ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this

Quote from: poser765 on March 30, 2010, 09:47:04 PM

Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 28, 2010, 10:17:55 AM

Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

It does.  Watch airplanes leaving a contrail.  As the airplane gets farther away from your position on the surface it appears to move closer to the horizon.  Granted some of this is due to perspective, though  ome simple trigonometry should be able to show you how far away the plane has to be in order for it to appear lower.  If you are in an airplane yourself the effect is even more noticeable.  

It isn't that simple to do trigonometry on an aircraft flying through the sky at over 30,000 feet and 600 kilometres per hour.

Why? Is it because of atmospheric pressure affecting the sine function?

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 30, 2010, 09:49:21 PM

Quote from: poser765 on March 30, 2010, 09:47:04 PM

Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 28, 2010, 10:17:55 AM

Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

It does.  Watch airplanes leaving a contrail.  As the airplane gets farther away from your position on the surface it appears to move closer to the horizon.  Granted some of this is due to perspective, though  ome simple trigonometry should be able to show you how far away the plane has to be in order for it to appear lower.  If you are in an airplane yourself the effect is even more noticeable.  

It isn't that simple to do trigonometry on an aircraft flying through the sky at over 30,000 feet and 600 kilometres per hour.

Why? Is it because of atmospheric pressure affecting the sine function?

How do you propose you pause the aircraft in mid-air, then measure how far away it is using methods that will not be affected by bendy light and/or normal RE discrepancies?

Quote from: parsec on March 30, 2010, 09:54:49 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 30, 2010, 09:49:21 PM

Quote from: poser765 on March 30, 2010, 09:47:04 PM

Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 28, 2010, 10:17:55 AM

Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

It does.  Watch airplanes leaving a contrail.  As the airplane gets farther away from your position on the surface it appears to move closer to the horizon.  Granted some of this is due to perspective, though  ome simple trigonometry should be able to show you how far away the plane has to be in order for it to appear lower.  If you are in an airplane yourself the effect is even more noticeable.  

It isn't that simple to do trigonometry on an aircraft flying through the sky at over 30,000 feet and 600 kilometres per hour.

Why? Is it because of atmospheric pressure affecting the sine function?

How do you propose you pause the aircraft in mid-air, then measure how far away it is using methods that will not be affected by bendy light and/or normal RE discrepancies?

Low exposure photography.

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 30, 2010, 09:58:17 PM

Quote from: parsec on March 30, 2010, 09:54:49 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 30, 2010, 09:49:21 PM

Quote from: poser765 on March 30, 2010, 09:47:04 PM

Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 28, 2010, 10:17:55 AM

Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

It does.  Watch airplanes leaving a contrail.  As the airplane gets farther away from your position on the surface it appears to move closer to the horizon.  Granted some of this is due to perspective, though  ome simple trigonometry should be able to show you how far away the plane has to be in order for it to appear lower.  If you are in an airplane yourself the effect is even more noticeable.  

It isn't that simple to do trigonometry on an aircraft flying through the sky at over 30,000 feet and 600 kilometres per hour.

Why? Is it because of atmospheric pressure affecting the sine function?

How do you propose you pause the aircraft in mid-air, then measure how far away it is using methods that will not be affected by bendy light and/or normal RE discrepancies?

Low exposure photography.

How is this going to tell you the distance away from you?

It won't...

By the way the sea is not flat, apart from tides waves and curvature, it also swells when hot air is above it.

I've completely lost track of who believes what anymore 

it also swells when hot air is above it.

No it doesn't.

Quote from: poser765 on March 30, 2010, 09:47:04 PM

Quote from: three-dimensional-world on March 28, 2010, 10:17:55 AM

Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

It does.  Watch airplanes leaving a contrail.  As the airplane gets farther away from your position on the surface it appears to move closer to the horizon.  Granted some of this is due to perspective, though  ome simple trigonometry should be able to show you how far away the plane has to be in order for it to appear lower.  If you are in an airplane yourself the effect is even more noticeable.  

It isn't that simple to do trigonometry on an aircraft flying through the sky at over 30,000 feet and 600 kilometres per hour.

I was speaking more on a theoretical level.  Some things can be shown to happen with nothing more than a pen and paper.  Of course from me limited readings here thus far, the "Peekaboo Argument" is very much alive and well.  The argument being that if you can't see it, then it doesn't happen.

By the way, hello all.  Look forward to some interesting and maybe frustrating conversations in the future.

Please use the search function to look up "electromagnetic acceleration".  Some also believe it to be merely a natural perspective effect.

yea, seriously I am sick of seeing people post who haven't thoroughly browsed our extensive wisdom archives in the faq and forums.

I'm impossible to do.

Ha ha!
Is it that tiny?

Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 30, 2010, 10:15:34 PM

it also swells when hot air is above it.

