causes them to collide into one another when there is an overwhelming force called gravity which is meant to hold them and pull them to the earths centre of mass. by moving in a direction contradictive to the apparent downward force is defying gravity

When plates move, they don't move directly up, contradicting the pull of gravity. Even if they did (For whatever reason) this would only indicate an imbalance of forces. The force of weight (A force applied when a mass is accelerated, ie, earth/you (FE/RE)) is not an over-riding-always-pulling-everything-downwards-all-the-time force. Things can oppose gravity easily, and do so all the time. When aeroplanes fly, they seem to oppose gravity quite easily. I don't see the issue in understanding this concept.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:12:01 AM
when we walk in a line we defy gravity,

No we don't. I don't know about you, but I walk along the surface of earth. Not directly away from it. You might have superhuman abilities, but this doesn't mean they can be applied to everyone. Walking along the surface of earth in no way defies gravity. Tectonic processes in no way defy gravity unless they are forced up, (which we see often when we look at mountains, or even landmasses themselves). Tectonic processes also move laterally, not vertically. They therefore do not defy gravity.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:12:01 AM
tectonic plates do not have legs, your stupid little response shows a lack of thaught which i suppose i expect from peopel like you.
lol. ur dum.

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 02:25:23 AM »
Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:12:01 AM
your stupid little response shows a lack of thaught which i suppose i expect from peopel like you.

These boards are not meant for insulting people.  That said, your spelling seems symptomatic of the poor understanding of Earth sciences you are showing.  If you don't know how to spell 'thought' or 'people', I get the feeling this sort of science may be well beyond your understanding. 
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Quote from: hallsofvallhalla on July 07, 2010, 01:06:43 PM
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM »
yes it is defying gravity, by moving in any direction besides to the centre of the earth is to resist(defy) gravity, and for a matter of fact you dont have to a superhuman to jump into the air (that is still defying gravity). "this would only indicate an imbalance of forces" gravity is obviously as old as the earth and the gravity generated by the earth works to correct this imbalnced force by holding everything equally to the centre to create a ball. this correction of imbalanced forces has been taking place over millions of years, shouldt it have worked by now? "Things can oppose gravity easily, and do so all the time. When aeroplanes fly, they seem to oppose gravity quite easily" areoplanes are built and designed to fly in the air, thesethigns which defy gravity such as an areoplane does (or a person jumping into the air) are not bound by the earth. we can jump into the air because we have legs, which can generate a large enough force upon the surface of the earth to thrust us upwards, planes a boyant in the air because they have huge engines wich power proplellers which are aided by huge wings which are built to float. what gives the 'plates' this ability to yes defy the pull of gravity. understand the concept yet. perhaps you cant because you are just a fat penguin unable to jump into the air.  
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 02:49:39 AM »
Quote from: Mr Pseudonym on April 14, 2010, 02:15:08 AM
They are effected by gravity as they float on motlen rock. Also, they are not flying off into outer space.  The reason they move is because of heat currents in the magma.
this reply is just for you cos i could not deal with it with the others, ok now go get a cup of water put it in a vacuum or anywhere without wind etc, drop in like a leaf or summin, leaveit alone and realise that it doesnt move. ok then when you see thie boil the water and see that it flaps everywhere, so now go get a rock, drop it in the cup, boil the water, the rock still doesnt move, magma no matter how hot wont do shit.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 03:39:29 AM »
Contract Feral - I strongly suggest aquiring yourself an education in Science. It would greatly help you to advance your understanding on everything, including advancing your OWN theories.

If you want to use the known laws of Physics ( regardless of where they are supposedly active or not) - against RE'rs - you should first learn to understand the theory yourself.

You are trying to suggest that the law of physics as YOU understand it defies the way YOU think the Earth is influenced by physics, and how it is contradictory.

This basic understanding will save you from looking like a prize fool, and being taunted on forums such as this - Your current behaviour will only lead to playground bickering, and not get anyones understanding advanced or recognised.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 04:28:27 AM »
Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:49:39 AM
Quote from: Mr Pseudonym on April 14, 2010, 02:15:08 AM
They are effected by gravity as they float on motlen rock. Also, they are not flying off into outer space.  The reason they move is because of heat currents in the magma.
this reply is just for you cos i could not deal with it with the others, ok now go get a cup of water put it in a vacuum or anywhere without wind etc, drop in like a leaf or summin, leaveit alone and realise that it doesnt move. ok then when you see thie boil the water and see that it flaps everywhere, so now go get a rock, drop it in the cup, boil the water, the rock still doesnt move, magma no matter how hot wont do shit.

