Is the Earth spinning?

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Is the Earth spinning?
« on: August 08, 2006, 04:57:25 AM »
Flat Earthers, please tell me, does the Earth rotate at all?

If so, why can't I feel the centrifugal effect - I live very near the rim.

If not, why does a swinging pendulum rotate?

Regardless, why does a swinging pendulm rotate as it does?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault%27s_pendulum for details of the pendulum for those last two.

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2006, 04:59:48 AM »
I don't think the spin is fast enough for you to feel it.  And the pendulumn thing must be explained by some kind of "wobble"
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2006, 12:40:21 AM »
Try "wobbling" a pendulum. A wobble either speeds it up, slows it down or induces an additional oscillation in another direction (leading to the pedulum circling rather than swinging).

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2006, 01:26:39 AM »
no no, there could a very slow wobble of the disc, causing the movement of the pendulumn.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2006, 03:00:06 AM »
Quote from: "antipodean"
If so, why can't I feel the centrifugal effect - I live very near the rim.

Shouldn't you pose the same question to round-Earthers? If the Earth is round and rotates (at a fairly high speed, I might add), then why don't we feel the centrifugal effect?

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2006, 03:22:02 AM »
gravity is much stronger than the centrifugal effect.
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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2006, 03:52:56 AM »
Quote from: "Copernicus_was_wrong"
If the Earth is round and rotates (at a fairly high speed, I might add), then why don't we feel the centrifugal effect?


That would be because the centrifugal effect is drowned out by gravity. Note that in the flat earth model, the centrifugal effect is greatest in my part of the world, the south, and would act at 90 degrees to gravity.

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2006, 05:37:05 AM »
Quote from: "peter"
no no, there could a very slow wobble of the disc, causing the movement of the pendulumn.


I say again:
Try "wobbling" a pendulum. A wobble either speeds it up, slows it down or induces an additional oscillation in another direction (leading to the pedulum circling rather than swinging).

It doesn't matter how slow a wobble is, it will not cause a pendulum to swing in a different direction, it will cause it to swing faster or slower or in a somewhat circular manner.

Hmmm. I guess the pendulum also disproves the FE excuse for tides.

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2006, 05:40:52 AM »
The Earth does not rotate. Why would it?
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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2006, 05:45:59 AM »
The Earth is proven to rotate by the fact that pendulums and gyroscopes on the Earth rotate. See the experiment described in the first post of this topic.

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2006, 05:52:38 AM »
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The Earth does not rotate. Why would it?


It rotates once every 24 hours hence we get dawn/ daylight/dusk/night.
Not to difficult to come to terms with that is it?

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2006, 05:56:39 AM »
Thanks. An now an explanation in terms of the FE model?

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2006, 06:00:06 AM »
:idea: In the FE model it doesn't rotate otherwise at night we would all fall off!

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2006, 06:03:19 AM »
LOL!

(that's the funniest thing I've heard all evening - thanks)

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2006, 07:05:41 AM »
Quote from: "antipodean"
Thanks. An now an explanation in terms of the FE model?


As you should probably know by now, the FE model has a rotating Sun and Moon, not a rotating Earth.
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2006, 07:07:25 AM »
Then why is the molten iron (core?) underneath the surface spinning?

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2006, 07:10:32 AM »
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Then why is the molten iron (core?) underneath the surface spinning?


Why is the molten core in RE theory spinning?
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2006, 07:20:54 AM »
Quote from: \"Dogplatter\"
Quote from: \"The Brick\"
Then why is the molten iron (core?) underneath the surface spinning?


Why is the molten core in RE theory spinning?

RE is a working model, not a theory.

Also, the extra rotation apparently comes from a twisting force generated by the interaction between the magnetic fields of the inner and outer cores. The inner core, more than 3,000 miles below our feet and roasting at a temperature of about 7,000 degrees Fahrenheit, steadily releases its heat to the liquid outer core. This heat stimulates convective motion in the latter, causing molten iron to move like air over a radiator. Hot fluid moves upward, cools, then slips downward.

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2006, 12:00:40 PM »
FE also would qualify as a working model.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2006, 12:22:12 PM »
LOL no it doesn\'t. A working model means that you can simulate the basic workings of the universe (in this situation) and predict other phenomenon. Your theory is about 5% of a simple working model.

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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2006, 12:28:49 PM »
It can be used just was well as the RE model to descrive phenominon, in fact it is far superior in some ways.
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2006, 12:56:52 PM »
Describe? Maybe, imagination helps believing it.

But how about SIMULATE? I\'d like to see a simulated flat earth, with physics being dynamically computed and interactive, down to every molecule. This would ask for supercomputers that today aren\'t fast enough to render in realtime.

By simulating you can PREDICT other phenomenon to occur. Like with the RE model, you can simulate the moon spinning and orbiting the earth, the earth spinning and orbitting the sun. Then you can predict sunsets and nights, also the movement of the sun as seen from earths surface, also the horizon, and the moon.

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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2006, 01:20:54 PM »
and why has all this been simulated, people attached to the RE model, while disregarding the just-as acceptable FE model.  Millions of dollers were needed for the origional work, something the Flat Earth Society just does not have.  I'm confident that given the resources, someone could figure out the workings in the FE model too.
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« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2006, 01:38:55 PM »
So you want FE to be a fiction in which people, knowing that it isn\'t the thruth, while they continiously come up with new crap to explain stuff that is proven by RE.

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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2006, 01:42:31 PM »
Well I have a similar thing to you, RE keeps on making up theories to explain stuff that is easily explainable in the FE theory.
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2006, 01:51:08 PM »
I;d love to see a simulated round earth, down to the last molecule.

However, by the Principle of Uncertainty, we know either the speed or location of an object at any given time, not both.
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2006, 01:52:32 PM »
Get a globe!
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« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2006, 01:54:07 PM »
...Get a map?
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« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2006, 01:56:18 PM »
A globe accurately describes every atoms movement?

Holy fuck I thought those lines on a globe were there to help, I didn't know they were real!

I DIDN"T KNOW!!!

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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2006, 01:58:48 PM »
I'd settle for a "Google Flat Earth".
Preferably one that has the moon and sun included as you zoom out.
 will not eat them here or there, I will not eat them anywhere.