No it doesn't.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/understanding/hurricane_katrina_impacts.shtml

Key Points

• Under the low pressure centre of a cyclone the sea surface bulges upwards.
• Wind speeds reached over 140 mph in southeast Louisiana.
• 1.7 million people lost electricity across the Gulf states due to Katrina.
• Katrina spawned tornadoes which caused damage in other states like Georgia

Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

Because ships tend to go over water and not land.. hence the lack of large quantities of ships that you see moving over land and disappearing on the horizon.. 

Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 27, 2010, 12:45:55 PM

I'm impossible to do.

Ha ha!
Is it that tiny?

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 30, 2010, 10:22:09 PM

Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 30, 2010, 10:15:34 PM

it also swells when hot air is above it.

No it doesn't.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/understanding/hurricane_katrina_impacts.shtml

Quote

Key Points

• Under the low pressure centre of a cyclone the sea surface bulges upwards.
• Wind speeds reached over 140 mph in southeast Louisiana.
• 1.7 million people lost electricity across the Gulf states due to Katrina.
• Katrina spawned tornadoes which caused damage in other states like Georgia

Temperature is not pressure. I'm still right.

Correct, it isn't, however you should know what effect cold and warm air masses respectively have on barometric pressure.

Correct, it isn't, however you should know what effect cold and warm air masses respectively have on barometric pressure.

Could you please enlighten us about these effects?

Correct, it isn't, however you should know what effect cold and warm air masses respectively have on barometric pressure.

Nothing. Barometric pressure is not directly indicative of temperature. It may have an influence in cloud cover which will block sunlight, and also an influence in windchill, but pressure is not directly related to ambient temperature.

besides if it was, Low pressure would equal low temp. You gave me a quote showing low pressure equalled high temp.

I'm still right.

besides if it was, Low pressure would equal low temp.

It would?

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 12:56:24 PM

besides if it was, Low pressure would equal low temp.

It would?

Yes. Low pressure = more clouds = less sunlight = less temp

Low pressure = [usually] closer isobars = more wind = wind chill = less temp

I'm sorry, is that the sound of me being right?

Quote from: Its a Sphere on March 31, 2010, 01:01:38 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 12:56:24 PM

besides if it was, Low pressure would equal low temp.

It would?

Yes. Low pressure = more clouds = less sunlight = less temp

Low pressure = [usually] closer isobars = more wind = wind chill = less temp

I'm sorry, is that the sound of me being right?

Why would a low density mass of air exert more pressure than a high density mass of air?

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 01:04:01 PM

Quote from: Its a Sphere on March 31, 2010, 01:01:38 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 12:56:24 PM

besides if it was, Low pressure would equal low temp.

It would?

Yes. Low pressure = more clouds = less sunlight = less temp

Low pressure = [usually] closer isobars = more wind = wind chill = less temp

I'm sorry, is that the sound of me being right?

Why would a low density mass of air exert more pressure than a high density mass of air?

I don;t know what the hell you're getting at. I literally just studied meteorology. Everything I just said is correct. Don't make me hear back-pedalling. It's fine to admit defeat sometimes.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on March 31, 2010, 01:10:51 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 01:04:01 PM

Quote from: Its a Sphere on March 31, 2010, 01:01:38 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 12:56:24 PM

besides if it was, Low pressure would equal low temp.

It would?

Yes. Low pressure = more clouds = less sunlight = less temp

Low pressure = [usually] closer isobars = more wind = wind chill = less temp

I'm sorry, is that the sound of me being right?

Why would a low density mass of air exert more pressure than a high density mass of air?

I don;t know what the hell you're getting at. I literally just studied meteorology. Everything I just said is correct. Don't make me hear back-pedalling. It's fine to admit defeat sometimes.

Cold air masses are more dense and would thus indicate a higher barometric pressure below this air mass.
Hot air masses are less dense and would thus indicate a lower barometric pressure below this air mass.

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 01:14:04 PM

Quote from: Its a Sphere on March 31, 2010, 01:10:51 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 01:04:01 PM

Quote from: Its a Sphere on March 31, 2010, 01:01:38 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 12:56:24 PM

besides if it was, Low pressure would equal low temp.

It would?

Yes. Low pressure = more clouds = less sunlight = less temp

Low pressure = [usually] closer isobars = more wind = wind chill = less temp

I'm sorry, is that the sound of me being right?

Why would a low density mass of air exert more pressure than a high density mass of air?

I don;t know what the hell you're getting at. I literally just studied meteorology. Everything I just said is correct. Don't make me hear back-pedalling. It's fine to admit defeat sometimes.

Cold air masses are more dense and would thus indicate a higher barometric pressure below this air mass.
Hot air masses are less dense and would thus indicate a lower barometric pressure below this air mass.

You're an idiot.