Water boils at 212 F and if you put a  light-weight rock in the cup, it would move some in the forces created from the boiling water.  Lava has been measured to be between 1300 F and 2400 F and it lava isnt 'rocks in water' as your example states.  It is just a huge body of liquid/solid substance circulating in the earth and as pressures build up because of the earth's surface moving, sometimes it is forced upwards because that force is greater than gravity and any other downward force.

Learn physics by either reading about it on wikipedia and other online sources or go check out a few books at the library.  If an object has more force pushing it upwards than all the combined forces pulling down on it, it will go up.  And you could picture plate tectonics as 'defying gravity' by considering the following example.  Imagine a bunch of leaves on the surface of a lake.  If the lake is big enough, there will be tidal movements of the water.  The leaves covering the surface of the lake will all be moving.  This is similar to plate tectonics except that instead of thousands or millions of leaves, there is just a dozen or two huge chunks of rock that float top of moving magma.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 06:13:01 AM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on April 14, 2010, 02:02:05 AM
Last I checked, tectonic processes don't oppose gravity.

Last I checked, neutrons weren't units of friction.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 08:29:55 AM »
The plates don't move just because they want to.  If you examine a mid ocean ridge (such as the one discovered via sonar during WWII in the Atlantic Ocean), you will see basaltic volcanic activity gradually creating oceanic crust.  This process is pushing either side of the ridge outwards, causing the ocean to spread apart.  In turn, subduction, plate movement, etc. occur.  This is not the only force that drives tectonic plate movement.  Convection in the mantle can also do this to continental crust.

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/seafloor_spreading.gif

That image is a simple diagram of how this works.  Or, instead of asking around on forums in a hostile manner, you could check out a geology book on this topic from your local library to see what the hardcore science is all about.
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 09:13:36 AM »
Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 01:59:12 AM
round earthers are always asking smarmy unthaught out questions (im not saying this is unthaught out, but i would liek to be enlightened none the less), ok so here it is:
the world is apparently spherical (in your opinion) and its a ball because this thing this force name gravity just happens to pull everything togethe...r and it is generated by a mass, so there is gravity which comes form the earth and the earth pulls everything to its centre of mass, as is the nature of said gravity, this force is so powerful it stops people and animal and cars etc from falling off into space it even holds the ocean in place(a great feat) so how the fuck do these tectonic plates get the urge to go against the millions and billions of neutons of friction they are experiancing and say screw you to gravity by moving and colliding into each other?

Dear god this was painful to read..

First off; gravity is the weakest of the 4 basic forces.

Plate tectonics occur because of convection; also, as mentioned earlier, there are certain points on the earth's crust in which "new" (recycled) crust is being created.  The creation of this crust pushes the rest of the plate away from the area in which is created; thus the cycle begins.

The crust is effectively floating on top of the mantle due to differentiation in density of the two masses... as you move deeper, the pressure and temperature increase which in turn causes the heated (and more fluid) material to rise and eventually make its way to the surface (ex. mid-atlantic ocean rift).

That is all you need to know...
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 01:10:08 PM »
Wow is THIS a horrible thread.

I think the simplest explination is best...

The gravity of the Earth causes all objects at the surface to accelerate towards the center at 9.8m/s^2.  That means for every second you can move downwards, you'll be going 9.8m/s faster.  So if you jump out of a airplane at 1,000 m in the sky (or 1KM) you'll hit the ground going at a speed of 139.994 m/s in 14 seconds. 

That being said, anything that applies MORE force upwards than gravity is applying downwards would cause the object to go up until the force is stopped.  So for your jumping example:
I jump.  When I do, I'm applying more force to jump up than the Earth is applying to pull me down.  But I can't sustain this force so the Earth eventually slows my speed and I fall right back down.  Rockets apply a constant force that is more than the force of gravity.  As such, they can get far enough away so the effects of Gravity are lighter.

Now, that being said, plate tectonics.
When you have molten rock pushing a large chunk of rock, the large chunk of rock is eventually going to move.  The most notable way to see a plate moving are volcanos.  They are pressure points that spew up new rock.  Volcanoes at fault lines not only spew lava but cause more rock to form (when the lava cools), resulting in the two plates being pushed away from each other.  The US and Europe is moving at I think 2inches every year away from each other. 
And when one plate moves away, it must bump into another plate.  This causes grinding.

