Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2010, 11:32:04 PM »
Why the sun appears to rise and set as it does...
From the FAQ:

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it's disappearing because everything gets smaller, and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

If that was the case the sun would never get anywhere near the horizontal (it would have to be literally at the base of the disk to appear that way). It would simply slowly fade away with distance into an increasing smaller dot midway in the sky. As it stands, the dot is far too massive at all times.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2010, 04:02:27 AM »
Reading the Wiki was only half of my instructions.

An Lurking would accomplish about as much a the wiki.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2010, 05:37:07 AM »
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2010, 05:52:24 AM »
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'

An even better title would be "Things that wouldn't happen if the earth was flat"
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2010, 06:55:00 AM »
Add-On

- The frequent movements (not just the act of rising and setting) of our star.
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2010, 07:00:14 AM »
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'

Your definition of 'evidence' appears to be 'sources and people that agree with me'.
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2010, 10:15:32 AM »
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'

Typical FEer. Doesn't want to begin to explain the flaws in FET. The list at the top Wilmore is a genuine list of things NOT explained by FET. But I guess 'ignorance is bliss' as they say.

Why the sun appears to rise and set as it does...
From the FAQ:

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it's disappearing because everything gets smaller, and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

If that was the case the sun would never get anywhere near the horizontal (it would have to be literally at the base of the disk to appear that way). It would simply slowly fade away with distance into an increasing smaller dot midway in the sky. As it stands, the dot is far too massive at all times.

The other thing is that the Sun ALWAYS appears round and of course we know that the sun doesn't get significantly smaller as it sets, so it can't be moving further away to anything like the degree that FET requires.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2010, 11:15:32 AM »
Add-on

Explain why would private individuals that explored Antarctica not report of the ice wall. They have no reason to continue the "conspiracy" and would actually make tons of money by exposing it and bringing back pictures. What? Is every single person that visits Antarctica given a sum of money and told to be quiet? If thats the case.... I want money... I want to go to Antarctica and get free money.
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2010, 01:26:06 PM »
Add-on

Explain why would private individuals that explored Antarctica not report of the ice wall. They have no reason to continue the "conspiracy" and would actually make tons of money by exposing it and bringing back pictures. What? Is every single person that visits Antarctica given a sum of money and told to be quiet? If thats the case.... I want money... I want to go to Antarctica and get free money.

I've been to Antarctica many times....didn't get a penny and damn is it cold.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2010, 01:48:17 PM »
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'
Proper as in makes sense and is actually backed up.Or at the very least consistant with the FE model
Psuedolites is backed up by nothing,neither is Midnight sun.
The Suns power source is never even given.
What could power a 32 Mile wide sun for millions of years?
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2010, 01:57:29 PM »

What could power a 32 Mile wide sun for millions of years?

It's plugged in somewhere! It is a spotlight after all.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2010, 01:58:00 PM »
Add-on

Explain why would private individuals that explored Antarctica not report of the ice wall. They have no reason to continue the "conspiracy" and would actually make tons of money by exposing it and bringing back pictures. What? Is every single person that visits Antarctica given a sum of money and told to be quiet? If thats the case.... I want money... I want to go to Antarctica and get free money.

I've been to Antarctica many times....didn't get a penny and damn is it cold.

Ah, but according to the FES's usual problem with evidence - you must give me a journal of your time there, pictures, an GPS log of the GPS locator implanted in your left thigh, an account of a nurse taking a sample of your blood while there (enclose blood work and pictures - preferably with awesome thumbs-up pose), and then actually say there is indeed an ice wall for them to believe you.
 

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2010, 02:00:31 PM »
This thread is stupid. Your definition of 'proper' appears to be 'enough to satisfy me'. Maybe you need to consider whether the proble is the explanation, or the person reading it.


In other words, a better title  for this thread would be 'Things yet to be understood(at all) by RE'ers'
Proper as in makes sense and is actually backed up.Or at the very least consistant with the FE model
Psuedolites is backed up by nothing,neither is Midnight sun.
The Suns power source is never even given.
What could power a 32 Mile wide sun for millions of years?


Well they don't believe in nuclear fusion or fision...... so..... its God? And he decides what the seasons are.. I guess? With the angle of sunlight?
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2010, 02:28:34 PM »
And what about sunspots?
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2010, 02:33:01 PM »
And what about sunspots?

Sometimes interstellar moths get caught up in the spotlight. Sunspots are what's left of the fried carcasses. True story.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2010, 03:39:15 PM »
What about plate tectonics, the core, and magnetism?
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2010, 03:43:25 PM »
And what about sunspots?

Sometimes interstellar moths get caught up in the spotlight. Sunspots are what's left of the fried carcasses. True story.

I feel bad for the poor moths.
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2010, 04:40:38 PM »
And what about sunspots?

Sometimes interstellar moths get caught up in the spotlight. Sunspots are what's left of the fried carcasses. True story.

Too funny lol.

What about plate tectonics, the core, and magnetism?

Yeah I haven't thrown the tectonic plate science at them yet.....they haven't got past nautical mapping. How will they begin to understand plate movements and earth geology.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2010, 09:47:23 PM »
And what about sunspots?

