Circumnavigation?

Please explain circumnavigation.

Circumnavigation is possible on FE. Since the north pole is pointing toward the center of the Earth, you can easily circumnavigate if you follow your compass due east or west. Basically, you are traveling in a circle on the disc.

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Circumnavigation
The Flat Earth is laid out like a North-Azimuthal projection. The North Pole is at the center while Antarctica is at the rim. The continents are spread out around the North Pole.

Circumnavigation on an FE is achieved because on a compass East and West are always at right angles to North. Traveling Eastwards continuously takes you in a circle around the North Pole. East and West are curved.

As it happens, on an RE the "directions" of East and West are also curved. It's a myth that "East" and "West" are straight. For example; if a man is standing twenty feet from the point of Magnetic North on top of a Round Earth and decides to travel Eastwards continuously, his path will take him in a circle around the North Pole.
Traveling in a Straight Line
Q. Can't we just circumnavigate the earth by traveling in a straight line without a navigational aid?

A. It is not possible to travel in a perfectly straight line for very long without a navigational aid.

It's not even possible to drive down a long length of highway without turning the steering wheel left or right. Get in a car and see if you can drive down a long stretch of highway without turning the wheel left or right. It's a near impossible thing to do. And when it comes to planes, ships, helicopters, et all., no craft has the ability of traveling in a perfectly straight line without the operator adjusting the craft with regards to visual terrain, compass readings, or what have you.

When one navigates, hands on control is paramount. You wouldn't find a ship captain in New York pointing his vessel in the direction of London, turning on cruise control, and then taking a three week nap in the lower decks. Who knows where he'd end up.

Q. What about other types of navigational instruments?

A. Using a compass, gyrocompass, or looking at Polaris as a reference for Eastwards or Westwards travel will take the navigator in a broad circle around the North Pole.

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Q: "When traveling in a straight direction, you will always reach the same point on the globe from where you started. How can this happen if the world is flat?"

A: You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight." Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the center or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the center of the Earth. If you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle. Thus, circumnavigation is possible on FE.

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No, I refuse to explain it.

Circumnavigation is possible on FE. Since the north pole is pointing toward the center of the Earth, you can easily circumnavigate if you follow your compass due east or west. Basically, you are traveling in a circle on the disc.

That didn't answer his question at all.

Please explain circumnavigation.

When you navigate your way around the earth, you have circumnavigated it.

Did I win?

When you navigate your way around the earth, you have circumnavigated it.

I don't see how that statement contradicts with what I said. "Around" is usually defined as "in a circle". From my reference frame, I am following my compass due west or east. From the reference frame of an external observer, I am literally traveling on the FE in a circle ("around the world").

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 27, 2010, 10:40:00 PM

When you navigate your way around the earth, you have circumnavigated it.

I don't see how that statement contradicts with what I said. "Around" is usually defined as "in a circle". From my reference frame, I am following my compass due west or east. From the reference frame of an external observer, I am literally traveling on the FE in a circle ("around the world").

That is unless you're talking about north-south (pole to pole) circumnavigation.

I don't see how that statement contradicts with what I said. "Around" is usually defined as "in a circle". From my reference frame, I am following my compass due west or east. From the reference frame of an external observer, I am literally traveling on the FE in a circle ("around the world").

Wait. Quote mixed up. Now read.

That didn't answer his question at all.

I sure did. That is the definition of Flat Earth circumnavigation.

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 27, 2010, 10:40:00 PM

That didn't answer his question at all.

I sure did. That is the definition of Flat Earth circumnavigation.

He didn't ask for flat earth circumnavigation. He asked for circumnavigation. He didn't say he wanted to know how it works, or the mechanism behind a person believing they have gone around a sphere, he asked for circumnavigation.

If he wanted to know what circumnavigation is, he can easily google it instead of coming to a Flat Earth board out of all the other places on the internet and asking for its meaning. Since he asked what circumnavigation is on Flat Earth Q&A, I assumed that he wanted to know how circumnavigation works on FE.

If he wanted to know what circumnavigation is, he can easily google it instead of coming to a Flat Earth board out of all the other places on the internet and asking for its meaning. Since he asked what circumnavigation is on Flat Earth Q&A, I assumed that he wanted to know how circumnavigation works on FE.

