A brief review of rights and Lincoln.

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A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« on: April 01, 2010, 08:42:33 PM »
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2010, 08:43:48 PM »
I would like to watch this because your threads typically feature interesting content, but until you provide it in a free and open format which permits this I am afraid I will not be able to.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2010, 08:45:06 PM »


Not another Youtube trolling video.  I feel a facepalm coming on.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2010, 08:46:24 PM »
I would like to watch this because your threads typically feature interesting content, but until you provide it in a free and open format which permits this I am afraid I will not be able to.

I thought there was an open source flash plug in for youtube.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2010, 08:47:14 PM »


Not another Youtube trolling video.  I feel a facepalm coming on.

Adding absolutely nothing meaningful to the discussion as usual.  Keep 'em coming.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2010, 08:52:03 PM »
I thought there was an open source flash plug in for youtube.

Whether a program is "open source" or not makes no difference to me; it is a question of practical benefit and not one of ethics, and so is less important than the main issue at stake here.

There does exist a free implementation of Flash, but there are at least three reasons why this is irrelevant, in order from most significant to least significant:

1) A reverse engineered proprietary format is still proprietary. This doesn't fix the root of the problem, it is only a crude workaround.
2) Flash content is programmable using ActionScript. Even if I were to use Gnash to view it, I can't be sure it isn't running proprietary ActionScript on my machine.
3) Gnash is still in beta, and therefore does not have full support for Flash yet. Many videos won't play back at all, and when they do they are often quite jerky.

For these reasons, I have my Mozilla Gnash plugin disabled (though it is installed).
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2010, 09:00:15 PM »
This thread is about something else than what a primadona's needs are. Don't feed the troll.

Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2010, 09:02:15 PM »
I thought there was an open source flash plug in for youtube.

Whether a program is "open source" or not makes no difference to me; it is a question of practical benefit and not one of ethics, and so is less important than the main issue at stake here.

There does exist a free implementation of Flash, but there are at least three reasons why this is irrelevant, in order from most significant to least significant:

1) A reverse engineered proprietary format is still proprietary. This doesn't fix the root of the problem, it is only a crude workaround.
2) Flash content is programmable using ActionScript. Even if I were to use Gnash to view it, I can't be sure it isn't running proprietary ActionScript on my machine.
3) Gnash is still in beta, and therefore does not have full support for Flash yet. Many videos won't play back at all, and when they do they are often quite jerky.

For these reasons, I have my Mozilla Gnash plugin disabled (though it is installed).

Okay.
Well, a brief overview of the video is that since the founding fathers of America believed that rights came from God, and school teaches children that rights come from government, our whole society has been undermined.  That's why Lincoln is reveared as (one of) the greatest US presidents, when in reality he caused and waged a war that killed more Americans than all the other wars combined.  All based on the unconstitutional premise of preserving the Union.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2010, 09:06:13 PM »
Okay.
Well, a brief overview of the video is that since the founding fathers of America believed that rights came from God, and school teaches children that rights come from government, our whole society has been undermined.  That's why Lincoln is reveared as (one of) the greatest US presidents, when in reality he caused and waged a war that killed more Americans than all the other wars combined.  All based on the unconstitutional premise of preserving the Union.
The people that were killed by the Army raised by A.L. were not Americans, so it's ok.

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2010, 09:30:02 PM »
This thread is about something else than what a primadona's needs are. Don't feed the troll.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2010, 04:05:24 AM »
I thought there was an open source flash plug in for youtube.

Whether a program is "open source" or not makes no difference to me; it is a question of practical benefit and not one of ethics, and so is less important than the main issue at stake here.

There does exist a free implementation of Flash, but there are at least three reasons why this is irrelevant, in order from most significant to least significant:

1) A reverse engineered proprietary format is still proprietary. This doesn't fix the root of the problem, it is only a crude workaround.
2) Flash content is programmable using ActionScript. Even if I were to use Gnash to view it, I can't be sure it isn't running proprietary ActionScript on my machine.
3) Gnash is still in beta, and therefore does not have full support for Flash yet. Many videos won't play back at all, and when they do they are often quite jerky.

For these reasons, I have my Mozilla Gnash plugin disabled (though it is installed).

