ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this

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ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« on: March 26, 2010, 10:47:03 PM »
when your at sea doing helm and look out, you see a ship coming over the horizon.  at first you see the mast, than you see the hull as it comes closer and rises above the horizon.   how does this happen if the earth is flat? 

i know this for a fact because i spent many many hours looking out at the sea while doing helm and look out.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2010, 10:50:12 PM »
i know this for a fact because i spent many many hours looking out at the sea while doing helm and look out.
This statement is sort of a logical fallacy, since there is no way for us to verify it independently.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 10:55:42 PM »
Please use the search function to look up "electromagnetic acceleration".  Some also believe it to be merely a natural perspective effect.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 11:14:05 PM »
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when your at sea doing helm and look out, you see a ship coming over the horizon.  at first you see the mast, than you see the hull as it comes closer and rises above the horizon.   how does this happen if the earth is flat?

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Ships+appear+to+sink+as+they+recede+past+the+horizon

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2010, 12:05:47 AM »
i know this for a fact because i spent many many hours looking out at the sea while doing helm and look out.
This statement is sort of a logical fallacy, since there is no way for us to verify it independently.


well go on a cruise line, get a good pair of binoculars.  go to the bow of the ship, if you watch the horizonlong enough you see the mast of a ship, as it comes over the horizon you'll see more of the ship.  the obvious reason for this is the curvature of the earth.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2010, 01:34:38 AM »
Please use the search function to look up "electromagnetic acceleration".  Some also believe it to be merely a natural perspective effect.

I personally ascribe to the perspective belief.
I don't remember anything. Well, I do, but it's really vague. Like I was on drugs the whole time.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2010, 09:10:07 AM »
Please use the search function to look up "electromagnetic acceleration".  Some also believe it to be merely a natural perspective effect.

Please use the search function to look at the posts where electromagnetic acceleration AKA Bent Light has been disproved.

Perspective effect is also tosh.
If the ultimate objective is to kill Skeleton, we should just do that next.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2010, 09:22:03 AM »
i know this for a fact because i spent many many hours looking out at the sea while doing helm and look out.
This statement is sort of a logical fallacy, since there is no way for us to verify it independently.


well go on a cruise line, get a good pair of binoculars.  go to the bow of the ship, if you watch the horizonlong enough you see the mast of a ship, as it comes over the horizon you'll see more of the ship.  the obvious reason for this is the curvature of the earth.
What's a good pair of binoculars?

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2010, 09:40:52 AM »
i know this for a fact because i spent many many hours looking out at the sea while doing helm and look out.
This statement is sort of a logical fallacy, since there is no way for us to verify it independently.


well go on a cruise line, get a good pair of binoculars.  go to the bow of the ship, if you watch the horizonlong enough you see the mast of a ship, as it comes over the horizon you'll see more of the ship.  the obvious reason for this is the curvature of the earth.
What's a good pair of binoculars?
if you don't know what binoculars are look them up on google.

another question.  why when you sail from the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere do you see different set of stars?  this would not happen if the world is flat.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2010, 09:41:23 AM »
Also try this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience

It will greatly help you understand the meaning in the other posted links.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2010, 12:19:10 PM »
i know this for a fact because i spent many many hours looking out at the sea while doing helm and look out.
This statement is sort of a logical fallacy, since there is no way for us to verify it independently.


well go on a cruise line, get a good pair of binoculars.  go to the bow of the ship, if you watch the horizonlong enough you see the mast of a ship, as it comes over the horizon you'll see more of the ship.  the obvious reason for this is the curvature of the earth.
What's a good pair of binoculars?
if you don't know what binoculars are look them up on google.
My question is what makes a certain pair to be considered a good one, not what binoculars are.

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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2010, 12:45:55 PM »
The more powerful the better and makes sure the lens are UV coated (ie filter out UV light).

There's a very easy way to disprove the FET magical bendy light/ perspective. Just get on the radio, get out a shipping map and talk to the ship over horizon for a position. When you sail, you know the distance you have sailed, so you know the distances between various ports. If the world were flat those distances every sailor knows so well, can't be correct. It's the simplest of proof and something proved every single days by the thousands of vessles that cross the oceans. And the most concrete evidence in that is the amount of fuel used. No bendy light or illusionary perpsective theories can argue with that. Fuel consumption is directly proportional to the actual distance and speed travelled. That's why FETs stuggle so hard to produce a working map. I'm impossible to do.

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2010, 12:54:16 PM »
The more powerful the better and makes sure the lens are UV coated (ie filter out UV light).
How do you measure the power of a binoculars?