You could be right, however he hasn't come back to find the answer for a while.

Sorry what i am asking is in reference to both models. How would you be maintaing the same direction(say east) if you travelled in a circle on a flat disk?If you travelled straight in one direction on flat earth you would come to the edge. This does not occur as people have circumnavigated the world.

Sorry what i am asking is in reference to both models. How would you be maintaing the same direction(say east) if you travelled in a circle on a flat disk?If you travelled straight in one direction on flat earth you would come to the edge. This does not occur as people have circumnavigated the world.

Let me ask you this -

Say the earth is round. When you circumnavigate it, how do you know you are travelling in a straight line?

Question is aimed at quoted poster, don't screw this up, I want HIM to answer so I can continue with another question.

Quote from: Overlord on March 28, 2010, 03:40:31 PM

Sorry what i am asking is in reference to both models. How would you be maintaing the same direction(say east) if you travelled in a circle on a flat disk?If you travelled straight in one direction on flat earth you would come to the edge. This does not occur as people have circumnavigated the world.

Let me ask you this -

Say the earth is round. When you circumnavigate it, how do you know you are travelling in a straight line?

Question is aimed at quoted poster, don't screw this up, I want HIM to answer so I can continue with another question.

LMAO, Do you have a flow diagram too?

Since the north pole is pointing toward the center of the Earth.

This statement should be treated as dubious until you can prove that the South pole is not the centre, with the North around the edge. I believe you'll find that impossible to do.

Quote from: Jack on March 26, 2010, 12:19:04 AM

Since the north pole is pointing toward the center of the Earth.

This statement should be treated as dubious until you can prove that the South pole is not the centre, with the North around the edge. I believe you'll find that impossible to do.

That's a good point. I see no proof of a North-central FE.

It's completely conventional. What we call North Pole is actually the center of the Earth.

It's completely conventional. What we call North Pole is actually the center of the Earth.

can you prove it? You still don't have a working map.

Quote from: parsec on March 28, 2010, 09:56:45 PM

It's completely conventional. What we call North Pole is actually the center of the Earth.

can you prove it? You still don't have a working map.

Yes I can. The star called Polaris, when observed from points on the surface of the Earth, is immobile on the night sky, which seems to be rotating. The only points that do not rotate are the points lying on the axis of rotation. The point from where Polaris is observable to be in the zenith is customary called the North Pole. This point must lie on the intersection of the axis of rotation of the night sky and the surface of the Earth - the center of the Earth.

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 28, 2010, 10:02:42 PM

Quote from: parsec on March 28, 2010, 09:56:45 PM

It's completely conventional. What we call North Pole is actually the center of the Earth.

can you prove it? You still don't have a working map.

Yes I can. The star called Polaris, when observed from points on the surface of the Earth, is immobile on the night sky, which seems to be rotating. The only points that do not rotate are the points lying on the axis of rotation. The point from where Polaris is observable to be in the zenith is customary called the North Pole. This point must lie on the intersection of the axis of rotation of the night sky and the surface of the Earth - the center of the Earth.

The same happens in the southern hemisphere. Look up southern cross navigation. The south pole must also be the centre of earth. That's weird, that must mean the earth is round, huh?

While the Southern Cross isn't exactly like Polaris, they do both point at the poles, something which cannot be done if one pole surrounds the Earth.

While the Southern Cross isn't exactly like Polaris, they do both point at the poles, something which cannot be done if one pole surrounds the Earth.

Yea, the southern cross doesn't actually point at the South celestial pole. That's why I said look it up. Although it is used to find the point that the southern stars rotate around. Your Northern proof is invalid. Try again.

In these types of thread why do people not concentrate more on the times it takes sailors to complete various stages of sailing competitions. Or is semantics more fun.

Yea, the southern cross doesn't actually point at the South celestial pole. That's why I said look it up. Although it is used to find the point that the southern stars rotate around. Your Northern proof is invalid. Try again.

Gee, thanks for enlightening us with your infinite wisdom and authority. Go bake a cake.