Okay.
Well, a brief overview of the video is that since the founding fathers of America believed that rights came from God, and school teaches children that rights come from government, our whole society has been undermined.  That's why Lincoln is reveared as (one of) the greatest US presidents, when in reality he caused and waged a war that killed more Americans than all the other wars combined.  All based on the unconstitutional premise of preserving the Union.
Actually... he is regarded as the Best president in our Nations History. See Penn state and Harvard studies.

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2010, 09:11:31 AM »
I would like to watch this because your threads typically feature interesting content, but until you provide it in a free and open format which permits this I am afraid I will not be able to.

Classic Parsifal right there guys.

Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2010, 12:00:43 PM »
rights do come from the government though. george carlin said some stuff that makes a lot more sense than "god given rights."

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I am intentionally using propietary software specifically so parsifal won't watch it.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2010, 04:44:54 PM »
Actually... he is regarded as the Best president in our Nations History. See Penn state and Harvard studies.

There in lies the problem.
What did he do that was great?
He freed the slaves?  False.
He caused a war that killed more Americans than any other to date?  True.

Well, obviously the definition of greatness is skewed for these 'top' scholars.

Furthermore, it doesn't seem as though you watched the video, you're happy with the evidence you have so far, and that's that.
Books don't lie...the people that write them do.

Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2010, 04:50:37 PM »
He caused a war that killed more Americans than any other to date?  True.
The battle of Gettysburg was fucking epic.

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2010, 05:14:15 PM »
He caused a war that killed more Americans than any other to date?  True.
The battle of Gettysburg was fucking epic.
Picketts charge was moar epic.
Actually... he is regarded as the Best president in our Nations History. See Penn state and Harvard studies.

There in lies the problem.
What did he do that was great?
He freed the slaves?  False.
He caused a war that killed more Americans than any other to date?  True.

Well, obviously the definition of greatness is skewed for these 'top' scholars.

Furthermore, it doesn't seem as though you watched the video, you're happy with the evidence you have so far, and that's that.
Correct. I did not watch what is most likely a biased video.

Who, in your opinion, is the greatest president, and why? Where does Lincoln rank? Thanks for your insightful answers

Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2010, 05:22:36 PM »
He caused a war that killed more Americans than any other to date?  True.
The battle of Gettysburg was fucking epic.
Picketts charge was moar epic.
Picket's charge happened during the last day of the battle of Gettysburg. :-*

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2010, 05:32:48 PM »
He caused a war that killed more Americans than any other to date?  True.
The battle of Gettysburg was fucking epic.
Picketts charge was moar epic.
Picket's charge happened during the last day of the battle of Gettysburg. :-*

Sadly... i knew that.  :'(

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2010, 06:50:30 PM »
rights do come from the government though. george carlin said some stuff that makes a lot more sense than "god given rights."

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I am intentionally using propietary software specifically so parsifal won't watch it.

The software you are using has no relevance to whether I watch that video or not.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2010, 08:30:08 PM »
Actually... he is regarded as the Best president in our Nations History. See Penn state and Harvard studies.

There in lies the problem.
What did he do that was great?
He freed the slaves?  False.
He caused a war that killed more Americans than any other to date?  True.

Well, obviously the definition of greatness is skewed for these 'top' scholars.

Furthermore, it doesn't seem as though you watched the video, you're happy with the evidence you have so far, and that's that.

Don't insult the greatest president in history you little shit.

Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2010, 09:46:37 PM »
Correct. I did not watch what is most likely a biased video.

Who, in your opinion, is the greatest president, and why? Where does Lincoln rank? Thanks for your insightful answers

Well, if you're referencing 'studies' about why Lincoln is the greatest US president, how the hell is that not biased?

I honestly don't have a 'greatest president,' just a worst.  And Lincoln ranks at the lowest of the low.  He is responsible for more American deaths than any other president, and in terms of war, more than all the others combined.
I suppose that if I had to pick a best president off the top of my head, it would be Jefferson Davis.  Of course, he was the president of the Conderate States, and others my not recognize him as a 'president' at all.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2010, 10:40:13 PM »
See guys? This is how you easily pick out a troll and ignore him.

While i may not agree with THE BEST HISTORIANS AT THE TIME WHO FACTORED MORE DATA ON THE PRESIDENTS THAN YOU AND I WILL EVER SIFT THROUGH... i DO think you are a silly little twit.

Take care and please... PM me if you have anything further to say on the subject, as i wil not be checking this thread.