There's a very easy way to disprove the FET magical bendy light/ perspective. Just get on the radio, get out a shipping map and talk to the ship over horizon for a position. When you sail, you know the distance you have sailed, so you know the distances between various ports. If the world were flat those distances every sailor knows so well, can't be correct. It's the simplest of proof and something proved every single days by the thousands of vessles that cross the oceans. And the most concrete evidence in that is the amount of fuel used. No bendy light or illusionary perpsective theories can argue with that. Fuel consumption is directly proportional to the actual distance and speed travelled. That's why FETs stuggle so hard to produce a working map. I'm impossible to do.
What frequency band is your radio working in?

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2010, 02:26:49 PM »

How do you measure the power of a binoculars?


aren't you some sort of scientist?  if you claiming the world is flat you probably should know stupid things like most binoculars tell you the specs.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2010, 03:07:08 PM »
What's a good pair of binoculars?

I've been asking Tom that very same question about telescopes that can restore the hull of a partially sunken ship without any luck.  Perhaps Tom can provide some of unique insight to binoculars as well.
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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2010, 09:24:47 PM »

How do you measure the power of a binoculars?


aren't you some sort of scientist?  if you claiming the world is flat you probably should know stupid things like most binoculars tell you the specs.

The important thing here is that you know stupid things. FET, on the other hand, is more concerned with knowing intelligent things, so you'll have to forgive us if we show a momentary lapse of "stupid knowledge." ;)
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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2010, 09:27:41 PM »

How do you measure the power of a binoculars?


aren't you some sort of scientist?  if you claiming the world is flat you probably should know stupid things like most binoculars tell you the specs.

The important thing here is that you know stupid things. FET, on the other hand, is more concerned with knowing intelligent things, so you'll have to forgive us if we show a momentary lapse of "stupid knowledge."  ;)

Since when is optics "stupid knowledge"?
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2010, 09:29:27 PM »

How do you measure the power of a binoculars?


aren't you some sort of scientist?  if you claiming the world is flat you probably should know stupid things like most binoculars tell you the specs.
so, effectively, you admit you do not know what you are talking about. Good to know. I won't take you seriously anymore.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2010, 05:40:23 AM »

How do you measure the power of a binoculars?


aren't you some sort of scientist?  if you claiming the world is flat you probably should know stupid things like most binoculars tell you the specs.
so, effectively, you admit you do not know what you are talking about. Good to know. I won't take you seriously anymore.


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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2010, 10:17:55 AM »
Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2010, 11:01:38 AM »
Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

sea is flat...  land varies in elevation

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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2010, 11:15:39 AM »
sea is flat...  land varies in elevation
So, I thought you argued that sea is curved???

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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2010, 12:30:30 PM »
sea is flat...  land varies in elevation
So, I thought you argued that sea is curved???

From time to time, we all have our moments of clarity before standard indoctrination sets in.  The sea is obviously flat; even RE'ers admit this in these little moments, before "scientific learning" obfuscates direct experience.

Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2010, 01:22:30 PM »

How do you measure the power of a binoculars?


aren't you some sort of scientist?  if you claiming the world is flat you probably should know stupid things like most binoculars tell you the specs.
so, effectively, you admit you do not know what you are talking about. Good to know. I won't take you seriously anymore.

surely you could come up with a less lazy and convenient method of dismissing someone?

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2010, 04:46:45 PM »
Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

sea is flat...  land varies in elevation

The sea is not flat, on any sort of large scale. Have you never heard of tides?
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2010, 07:19:28 PM »
Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

sea is flat...  land varies in elevation

The sea is not flat, on any sort of large scale. Have you never heard of tides?
I think it's fair to say that from a REer's perspective, 'flat' means 'as flat as can be in terms of a giant spherical object'

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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2010, 08:24:31 PM »
Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?

sea is flat...  land varies in elevation

The sea is not flat, on any sort of large scale. Have you never heard of tides?
I think it's fair to say that from a REer's perspective, 'flat' means 'as flat as can be in terms of a giant spherical object'

No, it's pancake shaped.
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2010, 08:32:06 PM »
No, it's pancake shaped.


I think it's fair to say that from a REer's perspective, 'flat' means 'as flat as can be in terms of a giant spherical object'

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Re: ok all you smart flat earthers.. answer me this
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2010, 09:47:04 PM »
Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?
It does.  Watch airplanes leaving a contrail.  As the airplane gets farther away from your position on the surface it appears to move closer to the horizon.  Granted some of this is due to perspective, though  ome simple trigonometry should be able to show you how far away the plane has to be in order for it to appear lower.  If you are in an airplane yourself the effect is even more noticeable. 

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« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2010, 09:49:21 PM »
Why does it only happen on the sea and not land?
It does.  Watch airplanes leaving a contrail.  As the airplane gets farther away from your position on the surface it appears to move closer to the horizon.  Granted some of this is due to perspective, though  ome simple trigonometry should be able to show you how far away the plane has to be in order for it to appear lower.  If you are in an airplane yourself the effect is even more noticeable.  
It isn't that simple to do trigonometry on an aircraft flying through the sky at over 30,000 feet and 600 kilometres per hour.