Best way to illustrate this is to take small stacks of paper and push them into each other.  The force of that push is grater than the pull of Gravity down.  This is why you have Earth Quakes and mountains.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 01:22:00 PM »
Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
yes it is defying gravity, by moving in any direction besides to the centre of the earth is to resist(defy) gravity,

Wrong. Defying gravity means it is going in the opposite direction. Gravity doesn't stop anything from moving sideways. All it does is provide a constant downwards pull of a certain magnatude. It doesn't magically stop everything in its tracks. In order to do that it would have to have an infinite pull in all diirections. It doesn't...

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
and for a matter of fact you dont have to a superhuman to jump into the air (that is still defying gravity).

I didn't say you had to be superhuman to 'jump'. I said you had to be superhuman to walk in a direction directly opposite to the pull of gravity. This means 'up'.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
"this would only indicate an imbalance of forces" gravity is obviously as old as the earth and the gravity generated by the earth works to correct this imbalnced force by holding everything equally to the centre to create a ball. this correction of imbalanced forces has been taking place over millions of years, shouldt it have worked by now?

Since when is gravity's purpose to stop everything from moving? As I said, all it does is pull down. This in no way mean everything should stop moving. It is a constant pull in one direction. If you'd learnt any physics in high school, you should know about imbalanced forces and how easy it is to overcome gravity. It isn't supposed to be impossible.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
"Things can oppose gravity easily, and do so all the time. When aeroplanes fly, they seem to oppose gravity quite easily" areoplanes are built and designed to fly in the air, thesethigns which defy gravity such as an areoplane does (or a person jumping into the air) are not bound by the earth.

If they aren't bound by earth, why do you keep saying that they should be? According to you reasoning, all things on earth should be stuck and not move at all. Why can we jump, or why can airplanes fly if they are supposed to be stuck? Your logic is flawed. Many things overcome gravity simply by applying a force upwards greater than the force applied by it's own weight. It isn't difficult. Once again, simple physics.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
we can jump into the air because we have legs, which can generate a large enough force upon the surface of the earth to thrust us upwards,

Correct. So why is it that you think all things should be stuck in place? All they need to do is apply more 'up' force than the gravitty's 'down' force. It seems you have answered your own stupid question.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
planes a boyant in the air because they have huge engines wich power proplellers which are aided by huge wings which are built to float.


Gliders don't have engines. They defy gravity.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
what gives the 'plates' this ability to yes defy the pull of gravity.
Molten magma moving around under the surface pushes the plates sideways. That doesn't defy gravity.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
understand the concept yet.

I understand perfectly well. That's why I'm here explaining it to you. You're the one with the problem.

Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
perhaps you cant because you are just a fat penguin unable to jump into the air.  
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2010, 03:11:28 PM »
Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 02:39:22 AM
yes it is defying gravity, by moving in any direction besides to the centre of the earth is to resist(defy) gravity, and for a matter of fact you dont have to a superhuman to jump into the air (that is still defying gravity). "this would only indicate an imbalance of forces" gravity is obviously as old as the earth and the gravity generated by the earth works to correct this imbalnced force by holding everything equally to the centre to create a ball. this correction of imbalanced forces has been taking place over millions of years, shouldt it have worked by now? "Things can oppose gravity easily, and do so all the time. When aeroplanes fly, they seem to oppose gravity quite easily" areoplanes are built and designed to fly in the air, thesethigns which defy gravity such as an areoplane does (or a person jumping into the air) are not bound by the earth. we can jump into the air because we have legs, which can generate a large enough force upon the surface of the earth to thrust us upwards, planes a boyant in the air because they have huge engines wich power proplellers which are aided by huge wings which are built to float. what gives the 'plates' this ability to yes defy the pull of gravity. understand the concept yet. perhaps you cant because you are just a fat penguin unable to jump into the air.  


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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2010, 03:28:18 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2010, 03:34:50 PM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on April 14, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
I didn't say you had to be superhuman to 'jump'. I said you had to be superhuman to walk in a direction directly opposite to the pull of gravity. This means 'up'.



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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2010, 03:49:21 PM »
Quote from: Its a Sphere on April 14, 2010, 03:34:50 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on April 14, 2010, 01:22:00 PM
I didn't say you had to be superhuman to 'jump'. I said you had to be superhuman to walk in a direction directly opposite to the pull of gravity. This means 'up'.



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Walking != climbing a ladder. I understand perfectly well how gravity can be overcome. He seems to think that walking the very act of walking itself, defys gravity.
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2010, 03:49:57 PM »
Quote from: Lord Wilmore on April 14, 2010, 03:11:28 PM

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2010, 03:59:38 PM »
He is walking up the ladder.