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2010, 10:41:54 PM »
See guys? This is how you easily pick out a troll and ignore him.

We're well aware of how to do that, thanks. We've been putting up with you for years now.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2010, 10:50:05 PM »
See guys? This is how you easily pick out a troll and ignore him.

We're well aware of how to do that, thanks. We've been putting up with you for years now.
Hmmm?

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2010, 10:51:02 PM »
See guys? This is how you easily pick out a troll and ignore him.

We're well aware of how to do that, thanks. We've been putting up with you for years now.
Hmmm?

What happened to:

i wil not be checking this thread.
I'm going to side with the white supremacists.

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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2010, 11:07:07 AM »
See guys? This is how you easily pick out a troll and ignore him.

That's no fun.

Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2010, 01:18:55 PM »
Lincoln did not cause the war. the south saw his election as an attack on the institution of slavery. Remember that the confederates attacked fort sumter, their victory encouraged other states to seccede. Lincoln's goal as president was not to abolish slavery. however, the war it self gave him enough opportuniy to do so.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2010, 01:36:32 PM »
Lincoln did not cause the war. the south saw his election as an attack on the institution of slavery. Remember that the confederates attacked fort sumter, their victory encouraged other states to seccede. Lincoln's goal as president was not to abolish slavery. however, the war it self gave him enough opportuniy to do so.

No, Abe Lincoln was a bad man who killed people!!!!11!!!!one!!!1

Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2010, 04:13:21 PM »
Lincoln did not cause the war. the south saw his election as an attack on the institution of slavery. Remember that the confederates attacked fort sumter, their victory encouraged other states to seccede. Lincoln's goal as president was not to abolish slavery. however, the war it self gave him enough opportuniy to do so.
Wrong on many accounts.
I know it's wikipedia, but it offers a quick reference to what we're talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Sumter#Background

South Carolina demanded their own lands back, and asked for the peaceful removal of US federal troops stationed at Ft. Sumter.  Lincoln refused to recognize the Confederacy thus refusing any peace negotiations.  South Carolina determined the resupplying of Ft. Sumter to be an agression against them, and after hours of negotiation with the federal forces, opened fire first.
In the eyes of many, it's Lincoln's refusal to negotiate with an otherwise peaceful Confederacy that drove the two sides to war.  The last thing the south wanted was war, but they were willing to defend what was rightfully there.

Just because the south fired the first shot, doesn't mean they are responsible for the war.
We can think about the idea in modern-day terms:
We have troops stationed all over the world.  Let's say that the Japanese government decided it no longer wants US troops stationed there, and tells the US to leave.
If the US said, 'screw you, we're not leaving' and proceeded to fortify it's bases there, that would be an obvious act of aggression against the Japanese.
The war could have easily been avoided if Lincoln wasn't a power-hungry dictator that ruled by force.
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Re: A brief review of rights and Lincoln.
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2010, 04:25:35 PM »
Lincoln did not cause the war. the south saw his election as an attack on the institution of slavery. Remember that the confederates attacked fort sumter, their victory encouraged other states to seccede. Lincoln's goal as president was not to abolish slavery. however, the war it self gave him enough opportuniy to do so.
Wrong on many accounts.
I know it's wikipedia, but it offers a quick reference to what we're talking about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Sumter#Background

South Carolina demanded their own lands back, and asked for the peaceful removal of US federal troops stationed at Ft. Sumter.  Lincoln refused to recognize the Confederacy thus refusing any peace negotiations.  South Carolina determined the resupplying of Ft. Sumter to be an agression against them, and after hours of negotiation with the federal forces, opened fire first.
In the eyes of many, it's Lincoln's refusal to negotiate with an otherwise peaceful Confederacy that drove the two sides to war.  The last thing the south wanted was war, but they were willing to defend what was rightfully there.

Just because the south fired the first shot, doesn't mean they are responsible for the war.
We can think about the idea in modern-day terms:
We have troops stationed all over the world.  Let's say that the Japanese government decided it no longer wants US troops stationed there, and tells the US to leave.
If the US said, 'screw you, we're not leaving' and proceeded to fortify it's bases there, that would be an obvious act of aggression against the Japanese.
The war could have easily been avoided if Lincoln wasn't a power-hungry dictator that ruled by force.

So you support the South, who supported slavery?

Failtroll is fail.