Sometimes interstellar moths get caught up in the spotlight. Sunspots are what's left of the fried carcasses. True story.

Too funny lol.

What about plate tectonics, the core, and magnetism?

Yeah I haven't thrown the tectonic plate science at them yet.....they haven't got past nautical mapping. How will they begin to understand plate movements and earth geology.

At one point I was tempted to tell them that the deep roots of mountain chains, and eclogite roots on some cratons, would account nicely with the observed gravity anomalies much better than an unexplainable 'lopsided UA'. Something tells me they would call BS on that one though.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2010, 10:12:57 PM »

At one point I was tempted to tell them that the deep roots of mountain chains, and eclogite roots on some cratons, would account nicely with the observed gravity anomalies much better than an unexplainable 'lopsided UA'. Something tells me they would call BS on that one though.

I agree (esp given the depth of some cratons), but why do any work for them? They clearly are more focused on whats above the crust than below it and will have no idea what you are talking about anyway.


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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2010, 11:01:54 PM »

At one point I was tempted to tell them that the deep roots of mountain chains, and eclogite roots on some cratons, would account nicely with the observed gravity anomalies much better than an unexplainable 'lopsided UA'. Something tells me they would call BS on that one though.

I agree (esp given the depth of some cratons), but why do any work for them? They clearly are more focused on whats above the crust than below it and will have no idea what you are talking about anyway.



Yeah. Personally, I think the fact that it takes longer to fly from the UK to Sydney, than from Sydney to the bottom tip of South America to be unquestionably damning to the FE cause. But at some deeper, pathetic level, attacking an argument with absolutely no rational merit manages to have some satisfaction.
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #51 on: April 09, 2010, 10:17:37 AM »
Well just look at how Wilmore's behaving is other threads. He's completely spitting the dummy on the distances thing. They have some explanation for the 'illusion' that make pilots fly where they haven't, but there is no counter-argument to what shipping does on the ground. I personally don't care what shape the planet is, but I do want accurate maps that mariners can sail by. We have them, based on the mathematics of a global earth. Why doesn't FET measure the earth for itself? That's the real question.

I've not seen any serious geological discussion yet, but ice wall thread might be getting there. You mentioned eclogites. I would just love to smash apart any theory that there is a land mass (continental shelf) under the non existent ice wall. Eclogites will come into play then.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2010, 02:30:47 PM »
Updated to include what exactly they need to explain.

Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2010, 10:34:26 AM »
As an Australian, I would like to say - The length of flights to get anywhere is rather sucky :P

Also - I will repeat a question another posted but did not get a response to. If the sun is moving farther away - why does it not get smaller ?

Heck, even the old Fundies were aware that the sun went 'around' - they didn't think it was a spotlight being turned off - or moving farther away into the distance until we can't see it. Come to think of it - I'm fairly sure it would have to move a SERIOUSLY large distance before we would have 'night'.... and if it just moves farther away from one spot on the flat space, to another spot on the same flat space, the planet would have to be alot bigger than we give it credit for.

And how big is the sun... and how bright ? Because obviously they do not believe it to be as big as current science states - nor as hot ( and obviously not fuelled by what we currently believe it is) .. ( this could EASILY be learnt - one need not to enter into NASA to use a local observatory)

I vote also - a Flat Earther should get a plane licence - and fly to the edge of the earth, take some pics of the Ice Wall, and come back - ( along with what I suggested in my own new post)

Problem solved !

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2010, 11:10:20 AM »
In FET, gravity does not exist. That being the case, explain Pluto. Gravitational forces led to it's discovery, what with the odd orbit of Uranus.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2010, 11:16:16 AM »
In FET, gravity does not exist. That being the case, explain Pluto. Gravitational forces led to it's discovery, what with the odd orbit of Uranus.


No, it's even sillier than that. Gravity does exist everywhere else, just not on Earth.  ::)
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #56 on: April 13, 2010, 12:09:00 PM »
In FET, gravity does not exist. That being the case, explain Pluto. Gravitational forces led to it's discovery, what with the odd orbit of Uranus.


No, it's even sillier than that. Gravity does exist everywhere else, just not on Earth.  ::)

Yeah.  They make the reference of "A cat or dog isn't a snake" as an analogy.  To which I question since a cat, dog, and snake are based on the same elements and the rest of the universe is based on the same elements as Earth.  Thus, if they have gravity, we should have gravity.
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2010, 12:21:02 PM »
In FET, gravity does not exist. That being the case, explain Pluto. Gravitational forces led to it's discovery, what with the odd orbit of Uranus.


No, it's even sillier than that. Gravity does exist everywhere else, just not on Earth.  ::)

Yeah.  They make the reference of "A cat or dog isn't a snake" as an analogy.  To which I question since a cat, dog, and snake are based on the same elements and the rest of the universe is based on the same elements as Earth.  Thus, if they have gravity, we should have gravity.

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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2010, 04:19:39 AM »
How can we have meteors? Doesn't UA make that kinda impossible?
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Re: Things yet to be explained(Properly) by FET.
« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2010, 05:29:46 PM »
Bumped for lack of disproving.