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2010, 04:14:11 PM »
Quote from: Its a Sphere on April 14, 2010, 03:59:38 PM
He is walking up the ladder.
Stop being a douche. He's talking about walking along the surface of the earth laterally. Pedanticness is next to Parsifalness.
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2010, 07:57:41 PM »
these forums are so fun, ooooh im warned from posting on a site that is complete bogus lol, oooh. go on ban me that will help people believe the world is flat, my argument is just as stupid as every other one that you flat earthers come up with, hey you know there is anotehr society called the hollow earth society, yeah no shit aye, go talk to them that would be interesting, all this site is good for is a good laugh, spelling words increctly, making up new words and telling people stupid physics stuffthat doesnt work,  you cant possibly believe that the earth is flat. hey the physisics we have doesnt work so weel make up new physics hmm that makes sense. derh derh derh i think the earth is flat. then end.
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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2010, 07:59:25 PM »
Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 07:57:41 PM
these forums are so fun, ooooh im warned from posting on a site that is complete bogus lol, oooh. go on ban me that will help people believe the world is flat, my argument is just as stupid as every other one that you flat earthers come up with, hey you know there is anotehr society called the hollow earth society, yeah no shit aye, go talk to them that would be interesting, all this site is good for is a good laugh, spelling words increctly, making up new words and telling people stupid physics stuffthat doesnt work,  you cant possibly believe that the earth is flat. hey the physisics we have doesnt work so weel make up new physics hmm that makes sense. derh derh derh i think the earth is flat. then end.
Wait, so if you don't believe in a flat earth, why were you being such a fag about the explanations I was giving you?
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2010, 08:05:35 PM »
Quote from: contract_feral on April 14, 2010, 07:57:41 PM
these forums are so fun, ooooh im warned from posting on a site that is complete bogus lol, oooh. go on ban me that will help people believe the world is flat, my argument is just as stupid as every other one that you flat earthers come up with, hey you know there is anotehr society called the hollow earth society, yeah no shit aye, go talk to them that would be interesting, all this site is good for is a good laugh, spelling words increctly, making up new words and telling people stupid physics stuffthat doesnt work,  you cant possibly believe that the earth is flat. hey the physisics we have doesnt work so weel make up new physics hmm that makes sense. derh derh derh i think the earth is flat. then end.
I always thought obvious troll is obvious.  Spelling is a give away.
Nonetheless, the earth is flat and there are people here who truly believe it.  If you take a truly zetitic mindset you might think the same yourself.  Or are still believing everything brainwashed into you since highschool?
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2010, 04:21:45 AM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on April 14, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
Quote from: Its a Sphere on April 14, 2010, 03:59:38 PM
He is walking up the ladder.
Stop being a douche. He's talking about walking along the surface of the earth laterally. Pedanticness is next to Parsifalness.

So all components of your gait are completely parallel to the surface of the Earth? 
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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2010, 01:46:46 PM »
Quote from: Its a Sphere on April 15, 2010, 04:21:45 AM
Quote from: 2fst4u on April 14, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
Quote from: Its a Sphere on April 14, 2010, 03:59:38 PM
He is walking up the ladder.
Stop being a douche. He's talking about walking along the surface of the earth laterally. Pedanticness is next to Parsifalness.

So all components of your gait are completely parallel to the surface of the Earth? 
What?
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2010, 06:09:30 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2010, 06:51:17 PM »
Quote from: Its a Sphere on April 15, 2010, 06:09:30 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on April 15, 2010, 01:46:46 PM
What?
vector components
I know what you're referring to, and I understand all elements of the quoted post, but what evades me is the reasoning behind all of your posts...

Why are you arguing the fact that walking doesn't defy gravity? Are you mentally retarded?
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2010, 04:08:30 AM »
Quote from: 2fst4u on April 15, 2010, 06:51:17 PM
Quote from: Its a Sphere on April 15, 2010, 06:09:30 PM
Quote from: 2fst4u on April 15, 2010, 01:46:46 PM
What?
vector components
I know what you're referring to, and I understand all elements of the quoted post, but what evades me is the reasoning behind all of your posts...

Why are you arguing the fact that walking doesn't defy gravity? Are you mentally retarded?

a: it does
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Quote from: Its a Sphere on April 14, 2010, 03:34:50 PM
Stop being baited....
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Quote from: Tom Bishop on April 19, 2010, 06:34:31 AM
"We know that the sun is 93 million miles away and takes up 5 degrees of the sky.
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