Yes I can. The star called Polaris, when observed from points on the surface of the Earth, is immobile on the night sky, which seems to be rotating. The only points that do not rotate are the points lying on the axis of rotation. The point from where Polaris is observable to be in the zenith is customary called the North Pole. This point must lie on the intersection of the axis of rotation of the night sky and the surface of the Earth - the center of the Earth.

How do you know that there aren't multiple northern celestial gears?  That seems to be the general explanation for the same phenomenon in the southern hemiplane.

Quote from: parsec on March 28, 2010, 10:10:32 PM

Yes I can. The star called Polaris, when observed from points on the surface of the Earth, is immobile on the night sky, which seems to be rotating. The only points that do not rotate are the points lying on the axis of rotation. The point from where Polaris is observable to be in the zenith is customary called the North Pole. This point must lie on the intersection of the axis of rotation of the night sky and the surface of the Earth - the center of the Earth.

How do you know that there aren't multiple northern celestial gears?  That seems to be the general explanation for the same phenomenon in the southern hemiplane.

Celestial gears have also been disproved.

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 29, 2010, 02:38:29 AM

Yea, the southern cross doesn't actually point at the South celestial pole. That's why I said look it up. Although it is used to find the point that the southern stars rotate around. Your Northern proof is invalid. Try again.

Gee, thanks for enlightening us with your infinite wisdom and authority. Go bake a cake.

So, you have no way of proving that the south pole isn't the centre and therefore decided to try to undermine me? Great, thanks. I'll remind myself of that next time I begin to care about replying to you while I know you're still wrong.

Quote from: parsec on March 29, 2010, 03:42:50 AM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 29, 2010, 02:38:29 AM

Yea, the southern cross doesn't actually point at the South celestial pole. That's why I said look it up. Although it is used to find the point that the southern stars rotate around. Your Northern proof is invalid. Try again.

Gee, thanks for enlightening us with your infinite wisdom and authority. Go bake a cake.

So, you have no way of proving that the south pole isn't the centre and therefore decided to try to undermine me? Great, thanks. I'll remind myself of that next time I begin to care about replying to you while I know you're still wrong.

You didn't explain why my proposed proof is invalid. Instead, you chose to be stubborn. What you think you know is irrelevant.

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 29, 2010, 12:51:25 PM

Quote from: parsec on March 29, 2010, 03:42:50 AM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 29, 2010, 02:38:29 AM

Yea, the southern cross doesn't actually point at the South celestial pole. That's why I said look it up. Although it is used to find the point that the southern stars rotate around. Your Northern proof is invalid. Try again.

Gee, thanks for enlightening us with your infinite wisdom and authority. Go bake a cake.

So, you have no way of proving that the south pole isn't the centre and therefore decided to try to undermine me? Great, thanks. I'll remind myself of that next time I begin to care about replying to you while I know you're still wrong.

You didn't explain why my proposed proof is invalid. Instead, you chose to be stubborn. What you think you know is irrelevant.

Why is it irrelevant? You didn't prove anything at all. There is a northern and a southern celestial pole. Just because you can observe ONE of them, doesn't mean it's the only one.

Quote from: parsec on March 29, 2010, 12:58:27 PM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 29, 2010, 12:51:25 PM

Quote from: parsec on March 29, 2010, 03:42:50 AM

Quote from: 2fst4u on March 29, 2010, 02:38:29 AM

Yea, the southern cross doesn't actually point at the South celestial pole. That's why I said look it up. Although it is used to find the point that the southern stars rotate around. Your Northern proof is invalid. Try again.

Gee, thanks for enlightening us with your infinite wisdom and authority. Go bake a cake.

So, you have no way of proving that the south pole isn't the centre and therefore decided to try to undermine me? Great, thanks. I'll remind myself of that next time I begin to care about replying to you while I know you're still wrong.

You didn't explain why my proposed proof is invalid. Instead, you chose to be stubborn. What you think you know is irrelevant.

Why is it irrelevant? You didn't prove anything at all. There is a northern and a southern celestial pole. Just because you can observe ONE of them, doesn't mean it's the only one.

How do you know there are two celestial poles?