Temperature and pressure affect density, yes. But High pressure does not necessarily indicate high density. They are independent of each other. I'm not going go copy pasta the entire goddamn chapter on air density for you, because I cbf. Just stop being an idiot and understand air density before you post things that make you look like an idiot.

EDIT: see parsec's link and stop being stupid.

My original "I'm right" still stands.

I still can't believe you think cold air is the cause of high pressure. When's the last time an anticyclone passed over and felt significantly colder than a low-pressure system?

I don't know what else to tell you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/understanding/hurricane_cycle.shtml

As the warm sea heats the air above it, a current of very warm moist air rises up quickly, creating a centre of low pressure at the surface.

I don't know what else to tell you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/understanding/hurricane_cycle.shtml

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As the warm sea heats the air above it, a current of very warm moist air rises up quickly, creating a centre of low pressure at the surface.

Read the other link. The BBC one is simplified to make it accessible to the masses. High temperatures don't instantly create low pressure zones.

Can't you just take a hint? Do your own research. I don't have the patience to explain why you're a retard right now.

Quote from: Its a Sphere on March 31, 2010, 01:28:25 PM

I don't know what else to tell you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/understanding/hurricane_cycle.shtml

Quote

As the warm sea heats the air above it, a current of very warm moist air rises up quickly, creating a centre of low pressure at the surface.

Read the other link. The BBC one is simplified to make it accessible to the masses. High temperatures don't instantly create low pressure zones.

Can't you just take a hint? Do your own research. I don't have the patience to explain why you're a retard right now.

Sorry guys but he is right.  I've seen barometers read 29.92" of mercury on days when the tem is 15C and I've seen it read 29.92" when the temp is 35C.

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 01:33:03 PM

Quote from: Its a Sphere on March 31, 2010, 01:28:25 PM

I don't know what else to tell you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/understanding/hurricane_cycle.shtml

Quote

As the warm sea heats the air above it, a current of very warm moist air rises up quickly, creating a centre of low pressure at the surface.

Read the other link. The BBC one is simplified to make it accessible to the masses. High temperatures don't instantly create low pressure zones.

Can't you just take a hint? Do your own research. I don't have the patience to explain why you're a retard right now.

Sorry guys but he is right.  I've seen barometers read 29.92" of mercury on days when the tem is 15C and I've seen it read 29.92" when the temp is 35C.

Who's right? You need to give a name. I know he isn't but please elaborate.

btw, your numbers mean nothing by way of proof.

How did i miss this one? You are both right.

Ok let's simplify this. Atmospheric pressure is simply the force against a surface from the weight of air above it right? So a low pressure area has less weight (atmospheric mass) above it and vice versa for a high pressure area. So if warm air is rising, there is is less mass at the ground level, decreasing with increased elevation. That's what causes the pressure drop enabling low pressure at sea level (as described in the hurricane link).

How did i miss this one? You are both right.

Ok let's simplify this. Atmospheric pressure is simply the force against a surface from the weight of air above it right? So a low pressure area has less weight (atmospheric mass) above it and vice versa for a high pressure area. So if warm air is rising, there is is less mass at the ground level, decreasing with increased elevation. That's what causes the pressure drop enabling low pressure at sea level (as described in the hurricane link).

You still don't feel it. It's a packet of rising air forced up by any number of means, including the possibility of becoming unstable. Your ambient temperature doesn't increase in a low pressure zone.

Quote from: EarthISroundISproven on March 31, 2010, 09:21:14 PM

How did i miss this one? You are both right.

Ok let's simplify this. Atmospheric pressure is simply the force against a surface from the weight of air above it right? So a low pressure area has less weight (atmospheric mass) above it and vice versa for a high pressure area. So if warm air is rising, there is is less mass at the ground level, decreasing with increased elevation. That's what causes the pressure drop enabling low pressure at sea level (as described in the hurricane link).

You still don't feel it. It's a packet of rising air forced up by any number of means, including the possibility of becoming unstable. Your ambient temperature doesn't increase in a low pressure zone.

That's true as well. If one considers mean pressure and temperature vs altitude. As you go up through the layers of the atmosphere, pressure continues to decrease with altitude, and temperature does the same until you get to the stratosphere. So if anything temperature should decrease in a low pressure zone.

High temperatures don't instantly create low pressure zones.

Your ambient temperature doesn't increase in a low pressure zone.

Good thing I never claimed either of these.

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 31, 2010, 01:33:03 PM

High temperatures don't instantly create low pressure zones.

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Your ambient temperature doesn't increase in a low pressure zone.

Good thing I never claimed either of these.

I'm afraid you did.

I don't know what else to tell you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/understanding/hurricane_cycle.shtml

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As the warm sea heats the air above it, a current of very warm moist air rises up quickly, creating a centre of low pressure at the surface.